Seriously. How is it that Porn is legal, but prostitution is not? I don't get it.

[grahamhgreen]

I mean, are you not paying the actors to have sex?

And if not - if you claim you are just paying them to act - then as long as you videotape it and call them actors, can't you effectively get around all the prostitution laws by claiming you were making a movie?

[The Straight Story]

1. That is how I have been getting around the law

:)

[bobbolink]

4. .

:rofl:

[bobbolink]

2. Here's my guess. Because with porn, the "actors" get less than the filmmakers.

Prostitution is a woman making money on her own.

Yes, of course, there are pimps. But, traditionally, the woman was making her own money.

Shame on women for doing that! :sarcasm:

[grahamhgreen]

9. I think you are right. Did you know that they made prostitution legal in hawaii for the soldiers

during WWII, BUT, the woman could not buy land or have a bank account? WTF!

[goldcanyonaz]

3. Sorta like High Times magazine. It's legal to read about it but not smoke it.

[Jamastiene]

10. It's also legal to buy head shop paraphenalia, but not use it.

I have always found that little factoid fascinating.

[Sparkly]

15. In this case, you can use it but not buy it.

So to speak.

[Telly Savalas]

35. You mean people don't use one-hitters for just tobacco?

I'm not buying it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. Not always.

[Nostradammit]

59. Thanks for this important reminder, "Fire_Medic_Dave"

:sarcasm:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

68. No problem.

[Sparkly]

11. Except that

consenting adults can have sex however they want, with as many other consenting adults as they want; the issue is that if anybody leaves a dime on the dresser when they leave, it's illegal.

[bobbolink]

13. Ewwww... the ads would leave a horrible aftertaste.

:hi:

[AVID]

16. I read my Hightimes at the "Soft Touch" massage parlor once a month.

[goldcanyonaz]

21. *cough* slut *cough*

[Ozymanithrax]

5. Porn falls under freedom of speech.

Prostitution is basic capitalism, which is not proected under the Constitution.

[imdjh]

6. Because porn is First Amendment and prostitution is commerce.

I'm for legalizing houses of prostitution, but not street level prostitution.

[Jamastiene]

14. Doing it in the comfort of a house with a bed, preferably,

is much better than on the streets. :P

[imdjh]

17. That's about where they do it, too.

[niceypoo]

58. Legalize it all

It takes the pimps out of the equation when you legalize street prostitution

[MagnaChucka]

62. Actually, regarding pimps,

I am currently reading the book SUPERFREAKONOMICS, written by the guys who wrote FREAKONOMICS, and they have a whole chapter about the incentives of prostitutions. It turns out it is actually better for prostitutes to work under a pimp. The pimp provides all sorts of valuable services, such as lessening the chance of violent encounters, seeking out a better class of clientelle, and even though the pimps take a cut of the money, prostitutes working under pimps average making more money. Pretty interesting reading.

[niceypoo]

71. I believe the pimp takes ALL the money

...for himself.

[Hissyspit]

74. Those guys are idiots:

http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/11/04/prostitution-rocks-superfreakonomics-on-the-oldest-profession-in-the-world

[Liberal In Texas]

75. Sort of like agents and investment bankers. n/t

[imdjh]

67. You're free to try. I will oppose.

Street prostitution is deleterious to a community. It encourages, generates, attracts, or is part of a host of street behaviors which are harmful to the community.

[Jamastiene]

7. BRAVO!!! EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!

Why didn't I think of that?

"if you claim you are just paying them to act - then as long as you videotape it and call them actors, can't you effectively get around all the prostitution laws by claiming you were making a movie?"


I LOOOVEEEE the way you think!
:evilgrin:

[snagglepuss]

8. Is it just a coincidence you are asking this on a Friday evening?

:evilgrin:

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[imdjh]

20. Not with other men.

[seabeyond]

28. so all women are whores? nt

[girl gone mad]

47. Bullshit.

I've known so many women over the years who financially supported their deadbeat husbands or boyfriends. Almost all of the strippers I worked with had boyfriends who were mooches. They were usually hot and artistic, but mooches, nonetheless.

[seabeyond]

49. btw, i told my almost 17 yr old niece last week, always split the bill or pay for drinks, movie

because firstly the guy is working too, and has to pay bills. only fair.

but

the guy thinks he is "owed" something if he pays. so pay, and not be beholden....

i will let her know that SOME guys actually think it is the female being a prostitute if she does end up having sex. good for her to learn how men really feel

[girl gone mad]

56. Good advice.

It's crazy that men would still think this way in 2009.

I used to pay a lot on dates when I was in college, because I was financially secure and my dates were usually starving students. It just seemed like the right thing to do. I had no expectations about it. It's dumb to expect sex from someone exchange for a meal or movie ticket. And why would a man like thinking that a girl is only fucking him because he bought her dinner? How bad does your self-esteem have to be that you would get off on that kind of thing?

[grahamhgreen]

23. you HAD to go there!

[Shell Beau]

18. I have never understood how prostitution is illegal.

If someone wants to pay me for a service I perform.... But, I am weird with prostitution. The logical side of me says it should be legal, but it doesn't totally hurt my feelings that it is not. But porn is prostitution, so it is totally fucked up.

[Jamastiene]

24. Men sure get paid for their services.

If they fix the plumbing, the cars, and/or wiring, they can charge by the hour. We should be able to charge by the hour too.

[Shell Beau]

26. But men don't legally get paid for prostituting either.

I don't see how prostitution is illegal. I really don't. Logically it makes no sense to me, but I guess for me morally, I don't like it. So, while I can't understand why it is illegal, it doesn't make me too upset.

[goldcanyonaz]

37. My husband can't fix shit, perhaps I could barter a lil' lovin for some plumbing work?

[JonQ]

19. It's always struck me as one of those things, like pot, that

everyone should be able to get behind legalization even without supporting the habit itself per se. I mean, just think of the tax money we could raise and save by legalizing both those things, no one outside those involved are "harmed" by any definition of the word. We could cut taxes and still take care of the deficit. It's insane not to.

But I guess there's an entrenched notion that legalizing it would bring about the end of the world somehow.

[NYC_SKP]

22. Religions abhor what might reduce the numbers of babies, increasing the fold, ya know...

Not all religions, of course...

"Go forth and multiply."

"Abortion is murder"

"Masturbation is a waste of seed"

Etc, etc, all designed to out-populate competing religions, IMO.

Prostitution would, in theory, reduce the number of new members born into the "family".

[anonymous171]

54. Or maybe because it disrupts domestic harmony? nt

[NYC_SKP]

55. Well, not everyone is married, or even engaged or dating, or going steady!!!

But your point is well taken.

Fidelity and monogamy have other benefits.

:toast:

[notesdev]

25. Prostitution is totally legal

You just have to do it the way Tiger's wife is doing it.

[seabeyond]

27. so tigers wife is a whore? nt

[notesdev]

29. Based on the bargaining going on

it sure looks like it. $50 mil to stay his wife for a couple of years, how is that different from prostitution?

[Shell Beau]

32. How do you know exactly what is going on in their personal life?

You don't, and how nasty is it to basically call the wife who was cheated on a prostitute? She got fucked over and so now she's the prostitute. WTF?

[seabeyond]

33. it is all about where they can stick their dick. fuck the whores. all of them. oh wait... that is

all female.

and this is our progressive males at their finest

[notesdev]

34. Uh, it's reported in the Post? n/t

I don't even want to see this shit and can't get away from it if I read a newspaper. What planet are you living on?

[Shell Beau]

38. ohhhhhh ok

:eyes:

[galileoreloaded]

39. sounds to me like they are arguing over the price?!?!?!

[seabeyond]

41. so you are calling her a whore too. nt

[girl gone mad]

50. Fall in love, get married and have children with some moron..

who sticks his dick in any brainless Vegas party girl who looks his way?

What woman doesn't want the father of her kids to be that reckless and shallow?

[Lorien]

70. I think her point was about the gold diggers who go after men of means

married or not. I've known beautiful men who search out "sugar mamas" as well. There's an exchange of goods and services, but we just don't call it prostitution.

[stopbush]

30. Because porn stars are in love, but prostitutes and their Johns aren't?

At least that's what I heard...

[glen123098]

31. Because the government thinks it knows better than me about where I can stick my penis.

[yodoobo]

40. It was the result of a court case that production of porn is legal.

I wish I had the details hand.

At one time production of porn was criminalized under anti-prostitution laws.

From my recollection, there was a prosecution, conviction and appeal. The appeal was successfull and the conviction was thrown out on 1st amendment principles setting the precedent of making porn legal to produce.

[JustinL]

63. looks like this is the one: California v Freeman (1988)

California v. Freeman was the criminal prosecution of Harold Freeman, a producer and director of pornographic films, by the U.S. state of California. Freeman was arrested in 1987 for hiring adult actors, which the prosecution interpreted as pimping, as part of an attempt by California to shut down the pornographic film industry. The prosecution's interpretation was ultimately rejected on appeal by the California Supreme Court. Prior to this decision, pornographic movies had often been shot in secret locations.

Freeman was initially convicted, and lost on appeal to the California Court of Appeal. The trial judge, however, thought jail would be an unreasonably harsh penalty for Freeman's conduct, and sentenced him to probation, despite the fact that this was explicitly contrary to the statute. The State appealed this sentence but lost.

Freeman appealed to the California Supreme Court, which subsequently overturned his conviction, finding that the California pandering statute was not intended to cover the hiring of actors who would be engaging in sexually explicit but non-obscene performances. Freeman could only have been lawfully convicted of pandering if he had paid the actors for the purpose of sexually gratifying himself or the actors. The court relied upon the language of the statute for this interpretation, as well as the need to avoid a conflict with the First Amendment right to free speech. The court viewed Freeman's conviction as "a somewhat transparent attempt at an 'end run' around the First Amendment and the state obscenity laws."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Freeman

[11 Bravo]

42. You can look, but you can't touch.

[RedCloud]

43. How can prostitution be the world's oldest profession?

If Ug the caveman had no money to pay?

[Thothmes]

64. How about payment in the form of a wooly mammoth steak.

[Xithras]

73. That's funny, but there's probably a lot of truth to the notion.

In the days before coin, everyone lived by barter. If you had nothing to barter but your body, and you knew no valuable skills that others would barter for, sex was always an option. Even Ug could down a rabbit for a hungry woman.

[upi402]

44. Jesusland, love it or leave it...

Seems so tired and Victorian to me. Some folks rant that it's immoral. Others argue that it exploits women. I think it may be the other way around, but adults are free to vote Republican, so why the hell not be free to pay for a natural human drive?

The more a society represses natural drives, the sicker it becomes.

[laughingliberal]

45. Prostitution is legal in several counties in my state. And the world has not ended nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. We need a "Late Night Stoned Dormroom Conversation" forum for this one

What's next? In-depth discussion of Stairway to Heaven?

[1]

48. who pays for porn?

[Arkana]

51. If you took all the porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left.

It would be http://www.bringbacktheporn.com.

[LostInAnomie]

52. For a lot of reasons.

Porn is pretty highly regulated. The people that do it legally follow pretty strict guidelines. They can only film in certain areas that expressly permit it. The actors are all over the age of 18. They are all tested for STDs. The actor isn't the one paying the actress, or vice versa. And, numerous other regulations that I won't get into.

The act might be close to the same, but there is a world of legal difference.

[Crabby Appleton]

53. How is it that it's legal to have sex for free, but not for a fee?

[Froward69]

57. Prostitution is called the

Oldest profession.
then
Farming
then Inn keeping. (So the farmers and prostitutes have a place to go) ;)

also the latest I heard was a theory as to how we evolved into walking upright. man could carry more food to the Women to trade for sex... and thus we evolved walking upright.

trading money for sex is not as immoral if it is legal, than if it is not.

[bamacrat]

60. Maybe its art? I've often wondered that myself.

Also not to beat a dead horse but how are tobacco and alcohol legal but weed isn't? I mean tobacco and alcohol can kill you and are addictive, both affect your consciousness in some way or another. Alcohol can make you so drunk you black out not remembering anything that happened the night before. Yet weed just makes you relaxed, happy and hungry with no death.

[Recovered Repug]

61. Maybe this will help

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html

[blogslut]

65. There have been cases

Because of California v Freeman it's legal to film porn in the state of California, in a certain county. As far as I know, while prostitution/pandering cases have been brought against pornographers outside of California, those charges were dropped for guilty pleas on other charges and/or fines paid.

[ecstatic]

66. Better question: How is it that sex with strangers is legal,

but prostitution is not? :shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. neither do i.

[readmoreoften]

72. Because it isn't illegal to pay people you're directing in a sex scene. If it was Hollywood'd be in

trouble.

It is NOT illegal to film someone kissing and fondling a topless actress (a la racy Hollywood films) and pay them.
It IS illegal to pay to kiss and fondle a topless woman.

Is this logical? Meh.

[W_HAMILTON]

76. You sure about that?

A lot of porn sites have essentially become prostitution sites, with people paying to do things to under people under the guise of pornography.

I always wondered how this worked.