Do you think promoting the Bible has gone too far? Tim Tebow of FL is promoting it.

[Hawkeye-X]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/05/john-16-33-tim-tebows-eye_n_381435.html

John 16:33

I don't follow the New Testament.

Hawkeye-X

[madinmaryland]

1. People are allowed free speech in this country. I have the right to ignore

that speech.

[msongs]

2. outta control ego and self importance aka the new messiah's best friend lol nt

[Kerrytravelers]

3. I think he looks silly.

He can do whatever he wants, and I can just shake my head and think "... and his point is???"

[Kutjara]

4. I don't see what's wrong with it.

He wants to remember he's meeting someone named John at shortly after half past four. Perhaps people think he should have written it backward so he can read it in the mirror? :shrug:

[Kerrytravelers]

6. bwwaahhhhh... snort.... bbbwwwaaaahhhhh... *high five*

Good one! :rofl:

[blueamy66]

64. Sweet.

You funny!

[StClone]

150. Allah at 3:15

[madokie]

63. got his and his gods ass whopped last night

and I loved every minute of it, even the cry at the end.

[blueamy66]

72. Reminds me of my Dad, who was a bit bigoted, but a good

Catholic nonetheless...... :-) ... whenever BYU would lose...."Where's your God now?"?, my Dad would yell.

I still smile when I think of that.

I'm babbling....

[Ikonoklast]

99. What did he do when Notre Dame got shellacked?

God is a soccer player, anyway.

[blueamy66]

102. Um, I don't remember.

I just remember the anti-Mormon rants. :-)

[blondeatlast]

127. Nope, she's a rugger fan. nt

[malaise]

104. Best joke I heard was that some reporter

who had a man crush on him saw Tebow's image on a slice of bread.
I was ROFL - he sickens me, but the reporters are worse. Looks like gawd deserted them last night. I know my favorite nephew was devastated on his birthday but I'm glad UF lost.

[thelordofhell]

69. I bet the Telex people are happy for the free advertising

How much did Christianity pay for their ad?

[Kerrytravelers]

95. An everlasting afterlife?

;)

[csziggy]

5. Give him points for getting it right way round

He could have put that verse reference on his face backwards! :evilgrin:

[Ian David]

7. He still thinks 16:33 is his boyfriend, John's, real phone number. How cute. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

8. We were gagging over Tebow a while ago.

We're for Alabama in this one.

[tularetom]

9. I read an article about Mr Tebow in the Drs. waiting room last week

It was from a 6 month old Sports Illustrated and it dealt almost entirely with his "faith" and his work in the the faith based Fla prison system. By the time I finished the article I was convinced that I never wanted to hear or read anything about him ever again. In fact if he was to be raptured up to be with Jeebus tomorrow I don't think I'd give a fuck.

He impressed me as a shallow arrogant prick, ready to bombard everybody he meets with all of his Jeebus bullshit. And he comes by his assholism genetically. His father is a big time bible thumper evangelist who was working amongst the little brown people in the Philipines when little Timmy was sent to him from Gawd,

He can believe whatever the fuck he wants. I don't want to know about it.

Oh well it'll just be that much funnier when he getss caught with a hooker. Or soliciting a plainclothes cop in a park restroom.

[ipaint]

10. The circumcisions did it for me.

"During spring break, Tebow added a new facet to his fame. In an impoverished village outside General Santos City in the Philippines, Tebow helped circumcise impoverished children."

Apparently it was on the job training at that.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-05-05/sports/tebow05_1_tim-tebow-philippines-general-santos-city

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

41. From a public health standpoint that was a good thing.

[ipaint]

57. That may be but brainwashing desperately poor people before

they get much needed medical care is not.

"Families lined up for hours waiting for the mobile-care units, and the people took numbers, like customers at a deli, to designate who would be seen first.

"It was a pretty amazing sight," Young said. "People wanted to get care so much they were fighting to get on the bus. They all thought their number should be next."

The locals started by hearing a brief Christian sermon from one of the Tebows and then moved to a brief medical exam from a Filipino doctor. The patients had their blood pressure taken, heart beat checked, and any available medical history reviewed."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-05-05/sports/tebow05_1_tim-tebow-philippines-general-santos-city


Captive audience.

"The Philippines, a country comprised of over 7,100 islands, has historically been an area of abuse and conquest. Of the 86 million Filipinos, we estimate that over 65 million have never once heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Currently, there are 41,949 barangays (villages), and 26,675 (64%) of them have no evangelical church of any kind. In recent years, there has been a tremendous movement of the Holy Spirit in the Philippines, resulting in an unusual spiritual responsiveness, and many Filipinos would believe in Jesus if they were just given the opportunity.

Jesus tells us in John 4:35b, “Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest!” For over 23 years, BTEA has focused on the incredible harvest of souls that are being reaped within the Philippines; but like any harvest, it is certain to be ripe only for a season. The rapid growth of materialism threatens the future responsiveness to the Gospel. If we do not act now, while the Spirit is moving, this great harvest of souls could be lost forever. We feel an intense sense of urgency to get the Gospel to every individual in the Philippines before this great door of opportunity closes.

Our PLAN is to preach the Gospel in every village in the Philippines in the next few years. The task is great, but God specializes and delights in doing the impossible! We intend to increase our staff of national evangelists to 60. By dividing the country into theaters of operation, with each evangelist assigned to a specific area, and working extremely hard, we intend to preach the Gospel in every village. The plan includes providing theological training and guidance to help national pastors to conduct the best possible follow-up.

http://www.btea.org/theplan.asp

Sleazy.

I read the marines offer medical care and circumcisions. They fortunately don't require folks to listen to some baloney sermon about god saving them. There is something so despicable about coercing poor people into listening to a fundy sermon as a prerequisite to medical care.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62338

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

61. You have some evidence of mass brainwashing?

[ipaint]

65. Centuries of it. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

66. So nothing. Thanks.

[Kerrytravelers]

86. Should medical care only be offerend if one believes in the religious preference

of those delivering the medical care? That is what this organization is essentially doing. They don't force people to convert, but the pressure is very clear. If this group provided medical care, and then offered to share their religious beliefs to those interested, I'd have no problem.

My dad was in the military. He and my mother were stationed in the Philippines for approximately five years. My parents did all kinds of volunteer work, on their own time, out of military uniform, for local people who were poor. And although my parents are religious, they never required anyone to hear a sermon prior to helping them. Sometimes people would ask if they were Christians, and they would say yes. But they never required people to go to church to receive assistance.

I take it from your username that you are a medic. I'm sure you don't require people to listen to a sermon prior to receiving medical treatment.

For me, personally, this has always been my issue with missionaries. If you want to show people God's love, show it to them by the way you treat them. Your living example speaks more than forced church attendance any day.

[ipaint]

90. The people of the Philippines have been

battered by fundy christian cultists for over 100 years. It's all about power and control. Using the poor as pawns in their global war for god.

[Kerrytravelers]

92. When my parents did any volunteer work, it wasn't with a church.

They would gather clothing and take it to the poor themselves. They would take the old beat up pieces of scrap metal to the people and help them build homes. This wasn't a church organized event, but just something my dad, a few buddies and their wives would do on and off.

And the people made them thank-you gifts, which my parents still have to this day.

When I said people would ask them if they were Christian, it wasn't because they were quoting scripture while helping out, it was just a question that they answered, and then moved on with the task at hand.

[ipaint]

94. I'm agreeing with you, sorry for not being clearer.

Your parents are not the type of people I an referring to. The type of religious cultists that would map out an entire country for religious conquest and hold out the offer of medical care for a price as a tool to that end are the people I am referring to.

[Kerrytravelers]

96. Oh, no, I didn't misunderstand you. No worries. I just wanted to be clear to anyone reading.

And I totally get you on the mapping out and conquering plan. I share your feelings on this. I find it so disrespectful when people use religion and faith as a carrot to receive basic human needs, and feel it is their right to force their religion and their faith on others, with complete disregard for the faith and culture of others. Doing good works is one thing, manipulation is another.

[dgibby]

121. That's why, among other reasons,

the Salvation Army will never get a dime of my money. That little stunt they pulled in Texas was appalling. I'd already stopped donating due to their stance on GLBT, but this anti-immigration stunt, using children as pawns was the last straw. Don't those idiots know it's illegal for anyone to require peole to use SS#s as identification?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

107. So you think they denied medical care to those who believe differently? Any proof of that.

[Kerrytravelers]

109. I never said they denied medical care.

You said above that from a public health care pov, they are doing a good thing. And yes, they are. My issue is with the sermon that must accompany the health care. If they would like to offer church service to interested people after the care is provided, fine. But before hand seems manipulative to desperate people in need of medical services.

FMD, a conversation could be interesting, but I must request that you not insert words into my post that weren't there. I didn't say anyone was denied health care, nor did I imply that to be the case. If you felt that I may be implying such a thing, just ask me if this is what I meant and I will happily clear up my thoughts/wording/opinions. I need not prove what I did not say. It would make for a much more interesting conversation if we were to hear your personal thoughts on this missionary group in the Philippines rather than just implying what I did not write.

[Zomby Woof]

138. 80% of Filipinos are Catholic

So the Tebows are basically the kind of evangelicals who do not consider Catholicism to be Christianity. This stripe of evangelical is not uncommon in America.

I am an atheist, but fully recognize that Catholics ARE Christians.

[AndrewP]

147. Very sleazy. Typical religious folk.

[madokie]

67. I was probably too old when I was

you know, cut on, cause I still remember it well. My older brother skated by because they thought he was too old. but not me I was caught and deflowered. thats a fact

[mitchum]

125. Did he get to keep the tips?

I'll be here all week

[Ignis]

129. We have no :golfclap: or :rimshot: emote, so ...

Best I can give you is this: :thumbsup:

[LisaM]

11. He is otherwise wearing the uniform of a PUBLIC school university

Michigan had a kicker once who wore a wrist band that said "Jesus" on it. I say once, because many people complained to the AD (my sister among them) and it did not occur again.

That guy offends me in every way possible, or nearly every way possible and I hope they lose today.

[Toasterlad]

75. Nobody Hates Religious Bullshit More Than Me, But the Jackass Has a Right To Wear What He Wants.

The school is not endorsing Jeebus. If they were, then ALL the players would be wearing scriptured eye black, at the insistence of the school. Tim Tebow is a singular, self-deluded moron who is perfectly free to express his refuting of rational thought all he wants.

Besides, when he cries after losing, as he did yesterday, it runs like mascara in the most hilarious way.

[LisaM]

122. Because it's a uniform

sorry, that's the whole point. Even when I was 7 and was a Brownie, I understood that when you wore a uniform, you didn't embellish it with non-Brownie things. Of course, not having gone to public school till now, Tebow no doubt lacks understanding of these things.

[Toasterlad]

123. I Wouldn't Classify Eye Black As Part of the Uniform.

It's not mandatory to wear it. It's like if you were in your Brownie uniform and wore a charm bracelet. The bracelet's not part of your uniform just because you're wearing it WITH the uniform.

More importantly, Tebow didn't originate the idea of using eye black for personal statements. Other players, pro and college, have had things printed in their eye black, both religious and secular. Given this precendent, it would be unfair to single out Tebow and tell him he can't wear his silly numbers under his eyes.

[LisaM]

128. No, he shouldn't be singled out

I also thought it was ridiculous when Terrelle Pryor used his to honor Michael Vick and I don't think it should have been allowed.

[DinahMoeHum]

12. Well, the whole of Matthew, Chapter 6 says it all. . .

Jesus did say that one really should not go around parading his/her piety before others.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206&version=NASB

[The Straight Story]

13. For shame - he should be promoting porn or something instead

:)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

43. He should be about raping coeds and driving drunk. That's what we like in our athletes.

[JNelson6563]

88. Is that the only alternative?

Either over-the-top religious or raping and drunk driving?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

108. Who said it was?

[JNelson6563]

110. No one said it, I ask because the way you put it

suggested maybe it was. Thought I'd ask so you could clarify.

Thanks,
Julie

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

114. Suggesting AN alternative doesn't imply it's the ONLY alternative. Glad we cleared that up.

:toast:

[JNelson6563]

117. Cool. Peace.

:toast:

[Toasterlad]

84. Yes, Christianity Is Such a Good Thing And Has Brought So Much Good To the World.

Porn would be a definite step up.

[spanone]

14. i don't think it should be part of college football

[pipi_k]

18. Me neither, and there's one thing I think he should know...

if he does end up being drafted into the NFL, I don't think his teammates are going to be as accepting of whatever Jesusmongering he'll probably want to do, either in the locker room, or on the field.


Anyway, I've got the game on now, and it looks like maybe God is out doing errands or something...he's sure not helping Timmyboy win this one so far...

:7

[justabob]

23. I don't know

I thought there was a fairly strong fundy presence in the locker rooms and fields of the NFL.

[pipi_k]

31. Hadn't noticed, really...

If there is, it can't be all that obvious or in-yer-face. Well except for when someone makes a touchdown or something and kneels in the endzone or crosses himself or whatever. But even then it's not like this constant presence that I find so obnoxious like someone wearing references to bible verses on his face.

I just wonder what the Christians would do if, for example, any Muslim NFL players ran around advertising their religion on their persons during games...they'd probably find it exceedingly offensive...

[GreenStormCloud]

15. It is his freedom.

What do you have against the First Amendment?

[spanone]

45. well, i guess someone could wear a swastika too, i still wouldn't like it

[GreenStormCloud]

50. And you would have the right to boycott the sponsors if you felt strongly enough.

He has his rights and you have yours. I wonder what would happen if a Muslim player had "Allah" written on his face?

[spanone]

70. boycott what sponsors? god?

[GreenStormCloud]

89. He is on TV. The sponsors of the TV, if you feel strongly enough.

Don't buy tickets, if you do, to games he is in.

Depends upon how strongly you feel about it.

[ashling]

16. Separation of Tebow and State

The Above subject line is the subject line of a post I posted last weeks inquiring how much the State of Florida pays to have this walking scripture billboard at their games.

I say that as long as he is out there representing a state University, that he should not be promoting religion. If he wants to play in the NFL he can paint Jesus F*** Christ on his ass, but it is out of line while he is at Fla. I realize that it is a moot point as this is his last game for them, but Jesus Christ!

[ashling]

17. I hope Alabama Raptures his ass!

Maybe that eye black is the sign of the beast

[pipi_k]

19. bwahahahahah

Alabama is whoopin some Tebow ass, ain't it?


:rofl:

[HarveyDarkey]

26. Final 32-13

gawd fail

[SidDithers]

119. Poor Tebow...

Sid

[bamacrat]

124. Awesome just put that on my facebook. RTR

[undeterred]

20. The Bible has pretty much stayed where it is for a very long time.

[QC]

21. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tandot]

22. It doesn't look like it is helping him much. Alabama is kicking his ass :)

Seems like God isn't a big Gator's fan ;)

[bullwinkle428]

24. I'm offering up a prayer right now, that they still interview Tebow

following the end of this Holy Beatdown!

[bullwinkle428]

25. HALLELUJAH! My prayers are answered!

[Blue_In_AK]

27. Crying like a baby, bless his heart.

:rofl:

[KamaAina]

73. And then taken off the field in a

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[earthboundmisfit]

28. Goofy fucks "Christianifying" football -

I hate goofy fucks like Tebow. He not only cannot separate church and state, he cannot separate church and football - or church and reality.
We are constantly bombarded with this religious cult fanaticism yet - if anybody would disagree with them or embraces another belief, all hell would break loose.
Surely Tebow should take this as a sign from his deity of great disapproval...

[Blue_In_AK]

30. I wonder how he feels about verses from the Quran.

An interesting social experiment would be for one of his opponents to wear a Quran reference under his eyes. Would Tebow be taken aback? Would he be offended, or would he realize how ridiculous he looks? Would it be a teachable moment?

Piety is supposed to be kept behind closed doors. That's what it says in the Bible.

[pipi_k]

34. Shameless self promotion...

that's the way I see it.

I'd find it just as obnoxious if, for example, someone proud of being a member of Mensa were to run around with his GENIUS IQ written on his face or wherever else he chose to advertise it.

I really hate it when people feel they have to let the entire world know they're a "this" or "that" instead of being quiet about it and letting us discover on our own.

I like discovering stuff about people that they're humble enough to keep to themselves until they're asked.

[Name removed]

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[harkadog]

33. People who want to burn books should be part of the fuel.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. Nothing like a good book burning eh.

:sarcasm:

[NaturalHigh]

47. Nice "progressive" sentiment there.

I don't understand why people like you promote hatred of Christianity.

[Odin2005]

49. Sorry, I just get sick of the god-botherers shoving religion down my throat

[Toasterlad]

77. I Don't Understand Why Christians Promote Hatred of People Like Me.

So I guess we're even.

[TicketyBoo]

83. I don't understand this, either.

If someone finds solace or inspiration from religion, then why should anyone else care?

I also understand the work of missionaries, but I don't agree that the whole world needs to be converted. Missionaries and "Bible-thumpers" think it's their divine obligation and commandment to convert the world, which is a dangerous mission. They take very seriously the passage, "no one comes to the Father except through me" — John 14.6, and set about trying to "save the world."

There a rather enlightened take on this here:

http://web.me.com/frsparky/iWeb/028g08.htm

So let him have his under-eyes darkened however he sees fit. What is it to us?

[immoderate]

115. I hesitate to deny anyone his rights, but...

When the fundies take over, it will be with the support of liberal Christians.

I know, you don't think some militant group of religious fanatics can gain power over the majority. But they won't quit until they do. The other Christians support them by nullifying their only real enemy, clear critical thinking.

I really don't care what Tebow does. I don't follow college ball. (I think it's ridiculous that people go to college to play ball, but that's another thread.) But anyone who treats his faith as something positive, is spreading a dangerous prejudice.

--imm

[TicketyBoo]

116. Well, I can't understand why

anyone would treat his faith as something negative?

"Oh, my! I must overcome my faith!" just doesn't sound like a reasonable attitude to me.

[immoderate]

148. I don't see people doing it, but it is reasonable.

Faith is the capacity to believe something for which there is no evidence, or even negative evidence. If "reasonable" has anything to do with "reason," which is the opposite of faith, then it's dangerous.

Cigarette smoking also feels good. :smoke: But it's dangerous.

--imm

[TicketyBoo]

152. All right, let me rephrase that.

It doesn't seem reasonable to expect someone to treat his faith as something negative when he finds comfort, solace, or inspiration in it.

[immoderate]

154. Yeah, that's the problem.

I think you're right. I don't expect people to give it up easily. Comfort, solace, and inspiration are not unique to religious faith. They just have good marketing.

--imm

[proteus_lives]

55. Books or people?

Either way, it's an ugly statement.

[Capn Sunshine]

32. I dunno, it seems harmless, and it's a nice sentiment

33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

I have no problem with that thought. Nicely seasonal. Football as spectacle has lent itself to shilling whether it be for Jesus or Astroturf.

[pipi_k]

35. Jesus vs Astroturf....

Close call, but I'll take Astroturf...

nobody was ever burned at the stake or tortured for fake grass...

;)

[Capn Sunshine]

36. Spoken by one who has never suffered "turf Toe"

"For Dow so loved the world , they gave their only begotten all-american, so that there would be football indoors"

Hallelujah.

[proteus_lives]

59. "nobody was ever burned at the stake or tortured for fake grass..."

Yet.

People will always find a reason for murder and mayhem.

[pipi_k]

97. so true...

they'll do it regardless of whether the grass is fake or real.

People kill over parking spaces, who's messing with whose girlfriend, dinner isn't hot enough, and "he disrespected me".

Not to mention "just because"...

:shrug:

[FLDCVADem]

37. He has every right to publicize his religious views

Why do people get their panties in such a wad over this kind of stuff? Don't agree with his religious views? Fine, that's your right.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

38. He should worry about Florida 1st and 10 instead (n/m)

[Fuzz]

39. They lost, and he cried. Good.

[NMMNG]

42. It's his body

If he wants to tattoo the entire Bible on it why should anybody care (so long as he's not pushing messages that promote/incite harm or violence)? Sure, he looks like an idiot but it's his body and he can do what he wants with it. If he's not allowed to put a Bible verse on his face then how can we defend someone who wants to have a rainbow flag, a peace sign or whatever?

[Shell Beau]

44. I personally don't care what Tim Tebow has on his face.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I can see it being annoying to some, but really, it is his face and his belief. I don't see the big deal.

[NaturalHigh]

46. According to our constitution, he can promote whatever he wants.

I really don't understand what your problem with this is. I can't stand Tim Tebow, but I'm not interested in supressing his constitutional rights.

[Zomby Woof]

132. Not in the NFL he can't

They forbid his kind of bodily displays in their rules of conduct. It's no different than one's private employer not allowing an employee to harrass co-workers by pushing religion on them. That being said, Tebow has no interest in letting others have their religious freedom. His father runs an evangelical operation that endorses all kinds of religious bigotry. Tebow is the ministry's heir.

No one is suppressing his rights. No one is saying he can't be a christian. His beliefs are unchanged regardless of what is or is not plastered under his crying eyes. But potential employers like the NFL *are* saying he can't deny others their freedom FROM religion.

[demwing]

48. He can write, say, or paint on his face anything he likes

why even ask?

[alarimer]

51. God gets credit for wins but does not get blame for losses.

Timmy is just another fundagelical hypocrite.

[liberal_at_heart]

52. I think it is fine however I have to wonder how someone else would be treated

What if someone had a symbol on their cheek that represented atheism or Islam or Wicca? Would the team allow a person to wear such symbols on their cheeks and how would the rest of the team treat them? Would that person's fellow team mates trust him to lead their team? Or would he be distrusted, isolated, and discriminated against?

[Alcibiades]

53. Concussed much?

It's silly to think that athletes who play a sport wherein they sustain brain injuries on a regular basis should be held to the same standard as regular folks. In Tebow's case, any such cognitive impairment is clearly god's will anyway.

[donheld]

54. I say "Don't complain if I vomit on your cross

that tends to happen when it's shoved down my throat"

[proteus_lives]

56. Why does anyone care?

I'm really amazed that this bothers people.

[gmoney]

58. someone was bitching about this, made it sound like they were tattoos

This is a big "who cares?" in my book.

Facial tattoos would have been a little more of a semi-tragic mutilation worthy of comment.

[Marr]

60. As long as he gives Jesus credit for his team's losses as well as their wins, it's cool.

[Ferret Annica]

62. The holy babble is great toilet paper, nothing more

[jus_the_facts]

68. Self-righteous indignation comes around and goes around ...apparently. n/t

[Iggo]

71. I think it's lame.

It negatively affects my opinion of whoever does it.

But I don't think they really care, so...let's just say it's a free country.

[KamaAina]

74. Mine say "Alabama 32-13"

:P

[Toasterlad]

76. Now THAT...Was Funny.

[Iggo]

78. Could someone please shop that onto his big old face?

That'd be some fun wallpaper this week.

[peekaloo]

118. I'd like to second this request. Please.

it sure made the tide roll from his eyes.

[SidDithers]

120. I did in another thread, reposted it in #119 upthread here...nt

Sid

[RagAss]

79. His father does missionary work...he grew up in it and it's sincere...and I'm ....

biggest atheist there is !

[marshall]

80. Separation of Church and Football?

It could happen.

[Brother Buzz]

81. A man with real convictions would tattoo that cheesy crap on permanent

[jmm]

82. I'd pay good money to see one of his opponents with Matthew 6:5-6 on their face

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret.

Of course he has every right to paint his face just like I have every right to think this isn't helping his cause.

[TicketyBoo]

85. I think this ranks

right up there as one of the meanest threads I've ever seen on DU. I'm not sure the OP intended it to turn out this way, but it is what it is.

For so-called "liberals," most of you have shown very little of the tolerance you espouse.

[Iggo]

87. This is nowhere NEAR the meanest threads on DU.

Stick around. You'll see.

[TicketyBoo]

91. Probably not.

I'm fairly new.

But it's plenty mean enough.

P.S. If I stick around, it will be in spite of the meanness, certainly not because of it.

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[Ikonoklast]

101. When so-called Christians stop using their faith to oppress others,

who believe differently than they, I will stop being critical of their hypocrisy.

And if other Christians sit by silently and do nothing while others of their belief preach prejudice and hatred, they are just as guilty.

Funny how not too many of the so-called main-stream churches call out the likes of, oh, say, the God Hates Fags 'church'.

Oh, once in a while some minister or priest will pooh-pooh them to the media, but I'm willing to bet they secretly agree with their agenda against homosexuals.

[rd_kent]

106. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

spot on!

[pipi_k]

111. I have no problem with anyone professing a belief in anything...

as long as it's not being professed in an "in yer face" type of way.

That is, why can't people keep their beliefs to themselves unless and until they're asked?

I've heard that Tebow was using God and religion to "inspire" the players. I think that goes beyond the right to have, or profess, a belief. It would be the same thing if, for example a manager at work used God and religion in staff meetings to motivate the employees. Unless it's a church setting, it's inappropriate.

Same thing with football...

IMO

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. He might as well have written this on his face...

[JVS]

103. His face, his choice of speech.

[rd_kent]

105. I guess Jesus is not a Florida fan.

I hate it when god chooses the other team to win! I prayed so hard!

[Ikonoklast]

113. This was seen stitched on the back of Jesus' robe...

[Feron]

112. A pious person doesn't need to advertise.

The more a person feels the need to make a display of how faithful he or she is, the chances of that person being a hypocrite rise accordingly.

Perhaps I'm misjudging the guy, but in my experience people like that tend to be insufferable.

Ten dollars says that if his signage said "Praise Allah", "Hail Satan", or "Atheist", it wouldn't have made it out the locker room. Personally I think that religious displays don't have a place in football.

And as an LSU alumnus, it made me feel a little dirty rooting for Alabama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

126. Face paint is besides the point. Tebow's a total dick.

As evidenced by the previous week's UF v. FSU game wherein there's an injured FSU player on the ground and Tebow runs out to bless the poor leper with his glorious presence.

[Seeking Serenity]

130. The hate demonstrated here is quite remarkable

and depressing.

[Zomby Woof]

134. You should check out Bob Tebow's website

His dad runs quite the hatefest. Ol' Timmeh is his dad's heir.

We're just giving him back what he so freely gives others.

[RagAss]

136. Do you have a link to that website?

[Zomby Woof]

142. Here you go

You have to read between the lines. When you consider that 80% or so of Filipino citizens are Catholic, and Bob cites the staggering percentage who "have never heard the gospel of Jeebus", then you get the idea.

http://www.btea.org/index.asp

[Seeking Serenity]

144. You're into punishing the sons for the "sins" of the father.

Got it. Nice progressive value. I'll mark it down.

Oh, and that other progressive value, return what one views as hate with even more hate. That'll foster a spirit of peace and love among people.

[Zomby Woof]

146. The son SUBSCRIBES to the father's views 100%

I am not transferring the father's hate and ignorance onto the son. It's already there. When I said "heir", I meant that in every sense of the term, not just in a financial or legal sense. Fuck the sanctimonious pile of smug, ignorant shit streaming out of your piehole. I am a progressive who knows hate is a good weapon, and I like using it on the deserving.

I have to laugh at priggish little snot-nosed twits like you who sit on their precious hilltop and decree who does or does not possess "progressive values". You obviously fail at seeking serenity, because you're too busy pompously judging other progressives for not adhering to standards you damn well know cannot be met in the real world. "Peace and love" is moronic hippie sophistry. Doesn't work when up against scumbags like Tebow.

[Seeking Serenity]

149. Sure glad Gandhi didn't believe in the awesome power of hate as you do.

Or Dr. King.

My progressive conscience is clear.

[Zomby Woof]

153. Gandhi was a hypocrite and a misogynist

A woman-hating pederast to boot. I gag every time I see a DUer with his avatar. I figure "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

To demonstrate:

From Richard Shenkman's Legends, Lies, and Myths of World History:

Gandhi, for starters, had some very strange beliefs. When he was older, he preached that a couple should have sex only three of four times in their lives - although he engaged in a lot of sex when he was younger. He liked to sleep in the nude with naked young women to test his vow of chastity - apparently, sleeping nude with his wife wasn't much of a test. History doesn't record what she thought of this, but I can imagine my wife having a few choice words to say about such a situation.

Speaking of his wife, she died when he refused to allow her to get life saving shot of penicillin after she contracted pneumonia. He was, you see, opposed to modern medicine. But not fanatically opposed, since after her death he allowed himself to be treated with quinine for his malaria and allowed his appendix to be removed by surgeons. Nice guy, huh?

There's a lot more, like the fact that he wasn't always the pacifist that he has been made out to be and his odd fascination for bowel movements - I'll spare you the details of that last one.


Ibid, and culled from The Gandhi Nobody Knows by Richard Grenier:

Gandhi the part-time pacifist:

Although Gandhi became famous for his pacifism, his beliefs here evolved considerably over the years. In fact, until the British massacred hundreds of peaceful Indians at Amritsar, Gandhi was such a faithful British subject that he served in the imperial army.

In the Boer War, Gandhi led the Natal Indian Ambulance Corps and, in one of those weird coincidences, was one of the three future world leaders at the Battle of Spioenkop, along with Winston Churchill and Louis Botha. For his good work, Gandhi eventually won the War Medal and was promoted to sergeant major.

Gandhi also volunteered to serve in World War I, one of the few Indian activists to support England unconditionally. A bad case of pleurisy prevented him from serving, and in fact forced him to leave England and return to India.

Gandhi and World War II:

Gandhi never quite seemed to realize that the non-violence he urged against the British would have failed horribly if applied to the Nazis. He urged the British to surrender, and suggested that the Czechs and even the Jews would have been better off committing heroic mass suicide.

Even as late as June 1946, when the extent of the Holocaust had emerged, Gandhi told biographer Louis Fisher: "The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs." (Let me add: :puke: )

As the Japanese advanced into Burma (now called Myanmar), there was a real possibility of an Axis invasion of India. Gandhi thought it was best to let the Japanese take as much of India as they wanted, and that the best way to resist would be to "make them feel unwanted."

(In fact, the Axis was helping a buddy of Gandhi's to raise an army of Indians that would have seized the country from the Brits, but that's another story.)

Gandhi, family man:

He described his wife as looking like a "meek cow." (Again: :puke: )

He refused to allow his sons to get a formal education, and also tried to force his oddball sexual ideas on them. He so disapproved of the wife of his eldest son that the Mahatma disowned him. This son broke from the family and became an alcoholic. In rebellion against everything his father stood for, Harilal Gandhi even announced at one point that he had converted to Islam.

The Mahatma also had trouble with his second son, Manilal, who had an affair with a married woman. Dad made the matter a public scandal and pushed the woman involved to shave her head. Manilal was also briefly exiled from the family for lending money to fellow black sheep Harilal.

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My conscience is clear too. It isn't unclear because someone with your authoritarian definition of "progressive" says so.

As for the Reverend King - well, I am faithful to my wife, and I don't even claim to be a "Man of God", so score one for my morality over his.

[Zomby Woof]

131. If he goes pro

He can kiss those bible verses under his eyes goodbye. The NFL doesn't put up with that shit.

[RagAss]

133. ...and linebackers don't put up with that running quarterback shit either !

[Zomby Woof]

135. And NO ONE puts up with crying

There's no crying in baseball OR football. :D

[RagAss]

137. Except for Rex Ryan....LOL !

[RagAss]

139. John 16:33 - "And Ye shall Roll Tide !"

[WCGreen]

141. Not!....

[Fuzz]

140. The opposing QB should put F**K Tebow under his eyes.

[RedCloud]

143. "You cannot petition the Lord with prayer!"

Time to cue the song.

[Initech]

145. To use a George Carlin quote - god is undefeated.

[Blue-Jay]

151. I don't give a shit what that guy does.

He can run down the field with a dildo hanging out of his ass for all I care.

[Bolo Boffin]

155. John 16:33 is the kind of verse you turn to when you know you're not going to win.

Just saying.

[aikoaiko]

156. I don't care that people write things on their body.

Biblical or otherwise.