Obama did NOT lie about the Taliban's Refusal to turn Over OBL

[berni_mccoy]

The Taliban waited until the last minute and then offered to turn over OBL as long as the US provided a clear-cut case on OBL's involvement. The bombing campaign had already started.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Quote:

If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.

OBL confessed several years later to the attacks.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html

Please stop spreading your own lies and misinformation to make yourself feel better about the opposition to Obama's policy.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Really? Someone unrecommended the facts?

:eyes:

NGU.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

9. Amazing, huh?

[Nikki Stone1]

18. Can I tell you why I hate the unrec feature again?

WIthout getting a moderator notice?

[rucky]

2. So we didn't have sufficient evidence when we started bombing?

That's what I get when I put your 2+2 together. :shrug:

[leftstreet]

3. LOL

:thumbsup:

[ClassWarrior]

5. Yes, because Bush/Cheney** always made sure he had copious evidence before he started...

...bombing the shit out of anyone.

:eyes:

NGU.

[Pavulon]

8. We had plenty. Some in public, some signal intercept

to know those guys were responsible. We have other intelligence tracing who pays for their jihad. Rather than killing illiterate meatpuppets willing to die for a god that does not exist we should be killing the people funding and supporting their supply. In any country.

[rollingrock]

14. Oh really?

if there's so much evidence, then where's the indictment of OBL for 9/11?

oh, that's right. there is no indictment.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

16. Why would there be an indictment if we're clearly not pursuing this through the courts?

[rollingrock]

20. No courts?

then why is Holder trying the 9/11 suspects, including Kalid Shiek Mohammad, in the US courts?

[Pavulon]

23. Now you get it..

same for his buddies that pay for this war. Military targets. Two methods.. Both are basically a calling card. Desert in yemen or bathroom in geneva dead is dead.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

27. It's an inconsistency in our current foreign policy. One I tend to disagree with.

However, that doesn't change the fact that we're not ramping up to try bin Laden before a civilian court.

[Pavulon]

19. You dont indict military targets. You kill them

he did not have a wittle dwi crash or steal some shit from walmart. So now he is a dead man when found. Same for his buddies. We splattered a few across the desert in yemen a while back. I would bet others are dying un natural deaths as well.

If he turns himself in he could get a trial, if we have to find him, i bet on a body.

[rollingrock]

22. Huh? So we execute people now with no trial?

no evidence of guilt?

the US has become just like the Taliban.

[Pavulon]

24. You fucked up the tense..He HAVE been doing that for decades

and some problems really do get solved by killing the right people. When pretty please does not work..

Like I said go steal from walmart if you want a trial. If you are in yemen planning to blow up stuff you dont get that option.

[rollingrock]

25. That's Bush and Taliban style justice

congrats. you are in good company.

[Pavulon]

28. Crack a book friend. US / British clandestine operations

go way back before this. We have killed people far more important than OBL. The president of south vietnam comes to mind.

Like I said , anyone who paid for or logistically supported 9.11 should be looking over their shoulder waiting for the pin to drop.

[berni_mccoy]

30. There are some truly naive people on this board.

[Traveling_Home]

4. Don't U think it would be a good idea to ask them again;

to put the Taliban on the spot again and demand they turn over OBL to the US? Do that and we're gone?

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

10. While that would solve one major issue, it wouldn't solve others.

For instance, the instability in Pakistan or the issue of what would happen to our allies in Afghanistan if we were to withdraw.

[EFerrari]

12. He's not in Afghanistan and he hasn't been for years since Tora Bora.

[ipaint]

6. One of the many convenient "confessions".

"It was the first footage of bin Laden to appear in more than a year and came just days before voters head to the polls Tuesday after an extremely tight president race."

:crazy:

[stray cat]

7. DU isn't the place to go for facts - its an echo chamber much like Free Republic

[EFerrari]

11. What a bunch of doodoo.

And I feel fine about my opposition to this escalation, thanks.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

13. I notice you're not responding to the facts presented in the OP

[ClassWarrior]

15. So do I, E...

:hi:

Which is why we don't need lies and misinformation to justify it.

NGU.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

17. The OP was a lie?

[ClassWarrior]

21. Did you bother to read the OP?

The last line says, "Please stop spreading your own lies and misinformation to make yourself feel better about the opposition to Obama's policy." Which is what E was referencing.

Pay attention.

NGU.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

29. Ah, you're focused on a side issue. Gotcha.

Well, when you decide to start focusing on the meat and potatoes of this thread, get in touch.

[ClassWarrior]

Really? You agreed with my "focus on the meat and potatoes" upthread in post #9...

...but you think I'm focusing on a side issue by agreeing with the OP here? Really?

:eyes:

NGU.

[berni_mccoy]

26. It appears the mods deleted the BS thread that was going about this.

[EFerrari]

31. It's not civil or useful to throw insults at Obama.

But at very best, his statement about the Taliban was misleading and his speech writer should have found a better way to communicate why the escalation was important to the United States.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

34. It's a simplified version of what occured, though I assume that's what they were going for.

[EFerrari]

32. I must have missed the offending thread. Good.

RAWA is against the escalation, too. We're in good company. :hi:

[snagglepuss]

33. .

[RC]

35. Don't forget the Republicans met with the Taliban in Texas shortly before bu$h2

was selected. They refused the offer and so we went to war on another pretext.

December 4, 1997: Taliban Representatives Visit Unocal in Texas
Representatives of the Taliban are invited guests to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their support for the pipeline. Future President George W. Bush is Governor of Texas at the time.
The Taliban appear to agree to a $ 2 bn pipeline deal, but will do the deal only if the US officially recognizes the Taliban regime. The Taliban meet with US officials. According to the Daily Telegraph, "the US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban's policies against women and children 'despicable,' appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract."

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntn81969.htm

[berni_mccoy]

36. K for truth.