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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:51 PM
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"I recoil with horror
at the ferociousness of man. Will nations never devise a more rational umpire of differences than force? Are there no means of coercing injustice more gratifying to our nature than a waste of the blood of thousands and of the labor of millions of our fellow creatures?"

~Thomas Jefferson
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:52 PM
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1. Indeed, people have said stuff.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:53 PM
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2. Nothing wrong with war, as long as the right people get killed.
If the US army invaded Wall Street I would totally enlist.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:55 PM
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3. Yeah. I would probably take up arms in that war.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:11 PM
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4. On the other hand, Jefferson waged his own war of choice against muslim pirates
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:15 PM
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6. And of course agitated
for a war of choice against Britain. The right thing to do, but he was hardly a pacifist.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:14 PM
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5. Unlikely to change
when it comes down to it nothing trumps overwhelming force.

Now if you could organize an independent, unbiased group to wield that force and preside over all nations then a peace could be enforced.

Of course knowing human nature that would immediately result in a despotism with no escape, so that's less than ideal.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:39 PM
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8. Ya, even if you found one person who could be trusted to be objective
Who would be their successor?
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:41 PM
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9. Me
I will do it.
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:23 PM
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7. +1
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