Obama & World hit back at climate deniers

[Louisiana1976]

The GOP climate deniers actually think that their "climategate" BS is a smoking gun that will derail climate change legislation in the U.S. and a global treaty in Copenhagen by decreasing public support in the belief in global warming. The deniers believe that their lies, disinformation and fallacious claims will cause public opinion polls to "drop through the floor" by early next year.

Heh, the deniers did not get the message sent by Senator Boxer when she proceeded with climate change legislation despite Inhofe's flaccid boycott. Well, tonight's top story is about how President Obama is moving past the lying deniers and the world is following his lead. Do the deniers really think the world will blink when they whine given the solid scientific evidence of global warming impacts happening now and the gravity of impacts that lie in our future if we don't take action now?

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/6/811449/-ObamaWorld-Hit-Back-At-Climate-Deniers-

[postulater]

1. Here's a nice article summarizing the arguments

from Scientific American.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense

[tabatha]

5. Thanks. Bookmarked.

[drm604]

2. Unfortunately, the question isn't whether the world will blink,

the question is whether they can mislead enough of the American public to put pressure on Congress to derail or at least delay any of the necessary actions.

They're using exactly the same rhetorical tactics they've used with some success in the past. They're engaging in a full court press on this "climategate" nonsense. They're trying to change the argument from "what should we do about it?" to "is it really a problem at all?". I see talking heads "assuming" that the entire scientific case has been somehow upset. They of course don't go into details because the details don't support them, but the American public isn't interested in details anyway.

We need some very strong voices to counter this with some facts presented in a way that the American public will pay attention to. That's a tall order, unfortunately.

[Birdiesmom]

3. Unfortunately, the scientific community has buckled under the negative press...

...and given credence to the whole "climategate" lie by letting the "guilty party" "step down" from his position of authority, and "admitting" that the "scandal" "looks bad."

If they had stood firm and kept explaining the "trick," and that there was nothing to "climategate," this never would have gotten to the state that regular Americans would be opening their newspapers and browsers today and reading statements such as this, in the Raleigh Times:

"The correspondence and documents include references by prominent climate scientists to deleting potentially embarrassing e-mail messages, keeping papers by competing scientists from publication and making adjustments in research data."

People don't want global warming to be real. It involves all of us making inconvenient changes in our lifestyles. Therefore, we tend to listen for reassurance that we can keep on doing things the way we always have done them. That's what the climate-change deniers are giving us.

[FBaggins]

4. I wouldn't say so. More like they had effective timing.

Copenhagen was in danger BEFORE "climategate" and the chances of significant legislative action in the US were dramatically diminished due to economic weakness.

They picked a clever time to push a scandal (Whether or not I agree that there is any "there" there)... because they can spin the lack of results on supposed public agreement with their positions.

[zonkers]

6. I'd like a bagel with a shmear.