"Viagra is linked to violence against women"

[me b zola]

Viagra, Sexual Abuse &TV Ads
Darker Side of Viagra Underscores Society Conflicted by Sex
By Linda Lowen, About.com Guide

~snip~

Viagra use has a dark side. John Jamelske, the 67-year-old man who held a number of young women captive as sexual slaves in an underground bunker, took Viagra. Two toxicologists, Harold Milman and S.B. Arnold, have stated in the Annals of Pharmacotherapy that "the drug has been suggested as a contributing factor in 22 cases involving aggression, 13 involving rape, and 6 involving murder." Clearly Viagra is linked to violence against women.
~more @ http://womensissues.about.com/od/womensbodiesminds/a/ViagraWomensSex_2.htm

Too many worries about what medical decisions a woman makes with her doctor, and not enough scrutiny of the little blue pill and how it gets used.

[csziggy]

1. That is appalling and apparently well hidden by the M$M n/t

[RC]

2. Sure blame it on the Viagra

Nobody is ever responsible for their actions.

[boston bean]

4. It's gonna get ugly when us wimminz finally decide to tell men what they can't do with their penises

[me b zola]

10. Bingo

This is my counter-punch. No more playing defense.

[NoUsername]

45. Oh hell.

That's something that will never be allowed. But one can dream. ;)

In the meantime, rich white men are allowed to pass laws deciding what women can and can't do with their bodies. No surprise there.

[TexasObserver]

46. Most of the commercials are aimed at older women.

With Viagra, they market to men and women, but with Cialis, the target is strictly women.

[me b zola]

6. I'm not claiming men aren't responsible for their actions

I'm stating that some with the intention of sexual assault use erection enhancement drugs to commit their crimes.

[boston bean]

19. It doesn't really matter does it? I mean, even with the flimsiest and religious reasons

women should be able to tell men what to with their penises? NO??

[NoUsername]

47. Flimsiest reasons?

Like, uh, not wanting to be sexually assaulted? Yeah, that's a pretty flimsy reason. After all, the woman should just "lie back and enjoy it", right? Hmmm...where have I heard that before...

And women shouldn't be able to tell men what to do with their penises? OK, I can agree on that premise as long as what the guy wants to do with his penis doesn't interfere with the woman's right to not have said penis forcefully inserted into an orifice of the woman's body against her will. Add to that legislation that states the women also has free and complete control of her body and all medical decisions made in regard to it and we might be able to come to an agreement.

[populistdriven]

24. well i dont take viagra and never beat women, so it must be the viagra

[boston bean]

30. it has nothing to do with you, don't be so sensitive. nt

[treestar]

3. Has that really been made clear?

At most a "suggestion" appears. Just because someone is taking it doesn't mean they wouldn't have done what they did without taking it.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

5. as opposed to say alcohol or meth?

That seems like a bit of a reach,

[me b zola]

8. Insurence company doesn't cover alcohol or meth. n/t

[NightWatcher]

7. but it's not supposed to last more than 4 hours

how many people who commit murder also nursed on breast milk. so, can we say that breast milk causes violence too?

[boston bean]

9. Are you saying that as many men that drank breast milk have taken viagra??

yowza!

[NightWatcher]

11. no, just questioning the link between viagra and violence. sounds spurrious to me

maybe a few violent men just happened to then take viagra.

In statistics, a spurious relationship (or, sometimes, spurious correlation or spurious regression) is a mathematical relationship in which two occurrences have no causal connection, yet it may be inferred that they do, due to a certain third, unseen factor (referred to as a "confounding factor" or "lurking variable"). The spurious relationship gives an impression of a worthy link between two groups that is invalid when objectively examined.

[boston bean]

12. I was just funnin ya! I wonder what the percentage of the male population takes viagra

and what percentage takes it because they are impotent, vs taking it for "fun".

[medeak]

35. golf course talk is all about viagra

for recreation...it's disturbing how many use it.

[Thickasabrick]

13. I don't get that logic. You could say that about anything - like

the rape drug that's out there. Does that justify the rape drug because the perps drank breast milk?

[me b zola]

14. I'm not saying those pills was the cause of the crimes

I'm saying that some who planned a crime used those pills to commit their crime. Perhaps little blue pills should be better regulated. Make sure they are being used properly by men who can prove that they won't use it as a weapon.

[MilesColtrane]

52. How can anyone prove they won't act a certain way in the future?

[Odin2005]

15. Abortions can't be funded but boner pills are OK. We are SOOOO fucked up as a society.

[AwakeAtLast]

23. Birth control pills are not funded either

Boggles the mind.

[polly7]

42. It sure does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt.

[Vinnie From Indy]

16. C'mon!

"Clearly Viagra is linked to violence against women."

How in the world could anyone claim that 22 cases of aggression known to have been committed by men while using Viagra is a clear sign of anything? That is just silly beyond words.

[boston bean]

20. Doesn't matter. If a minority thinks it does, we should regulate it and possibly make viagra

illegal.

God doesn't want impotent men having erections. It's as simple as that! He made them impotent for reasons we cannot comprehend and we should not screw with god's divine interventions and wishes.

[Hekate]

48. Oh yeah. What you said is what I've been saying: a limp dick is Gawd's Will and no-way should ...

... Gawd-fearing people have to PAY into an insurance plan that covers Viagra or Cialis. Furthermore, as a woman I do not have a penis, limp or otherwise, and like that Republican Senator who doesn't want to PAY for my womany-parts to be insured I definitely do not want to have to pay to have his thing stiffened.
:sarcasm:

Hekate

[NoUsername]

50. Yep.

Just like abortion. After all, if a woman gets pregnant, apparently that's by gawd's design and who are we to interfere with that? After all, if gawd didn't want the woman to get pregnant, he/she would have made her infertile. therefore, if a woman gets pregnant, she must carry the baby to term because that's what gawd intended. :sarcasm:

[cali]

17. oh bollocks.

what does this even mean? "the drug has been suggested as a contributing factor in 22 cases involving aggression, 13 involving rape, and 6 involving murder."

That's vague. What do they mean by "aggression"? and how was it linked? In any case, considering the millions of men who take the crap, 22 cases is a very small number.

Viagra doesn't cause rape and sure as fuck didn't cause Jamelske to rape, humiliate, imprison and torture women.

[saltpoint]

18. I won't beleve it until Sanjay Gupta says it's so.

[boston bean]

22. Sanjay prolly takes viagra! Do you think he would divulge it or is it too personal? nt

[saltpoint]

27. Hard to tell. An extensive email inquiry campaign demanding to know

would be kind of fun.

[boston bean]

29. Could be hard to figure out, but maybe we should try. I like your idea. Let's

mandate everyman divulge if they've ever taken viagra and then we can post the results on a website for everyone to see! Create a registry....

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. What a reach

You don't think this sicko would have committed his crimes without Viagra?

Next, why don't they say that cancer treatments lead to violence against women because some rapist went into remission and went on to commit more crime?

[madrchsod]

25. oh well, guess that`s a good as an excuse as any

...viagra made me do it!

[Blue-Jay]

26. Are unassisted boners also linked to violence against women?

[boston bean]

28. hmm, that is already an abomination, no??

this outlawing boners on religious grounds is gonna be easier than I thought!

[paulsby]

31. "linked"... note that correlation does not imply causation

or is basic logic thrown away?

[ismnotwasm]

32. I don't know about being linked

Since violence against women is epidemic in the first place. Certainly possible. Viagra gives sexually violent deviants(some are impotent)the ability to penetrate with penises before they cut them up with the weapon of choice and/or assists in indulgences in whatever action that merely represent their penis.

I do know there are areas of high street prostitution nicknamed 'Viagra row' because of the newly--invigorated---old fucks who like to purchase nameless, economically deprived bodies with available orifices. I hear it's spectacularly gross.

[phasma ex machina]

33. Geezers with twigs

[LostInAnomie]

34. That could be one of the dumbest articles and leaps in logic I've ever read on here.

I hope no one paid money for that article. A first semester research & statistics student could tear that thing apart.

[Nikki Stone1]

36. Actually this kind of report started right after Viagra went on the market. An 80 year old raped

a young woman while he was on Viagra. Without it, he would have been hampered in his rape attempt. I'll find the link for you if I can.

This is not to say that the government should have control of Viagra, but the point the OP makes underneath the article is right on.

[jberryhill]

37. And if he had an appendectomy.....

...then without it, he would have died from infection.

Clearly, the appendectomy allowed him to live to commit crime.

More to the point, though, is the incidence of pathological behavior resulting from unhealthy relationships due in part to sexual dissatisfaction. There is no easy measure of how many people are more well adjusted than they otherwise would be without it.

[Nikki Stone1]

51. Extraordinarily stupid response.

But thanks for playing! :D

[applegrove]

38. Masogynists are often sexually inadequate. Could be more sadists

and masogynists take viagara. Uday Hussein was on viagara. So was some Mexican drug kingpin.

[NaturalHigh]

39. Do you really believe that banning viagra will decrease violence?

[nutshell2002]

40. To paraphrase Wanda Sykes:

If you’re over 60 you shouldn’t be able to get that pill unless you get a note from three women who want to f*ck you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

41. BS

[ddeclue]

43. That's a ridiculous stretch and anecdotes are NOT evidence.

:eyes:

[JoeyT]

44. And before viagra

They used something as a stand in for a penis.
This is Drug War logic. "Someone on this did something bad, therefore it should be banned!"

This isn't a good meme to propagate, even if correlation and causation were the same thing, and they're not.
How long before "Viagra made me do it" becomes a rapists first line defense against prosecution?

[Unrepentant Fenian]

49. 22 violent cases involving viagra, how many involving PMS?

I'm sure several more will quickly become apparent.

[anigbrowl]

53. So are shoes. Practically every man has at least one pair, therefore...

Really, this article is terminally stupid. But then it's about.com, which seems to attract this kind of tabloid junk.