I don't have a problem with Tiger Woods cheating on his wife.

[CatWoman]

That's between him and his wife.

I didn't have a problem with Bill Clinton being on the receiving end of Monica's oral adulations.

That's between Bill and Hillary.

I didn't have a problem with Eliot Spitzer's infidelities. Or Shaq's. Or Michael Jordan's.

People are people. Humans are not perfect.

And these acts were between consenting adults.

[safeinOhio]

1. 100% correct.

[roguevalley]

109. I taught school for a zillion years and I object a lot because he and

every other rat who cheats, male or female, who has kids hurts them. A lot. Also, dorking around in the age of aids and hep c is as low as it goes.

I see what it does to the most innocent parties.

Apparently, he was admitted to the hospital from an od (ambien and vicodin) on thanksgiving. This guy has a lot of problems. Too bad he is hurting the people he is supposed to love the most.

Personally, I don't care what he does. For his kids and wife, innocent parties, I feel as bad as it gets. I know they are going to pay forever.

[polichick]

2. Well, the wives didn't consent. And it looks like Tiger's lovers didn't...

...consent to being one in a dozen. That's why it's a story.

[tonysam]

3. He's a public figure, and he can expect to receive more scrutiny

than the average cheat.

Worse still is the allegation he married his wife only for "publicity" reasons. I'll bet she didn't feel that way, since she went ahead and had two children with him.

[polichick]

9. Wow, I hadn't heard that about marrying for publicity reasons...

The story gets more interesting every day.

[robinlynne]

176. well he was going to pay her 55 million to stay with him a few days ago...

Isn't that sort of a strange way to be married?

[avaistheone1]

192. Tiger can kiss hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements away.

He has blown his wholesome family image to people like Pepsi and Nike etc.

They don't want their companies image mixed up with a man who thinks it is okay to cheat on his wife and 2 young children with up to 10 other women with one or more of theses women being prostitutes.

[CatWoman]

5. and if you'll note, I said that was between the men and their wives....

[polichick]

13. This story broke because neither the wife nor the lovers consented...

Like or not, it's fascinating when a person who appears one way turns out to be something completely different.

On edit: I mean the lovers didn't consent to being one of many (as I said earlier).

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Yep, and it's not that he had an affair, it's the fact that he had many long relationships

with the many women he cheated on his wife with.

[LaydeeBug]

81. and didn't he refuse to attend a White House function in the 90's bc of Monica?

I checked bartcop and searched, but didn't find anything...but IIRC, he took the moral high ground regarding Bill Clinton and Rush was all a-ga-ga.

[goldcanyonaz]

98. OMG! If this is true? Wow, that would be a rough one to explain.

[LaydeeBug]

152. I'm thinking this was around '97 or '98...

Maybe someone with Lex/Nex will be able to shed some light

[CatWoman]

18. "none of the lovers consented"???????

so you're saying he raped them?

[polichick]

21. LOL - God, I hope not! I mean they didn't consent to being one of many. nt

[CatWoman]

25. ...

:)

[roguevalley]

110. true. but the fallout includes a lot of innocent parties. He has the

cutest damned kids. I don't know how he could be such a dick. I don't know who said the best thing a man could do for his kids is love their mother. Applies to women too. He should have walked away if he couldn't do that. I love his little kids. Elin seems like a nice woman. I feel for all the nonconsenting parties. I wonder if I had a billion dollars if I would be such a dickhead. I'd love to find out. :)

[hughee99]

26. How dare Tiger cheat on the women he's cheating on his wife with.

It's a story because it's about sex. If Tiger and his wife were swingers, and everything was consensual, it would still be a story.

[polichick]

28. I don't think so. imo it's a captivating story because Tiger had such a pristine reputation...

The surprised throngs are just saying, "GET OUT OF HERE!!"

(But it hit the news because the women started talking.)

[hughee99]

36. It hit the news because of the accident...

The Enquirer was onto his infidelity before now, and Tiger was able to keep a lid on it (which is why he posed for the cover of Men's Health, which is owned by the same company). Now after the accident, too many people will be looking into this not to release what they have.

Sure Tiger's reputation makes it a bigger story, but even Charlie Sheen's infidelity made the news and no one was surprised that it didn't work out with Denise Richards.

[polichick]

38. Nobody was surprised about Charlie, but Tiger fooled a lot of people. nt

[hughee99]

43. I agree, but they both made the news. People love to read about sex. n/t

[snagglepuss]

57. Exactly. People believed the image he was spinnning and that is what

makes the story compelling.

[safeinOhio]

93. It's compelling because

we don't have anything better or exciting going on in our own life.

[snagglepuss]

97. Speak for yourself. The creep is a hypocrite. I for one have had

it up to me ears in hyprocrisy. I have never even liked Woods but I am shocked he is such a cad. I actually never thought his good guy image was a scam.

[Shell Beau]

60. Well they knew as he did that he was married. If I am to feel sorry for

anyone in this story, it is his wife. Not his mistresses and certainly not him.

[Ganja Ninja]

138. The only woman that has a right to complain about Tiger's infidelities

is Tiger's wife. If those other women want a loyal partner they should try finding one that isn't already married. I can only laugh at their complaints.

[Lorien]

161. But it's THEIR story. Not ours

we have our own lives to live. Theirs are none of our business.

[rd_kent]

196. It's only a story because people like YOU can't mind their own business.

Thats why this is "news".

[panader0]

4. You don't live in So. Az. do you?

[CatWoman]

6. nope

what's that got to do with anything?

[Bluebear]

10. Sounds like someone wants a date!

:)

[CatWoman]

15. is your dance card free?

:)

:hi:

[Bluebear]

111. For you?

Of course :loveya:

[PSzymeczek]

55. I do.

Do you?

[goldcanyonaz]

121. Me too. Are we planning a road trip?

*giggles*

[PuraVidaDreamin]

7. Or Vitter, or Ensign...

"Well politicians got lipstick on the collar
the whole media started to holler
but I don’t give a fuck who they screwin’ in private
I wanna know who they screwin’ in public"

Oh My God- Michael Franti

[taught_me_patience]

8. I do.

He built his entire public image on being "clean cut" and made millions from it. Now we find out it was all a fraud.

[wtmusic]

42. Actually being the best golfer in the world had a little to do with it

but if you bought a Nike product and feel cheated, ask for a refund :D

[HipChick]

11. I agree...however I am dismayed that domestic violence by a female

is treated with double standard - reason or not..I have a friend that to this day wears the results of a bottle being smashed and cut up in the face by a female

[CatWoman]

16. actually, I'm "kinda" proud of his wife

not for clubbing him, but for standing up to him.

[HipChick]

40. I can't say I have patience with a man that cheats

but I can't endorse violence either

[roguevalley]

120. his world just took a trip south. Huffingtonpost is talking about naked

photos being shopped around.

[inna]

59. She moved out, actually - good for her, IMO.

Also, it turns out that her mother is a prominent Leftie (Social Democratic) politician in Sweden! She just flew to Florida to visit her daughter in her new residence - sans Tiger. :)

[safeinOhio]

96. Funny how we jump to conclusions about the wife

we surely don't have all of the facts. She may have been hell on wheels and gave him motive to go astray. There are always 3 sides to every story. His, hers and then the truth.

I was not a perfect husband and I married 2 women that were not perfect either. Very hard for me to judge him or her.

[inna]

107. fair enough. i agree with you completely. nt

[roguevalley]

113. he posed as an elegant and dignified man. if she did drive him crazy,

he should have left her and moved on. he didn't. sort of sunk his carefully crafted image. Too bad.

[BoneDaddy]

155. Don't you know

that all women are innocent and justified in whatever they do and all men are guilty as the public opinion deems them to be and can do no right? That is the standard meme in here.

[shanti]

153. so THAT is who was

"transported to the hospital" today. it said it was a woman, so i'm ASSuming it was her mother.

[roguevalley]

112. I hear she moved out. Good. I will never forget the demeanor of

that governor of New Jersey, the gay american, and how she sort of set the standard of 'stand by your man' even if it crushes you. I never saw such a blasted woman in my life.

[aquart]

39. Men should never forget that they have to sleep sometime.

Or how much damage a cast iron frying pan can do.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

51. Man or woman any cheating spouse should remember they have to sleep sometime.

[aquart]

76. Funny, I didn't mention cheating.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

78. So you just proposed domestic assault for no reason? Okay.

[CatWoman]

85. LOL!!!

Stop putting words into people's mouths :spank:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

86. The frying pan comment was for the cat I guess.

[CatWoman]

88. you're hilarious, FMD

:)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

89. Oddly enough I hadn't read your name before I posted that.

:beer:

[CatWoman]

91. !!!!

:rofl:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. Moral of the story is less posting, more drinking! Hooray Beer.

[AngryAmish]

131. You are sick.

Someone hurts one's feeling, it is ok to maim them for life.

[goldcanyonaz]

203. Or a coat hanger...

I read a few years back about a woman using a coat hanger to kill her husband.

She shot it right through his one ear.

[NavyMom]

52. Thank you for this, Tiger was not hiding his affairs but his

wife domestic violence. The state of Florida brings charges against the spouse so if they keep it up she WILL be brought up on charges then possibly deported. Jaime Grubbs reason for releasing the texts is because Tiger meet her first but married Elin, she was & is jealous per and simple she needs to watch her butt as she might be facing extortion for not releasing anymore to protect his

[inna]

63. deported? what are you talking about?

:wtf:

[quiller4]

68. Her resident alien status is tied to her marriage. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

71. If she were to be deported you can bet the children will be leaving with her.

[inna]

101. as if Tiger cares about the children.

i'm not sure, i'm just guessing, based on the previously released info.

[avaistheone1]

193. Tiger was cheating on his wife when she was 7 months pregnant.

He doesn't care about his kids. Why would he do that to his mother and his little children if he cared?

[roguevalley]

114. ah, so his fucking around is ok because he wasn't being sneaky. ok.

[skygazer]

167. Violence is not an answer to one's problems, certainly

But to pretend that women commit domestic violence on the same par that men do is to be deliberately obtuse. While every once in a blue moon, a woman inflicts a comparable amount of damage on a man that hundreds, even thousands of men commit against women every day, for the most part, the damage caused by women is minor, happens once and the man is actually able to get away from it.

That doesn't excuse that violence but it does make it a different thing. Domestic violence by men against women is epidemic, very often (maybe even most of the time) escalating, often life-threatening, and quite often the woman is unable to escape at the time it happens because the man is able to physically keep her under control. It is also condoned by society though that is starting to change, precisely because people continue to speak out about it.

So to summarize - domestic violence by women against men consists of isolated incidents, all unfortunate and ones that should be dealt with but isolated. Domestic violence by men against women is a societal tsunami and has been for generations. It is something that must be dealt with on a societal level.

Because of that, people do tend to applaud a woman who they see as "fighting back." Wrong maybe but understandable considering that of every 8 women on this thread, one of them has likely been a victim of domestic violence.

Because people tend to forget the first part of a post by the time they get to the end, I am not saying that men are never abused by women or that it doesn't matter. Of course it does and those men deserve compassion and justice. But they are different situations.

[bridgit]

12. Sure makes sense, but some do it with a bit more flair I guess cause Hugh Grant did it dumb

:(

[HipChick]

37. Eddie Murphy - Transexual

[bridgit]

45. The bit that went down in W Hollywood I mean...what are the odds

That was a while ago though so maybe absence does make the heart grow fonder, better it didn't happen in the valley that's where the vampires bite back :)

[CatWoman]

84. man

you guys sure know a lot about this :)

[BoneDaddy]

156. YEah Marvin Hagler in a wig

and left Elizabeth Hurley sitting home. Wow.

[omega minimo]

17. What's your point?

:think: You don't have a problem ......................

[timeforpeace]

22. Is that required?

[omega minimo]

30. LOL

[CatWoman]

24. my point is, with all the shit going on in this world, I can hardly get

uptight over who Tiger Woods is or isn't fucking.

I didn't start watching golf until Tiger came onto the scene.

However, I was fucking long before Tiger came onto the scene.

Tiger doesn't green light my couplings, and I don't do that to his.

That's between him and his spouse.

It's none of my business.

[omega minimo]

31. I'd rather watch him drive down the freeway in a white SUV in slo-mo

NOT!!! :spray:

[Art_from_Ark]

19. So Tiger had his "Jimmy Swaggert" moment

Frankly, I agree, I couldn't give a rat's patootie about Tiger's personal transgressions.

[SoCalDem]

44. He hasn't had that moment yet

and he may never have it.. I bet he is pretty embarrassed, and probably will just hope it all goes away...and eventually it probably will..except for his wife, and the fact that his kids will be reading about it forever.

Those are the personal effects, and DO mostly affect his family, and it should be non of our business EXCEPT for the fact that he has traded on his squeaky-clean family-man image, and that image is responsible in a large part, for the enormous sums of promo money he receives.

He is his own brand..and the public pays him for that "product" (himself)..

When a product is found to be tainted, people shy away from it, and may never buy it again.

Sports "stars" have always gotten a pass, because their product is entertainment, and somehow, cheating is considered as normal and even "macho" behavior that enhances their popularity.

Like politicians, at a certain age, Tiger needed a wife, so he bought himself a Swedish beauty.. then he needed a family, so she gave him two babies, and yet it was still not enough for him.

It's too bad that if he felt pressured to marry, when obvously he eas nowhere ready to settle down and be a husband/father.

[Art_from_Ark]

56. Didn't he publicly admit to "transgressions"?

To me, it's like Jimmy's "I have sinned" speech.

Tiger might have received offers of endorsements due to his "image", but that's all it was, an image.

And Tiger might have "bought" himself a wife, but it was a two-way street. Wife had two kids with him, but it's not like he was another Joe Blow. Two kids of the World's Richest Golfer-- that's quite a gene pool. Plus, having Tiger as a father meant that those kids would grow up with everything, regardless of what happened between the parents.

[SoCalDem]

70. Oh, I'm sure she will be fine, financially, but

she's not free to do the one thing she might really want to do about now... go back to Sweden & live happily ever after...there, with her family

the kids "anchor" her to him and his money, but when a lot of the money is tied to the endorsements he gets , his "worth" might be less for a while.

I hope she's gotten herself a complete medical check-up and some blood-work..he seems to be a very indiscriminate cheater:(

Actually about now, a divorce might be the best thing for both of them.. he would be free to "play the field", and she would no longer be the "woman scorned", and could get on with her life too..

[Art_from_Ark]

108. Like I said, though, it's a two-way street

Money and fame attract all kinds.

He could be an "indiscriminate cheater" because he isn't getting any emotional support at home. His wife doesn't come across to me as someone who is going to smother him with kisses when he comes home.

[roguevalley]

116. and again, since he portrays himself as honorable, he should have

walked away if he wasn't getting emotional support at home, like any of us would know.

[Sienna86]

20. I disagree

Perhaps, naively, I am disillusioned by Tiger's behavior. Also, I feel sorry that he put his desires above his family's well-being. He may have destroyed his marriage, his kid's chance to grow up in a family unmarred by divorce, and may have exposed his wife to a host of STD's. He screwed up.

[Swede]

23. Hopefully he did not give her some STD.

He sure was prowling around looking for strange.

[Bucky]

29. Ha! "Looking for strange"

As a major sports star, strangest thing he could have "found" was the desire to be faithful to his wife. It seems to be a rarity in his chosen profession.

[polichick]

33. That's probably what she was thinking about...

...when she went after him with the golf club!

[devilgrrl]

27. In regard to Celebrity males - infidelity is par for the course.

No pun intended.

I don't care for it but that seems to be the case.

[CatWoman]

32. Bingo!!

my thing is, why do they get married if they want to continue to play the field???

Seems like that makes too much sense, huh?

[HipChick]

35. Exactly..methinks Elin was naive..

[Snotcicles]

34. I have a problem with cheats and liars in general, no matter the issue. nt

[HysteryDiagnosis]

41. Now I get it..... "Woods". Enough said. n/t

[pokerfan]

79. I just realized

'Tiger Woods' would be a helluva porn name.

[blueamy66]

46. I have a problem with the women

that "dated" Tiger being called sluts.

What the hell does that make the married man who is sleeping around? A hero?

Ugh.

[polichick]

47. Yeah, "bimbo sluts." Nice. nt

[CatWoman]

50. I have a problem with them having a problem with him sleeping with other women

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

64. they arent "dating" adn women that screw married men are pretty low. nt

[blueamy66]

122. And what about the married man that are screwing around on

their childrens' mother? While still married to their mother...

Did you really post that on this board???

[seabeyond]

125. are you really suggesting that one doesnt respect the person that has sex with a married

that must mean the married who is cheating isnt responsible.

how about

and i will say it plainly

the cheater is piece of shit
the person that screws someone they know is married is a piece of shit

i know we like to say that someone who fucks a married person holds no responsibility in it all. that is bullshit. the person knows they are a part of hurting someone, a mate and kids.... and they dont care. piece of shit

[Political Heretic]

188. Interesting that you single out the single women, not the married man.

[seabeyond]

189. the subthread is about the person screwin the married person. are you suggesting

that if one doesnt respect a person that will screw a married person it means they have no issue with a person that cheats. are you really telling me cause i didnt say bad cheater.... that is the only conclusion you can come to

that there are two posters that are bothered that a person doesnt think much of the person who fucks a married person is telling

[AspenRose]

209. Well, see, the fact that you singled out the woman FIRST and clarified LATER

that your sentiments also include the man....that makes you a closet misogynist and a self-loathing woman.

(Yeah, I've been accused of that, too.)

[seabeyond]

211. tiger/the "others", so what . it was the "dating" that caught my eye. dating my fuckin ass, lol.

they are screwin a married man. lol

ah well.

[KharmaTrain]

48. Would You Buy A Buick From The Man...

That's the real question here. Large corporations have thrown millions at him to be their "role model" whose power of personality will make you willing to buy the shoes or razor blades or widgets he has to peddle. Now will you think negatively on Nike or Buick or whomever cause he is their spokesperson? That's the multi-million dollar question being bantered about in the corporate board rooms and advertising agencies. The longer this thing drips, the more damage that is done to "Tiger" the brand name.

I too could care less if he screwed around on his wife and with whom. Surprise...he's a human...and surely with his fame he was a target for many amorous eyes out there. Power can be a big aphrodisiac. And also I'll bet he's used to living a pampered life...getting his way and thinking that he's smarter than everyone else (a common trait on those who philander). It's up to his wife to hold the ultimate judgement on their relationship. But when he tries to sell me a pair of shoes I'm gonna laugh.

Someone posted a far better reason to be critical of Tiger...the companies he keeps and his relative silence on support of civil rights. The other night I chatted with a friend...a sports reporter who covered golf and saw Tiger grow over the years. When I asked him if he had ever seen or heard about Tiger going after the "19th Hole Honeys", he said "no comment"...and then related how impersonal and boorish he had become.

:hi:

[CatWoman]

53. now 'THAT'S' what "I" have a problem with!!!

his relative silence on support of civil rights

:hi:

[roguevalley]

118. me too, that and dubai

[avaistheone1]

194. Dubai doesn't like cheaters female or male.

Off with Tiger's head!

[roguevalley]

207. they like slavery and apparently Tiger has nothing to say about it.

[avaistheone1]

208. without his head he wouldn't.

[WeDidIt]

49. None of my business

and more distracting than a balloonboy story.

[David Zephyr]

54. I agree. But I do have a problem with sanctimonious, gaybashing hypocrites who cheat.

These people are fair game for all the shit they get.

[Jackeens]

58. Is he 'gaybashing'?

Seriously, I didn't know that he was.

I double-checked that GQ interview he did, when he was 21, where he told some seriously crap 'jokes' - eg "Lesbians get places so quickly because they're always going 69" - but I'd categorise that as dim, rather than gay-bashing. Has there been other stuff?

[David Zephyr]

69. Jackeens, my post wasn't clear enough. I'm sorry.

Tiger Woods has never to my knowledge ever said or done anything against the GLBT community. I like Tiger Woods.

My comment was not about Tiger, but in agreement with the OP in that people's private lives are private and they should be left in peace, with the exception of those who set themselves up as the morality police and persecute others (something Tiger has never done).

I loathe how the media is hounding this man and his wife and their family.

And I'm sorry for my foggy message.

[Jackeens]

74. Ah David, I'M sorry!

It's embarrassing how often I misread posts - so sorry for misreading yours.

:toast:

[David Zephyr]

83. You are too sweet.

My post was ambiguous. I should have been more clear. But here's a toast to you, too. :toast:

[CatWoman]

87. so are you

:hi:

[Jackeens]

102. Back off CatWoman, he's mine

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

103. ROFL!!!!

:rofl:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

182. That's how I feel too. I think it's silly people are so mad at Tiger.

This issue is between his wife and him.

I don't think any differently of him than I did a month ago, mainly because I don't put ANY celebrity on a pedestal.


Also, how are we to know exactly what his wife did and didn't know? Maybe she's just mad that he got caught.... I'm sure we'll eventually find out, and that is sad. It should be their private issue, unless his wife WANTS to tell her story.

[lynne]

61. I don't have a problem with atheletes or celebrities living their lives as they see fit -

- as my support of them is based upon their sport or their entertainment value and not their character or integrity. If I really don't like something about them, I quit supporting them by not attending their games, buying their merchandise or watching their movies.

BUT I do have a problem with politicians cheating. Politician's get our vote by asking us to trust them. They commit to specific ideals, beliefs and goals to garner our votes. Commitment to those values is what politicians are selling in order to get our votes. I hold politicians to a higher standard than I do celebrities. IMO, if they cannot be committed to those closest to them then I cannot trust them to be committed to their expressed political beliefs, values and ideals.

With politicians, it's all about character. With celebrities, not so much.

[goclark]

141. I feel the same way you do ~ John Edwards really upset me

He was risking the entire Democratic Party/process, Tiger is risking some tennis shoes and other products.

[immoderate]

62. Spitzer stands out here...

Spitzer, though probably the best public servant in the bunch, prosecuted people for the same shit he was doing. That is unacceptable. :mad:

--imm

[proteus_lives]

65. He's a public figure and all the good and bad that comes with it.

You're right, it's between him and his wife. But he is in the public eye so people will discuss it. Just like they do when it happens to a friend of family member.

Yes, people aren't perfect but cheating on your spouse reveals a huge character flaw and makes me think far less of a person.

[seabeyond]

67. between him and his wife.... and the so far 9 screwin around partners. nt

[proteus_lives]

73. Ha. Very true.

I've never understood why people get involved with married folks. It's such a bad idea.

[seabeyond]

75. seems to becoming a trend. badge of.... well not honor, maybe glory. nt

[proteus_lives]

95. That's an ugly trend.

There's nothing honorable or glorious about hurting someone or breaking a vow.

[blondeatlast]

128. And it seems to be becoming QUITE acceptable. This "between the spouses" thing isn't really okay

by me--and the best way to combat its increasing acceptability is by calling out the famous who do it.

Full disclosure--I'm getting divorced because Mr. B@L cheated--and continued to and is to this day. All of our friends know what he did and I'm tired of the pitiful looks and whispers from them. It hurts--and my son is aching so badly.

[seabeyond]

130. i agree. call it what it is. someone wants to do it, fine. their choice. but respect

or thinking much of the person doesnt come along with the choices made.

and you..... has nothing to do with you. you made no choice to be a piece of shit. all about the cheaters and their choices. i have seen too many people hurt, children always.

[closeupready]

173. That's what I don't get.

Media stories claim that Elin is humiliated.

I understand what that means on one level, but on another level, since it's totally Tiger Woods' inability to make a commitment that is the spectacle here, she has no need to feel humiliated, unless you are someone who sees wives as possessing that stereotypical nuclear wife role of 'keeping the man happy or else he'll stray' thing. In my opinion, that's not only NOT Elin's responsibility, but NO sopuse has a responsibility for the behavior of their other half. So no need for humiliation.

[seabeyond]

175. ya. i havent seen anything on tv. i dont watch. lol. but

that is what they do, put the humiliation on the one cheated on. stupid. and wrong. hurtful enough what a person has to go thru to have that dumped on them

[dustbunnie]

134. Well, since this exact behavior has been going on since the beginning of time

I'd say that's a definite "trend" happening there. :)

[seabeyond]

135. in the past the person who would cheat with a married person was thought poorly of

there was some social repercussion. not so much today. free game attitude. that is the difference.

[dustbunnie]

142. I disagree completely.

Forget about biblical times when men could own harems. Kings and noblemen have always had official and unofficial strange on the side and no one's ever batted an eye. The Europeans have always been open about it right to the middle of the last century when it started to be less cool. And in the US, since the day "celebrity" was invented, they've been screwing each other like crazy.

But oddly enough, aside from all that, I'm not seeing the big acceptance in the case of Tiger Woods. Nor was there any for Bill Clinton. Or any of the others whose peccadilloes have hit the fan.

I don't know what utopia you think the past is, but it's non-existent. Or perhaps now that you're older and married (if I'm not mistaken) you've become more conservative and insulated, and have forgotten what has always been out there.

[seabeyond]

145. i do know when i was growing up, screwin around with a married man was frowned on

and i do know today that there is actually discussion of whether we even think twice because after all, that person has not made vows.

yes

it is a trend

with normal society.

the wealthy have always lived in a different world

[dustbunnie]

154. Tiger Woods, and anyone else we're likely to discuss are wealthy and connected.

If your judgments about society are based on what you read on message boards and in the tabloids, then I'm sorry for you. Through those lens, the world must be a scary, horrible place. But it isn't real.

In reality, the Tiger Woods get raked over the coals, as do the Spitzers, the Haggards and all the rest of them. Many of them have their careers and marriages wrecked. Just like everybody else. There are a zillion divorces every day, a lot of them over cheating. So where is all this acceptance?

When you were growing up, people jumped into bed as a way of breaking the ice before even knowing someone's name. Sex on drugs with a bunch of people was even better. Your generation helped spawn the aids and herpes epidemic. It's kind of funny that you're pointing fingers at the morals of today.

[seabeyond]

157. so worked up bunnie. "Many of them have their careers and marriages wrecked."

are you suggesting it is the bad ole media and public that have their marriages and carreers wrecked, or do these men have any responsibility this happens to them?

i am well aware what my generation has created. i dont have "issues" owning our part.

tabloids and message boards? real life. to fabricate an argument with who and what you think i am is a waste of time.

[dustbunnie]

160. Lol, considering your numerous responses on this thread, I'd say it's you who's worked up.

I'm stating facts. I'm saying that just like everybody else, when wealthy men or women cheat, the fallout means they lose stuff... jobs, marriages, etc. Unlike the average person who becomes a pariah only within their own social circles, the whole world gets to laugh at them.

Am I right? Bon, so all this acceptance you're talking about is basically not there.

[seabeyond]

163. i have not argued that bunnie. you need to re read the first post i made.

my statement was that it is becoming more acceptable for a person to go after a married person. that simple. all the rest is an argument you are having that i have not argued.

[dustbunnie]

168. Well, that is not true either.

Where can you possibly be getting this stuff, except out of tabloid trash, celebrity gossip? It's not acceptable at all.

Look at all the names this Rachel woman has been called just on DU alone. The Edwards mistress has been, and continues to be, flayed alive. The Spitzer prostitute was dissected head to toe.

The difference is that now, more than ever, people are willing to actually put the blame on the cheating spouse and not just "the homewrecker" in the red cocktail dress. :eyes: That's what happens when you aim for gender equality.

[seabeyond]

172. not true either. ... no either

i wasnt in that conversation with you

[dustbunnie]

183. Huh? Put it this way...

People don't approve of cheaters any more than they ever have.

People don't absolve or accept the other man/woman any more than they ever have either, but cheating men no longer get a pass with the excuse that some vixen mesmerized him or his wife doesn't put out enough.

This "society is falling apart" stuff is just chicken little nonsense.

[seabeyond]

195. and i think it is a trend that the "other" feels no responsibility in their action. nt

[dustbunnie]

198. Baloney. It fits into your agenda is all.

Thankfully the world isn't how you paint it.

[seabeyond]

199. then i guess we simply disagree dustbunnie. surprise. nt

[dustbunnie]

200. Yep, and the facts are on my side. n/t

[seabeyond]

201. ya, right

rollin eyes.

[dustbunnie]

202. Lol, for some reason you just crave for the world to be going down the drain.

Back in the day, having a mistress was par for the course for Europeans and wealthy Americans. Do you think those ladies gave a damn about the wife at home? No, they didn't.

Back in the day, women were relegated to shitty, low paying jobs and one of the best ways to make it financially was to make it with the boss. Did those ladies care about morals? No. Did they care if they stole a successful businessman away from his wife? Haha, no.

Did Elizabeth Taylor care about stealing Eddie Fischer away from "Tammy" aka Debbie Reynolds? No. Did she lose work? No. Neither did any of the other "other" women of Hollywood. Of which there have always been plenty.

After the backlash following the aids/herpes epidemic, there's been less societal approval for people having affairs than there was in the wild 60's and 70's.

So much for your "trend." Maybe you just read too many message boards and tabloid trash.

[Deja Q]

66. He's a celebrity. I DO have a problem with his self-imposed double-standards and hypocrisy.

Sorry, but I cannot agree with you.

Cheating is cheating.

Are you married? People aren't perfect, so edify us: If you were cheated on, what would you do? Especially if hubby brought home a shiny new disease... maybe an ultimately lethal one for good measure.

People are not perfect, but there is a line.

Like the article I posted yesterday that got the negative recs, while someone else posted the same thing and got positive recs...

[inna]

72. is there a link?

"Like the article I posted yesterday that got the negative recs, while someone else posted the same thing and got positive recs... "

[CatWoman]

77. I prefer not to crusade against things I have no way of changing

[riderinthestorm]

80. These people have children. I have a problem with it.

They have families with youngsters who are deeply affected by their parent's grotesque infidelities.

Get a fucking divorce if you want to fuck around but don't put your kids through this kind of celebrity nightmare. Those kids are hounded too.

Once a celebrity has a shitty affair, and they have children, I DO have a problem with it cuz they of all people understand the fall-out for their kids.

That's crap. Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, Elliot Spitzer... all of them aren't just dealing with adults, they have very real children whose lives will never be the same after their dads were this despicable. These acts were between consenting adults WITH young children. That matters imho.

[malaise]

82. True but since M$Greedia is obsessed with

ratings, we'll be watching this all the way to the New Yer

[CatWoman]

90. Hi M

:hi:

Haven't seen you in a while -- I've been getting home late and missing the Tweety and Big Ed threads :)

[Nikki Stone1]

92. Actually, I do, and I'll tell you why:

America was asked to buy into Tiger Woods, not just as a great athlete, but as the great breaker of racial barriers, in golf and in American society. Yes, this was a crassly commercial act on the part of Nike ("I am Tiger Woods") and other sponsors, but many Americans needed a symbol like Tiger, in the same way they needed a symbol like Barack Obama. For African Americans, Tiger and Barack are symbols of breaking through the white power structure and achieving the ultimate status; for whites, they are symbols of the evolution and the healing & redemption of a nation. Tiger was MORE than an athlete, in the same way that Barack is (to many) more than just a president.

When you carry that symbolic status and CRASSLY let your sponsors use it to sell sneakers and the like, you should at least have the decency to protect that status: not for you or your greedy, jaded sponsors, but for the people affected by that symbolism: the nation that needs what you represent, black and white, and the kids most of all. If you are going to cheat, do it discreetly and in moderation. Don't jump every hot girl you see like there's no tomorrow and leave yourself open to being seen as someone with uncontrollable sexually urges who doesn't think twice about the consequences to his wife and children...and his nation.

I

[inna]

106. exactly.

great post, as (almost) always, Nikki. :)

[roguevalley]

119. "I am Tiger Woods" I remember those little kids. :(

[blondeatlast]

129. Word. nt

[Boojatta]

191. "If you are going to cheat, do it discreetly and in moderation."

Are you saying that it's okay for people to cheat, provided that they don't get caught?

Don't jump every hot girl you see like there's no tomorrow

What if he successfully refrained from jumping 95% of the hot women he saw? Would he then be almost faithful?

[tammywammy]

99. At least I'm not the only one that doesn't care about Tiger Woods n/t

[Mind_your_head]

100. If you don't have any kind of "problem" with it....then, "we, the public" shouldn't

even be discussing it. Even less so, starting a thread on a public discussion board about it.

Sometimes, silence is best (albeit, not ALWAYS is 'silence' best....)

Peace,
M_Y_H

[CatWoman]

104. there's absolutely nothing "silent" about me.....

[kayla9170]

105. Why I Have a Problem with Tiger is

His Father was African-American and his Mother is Thai. The end of that means that Tiger was half African-American and Asian. Similar to our President Obama. Instead of Tiger doing ANYTHING to promote either his African-American and/or Asian decent, he did everything possible to portray himself as Caucasian in EVERY WAY. He only dated (or in this case cheated repeatedly) with Caucasian women, he married a Swedish Caucasian woman, he did nothing that I of know to assist the African-American and/or Asian communities in anyway financially or otherwise.

Now, since the blinders are off on Tiger's life, he is being treated like the minority he is. If Tiger was actually Caucasian, like he THOUGHT he was....the serial cheater story would barely be a beep on the MSM radar. Frankly, it would not be a story that anyone the the Non-Minority based Media would be interested in. Only because half African-American/half Asian Tiger was the ONE of the first minorities to break into the Lilly-Caucasian World of Golf and made lots of money doing it....this is a main everyday story.

See what Tiger forgot is that it does not matter how many Caucasian women you date, have sex with or marry, how much you make every attempt possible to run "Far-Far Away" from your minority status, how much money you make, how much you try and fit into the "image" of what a Non-Minority, Minority....should be like....in the end, when the crap hits the fan.....you will be treated by those people that you attempted to be like...like the African-American/Asian person you really are.

Only thing now....Tiger cannot come back looking for support for the African-American community as we are laughing inside at him. The Asian community does not want the shame that Tiger's serial cheating will bring upon their community, so they will shun him too. The Caucasian based corporate board masters and golf sponsors will began to wonder if Tiger is marketable enough to continue filling their coffers and with the continuing sexual based issues of Mr. Woods leaking out....will put Tiger into a corner for a new "Front Man"....minus the "Drip-Drip" of exposed sexual information issues.

Tiger did this crap to himself and the pain he will feel and continue to feel is SO deserved. I just hope that his wife and children can find a way to out live this......and Elin...take him to the bank as he so richly deserve it.

[HipChick]

133. Actually Tiger's Father was 50% black,25% White and 25% native american

How much claim does the African-American community really want to put on him? Robert De Niro only dates black woman...has be been accused of portraying himself as black?...

[goclark]

143. Yep, there is a section of the AA brain

especially the African American women that are saying, " Tiger -- I told you so, always messing with Blondes!"

Just being honest.

By the way, I am an African American woman and that is what my friends are saying.

Now I didn't say it makes sense because he could have done the same thing to a Sister but somehow in our brain it's different.

Ex: Michael Jordan ~ we were so happy that she left him and got a huge paycheck for it ~ one of the biggest in America as I recall. And we still adore Michael Jordan for his ability on the court.

In our world it is always a plus when an important AA male marries one of our own. That makes us proud.

[HipChick]

158. I don't understand it...that's why US being post-racial is a farce..

and Europe continues to lead in that area

[goclark]

166. Huum, maybe slavery in America was a piece of it

And maybe the number of our role models are not as high as others.

Maybe it is because our ecomoic base is not as high as others or the number of our children that STILL can not get into major colleges etc. etc. etc.

[MellowDem]

181. Tiger is 1/4th African American...

and didn't identify as African American. He's mostly Asian actually, and perhaps was raised more in that culture than anything else.

And the difference some AA women may see between a blonde white and a black woman has nothing to do with the AA brain but rather it has to do with bigotry. And it's not just some AA women who see the difference either. But let's just be honest and call it what it is: bigotry.

And it's the same with the idea that an important AA male marrying one of "their own" is a plus. It's bigotry. And it's sad how long racial bigotry has hung around and continues to. I view Tiger as multi-racial, or in other words, lacking in any identifiable race, mostly because it's nice to know that no race can then "claim" him. And it turns the whole stupid "idea" of race onto its head.

[marshall]

184. His wife is a blonde, but aren't most of the mistresses brunettes?

He basically married the daughter of the Swedish version of Hillary Clinton and cheated on her with a series of trashed up versions of Sarah Palin. That is the real irony and stigma here.

[Lorien]

162. For the record: he's mostly Thai nt

[jobycom]

115. It's not that I don't have a problem with cheating, but I don't know a thing about these people.

I don't know what they've worked out with their spouses. I don't know what their spouses know. I don't even know that their spouses aren't doing the same thing, more often, and first. I don't know how anyone can believe the media anyway, so I don't even know what happened.

In that sense, I don't care. I watch Tiger golf and endorse, I voted for Clinton twice (and would a third time if possible) to run the executive branch of the White House. I'm not the guardian of their morality or marital vows. That's between their spouses and them.

And because someone has to say it, men aren't the only ones who cheat. There are a lot of celebrity women we can add to that list. It's interesting to see how the media treats them differently.

[goclark]

144. You made some very good points IMO nt

[seabeyond]

148. i didnt like clinton, pissed at his policies and had to vote and stick up for him

because of the rw witchhunt from repugs.

i feel the same with the others. bottom line.... go play golf tiger. and that really is all he is about to me. the rest is crap. so he is a jerk. as is clinton and the others, but seperate of what they do.

[earth mom]

117. It's none of our business yes, but let's be honest. It makes them all look like assholes.

Especially when there are numerous affairs, flings, one night stands or whatever it's called these days while these dudes insist that they still "love" their wives.

Yeah, right. :eyes:

I always thought Hillary should have kicked Bill to the curb and I now think the same about Elizabeth Edwards and Tigers wife, Elin too.

[vssmith]

123. With Clinton I didnt have a problem with the morality

but his judgment has to come into question. Why was he willing to take such a risk and in the oval office.

[LWolf]

124. I have a problem with all cheaters.

I don't respect them.

I don't trust them not to cheat in other areas of their lives.

Since they are willing to treat their SO badly, I don't trust them to treat anyone else with respect or integrity.

Since they don't value their word, I don't trust anything they say.

But then, I've had, not one but TWO cheating husbands. I think I can be forgiven for judging cheaters harshly.

I've never made athletes my heroes or valued their celebrity status, so this is just one more man that should have stayed single. This is the first, and only, post I've made on a Woods thread.

[seabeyond]

126. don't trust them not to cheat in other areas of their lives.

character of who they are. doesnt just stay in one small part of their life. and i have never had someone cheat on me. still, says something about the person

[Captain Hilts]

169. Yep. nt

[AzDar]

127. Sure is fun to watch, though... ain't it?

:rofl:

[Lorien]

165. No, it distracts from real issues that actually DO affect our lives

the Woods story only other purpose is to help millions of people feel morally superior to others. It's pitiful. The entire show makes the MSM and the people eating it up look absolutely pathetic (I don't watch television but by the number of threads on this topic I can tell that it's a feeding frenzy out there).

[BolivarianHero]

132. I would have supported impeaching Bill Clinton...

If you want to restrict the civil rights and the relationships of same-sex couples, every last one of your indiscretions becomes the public's business.

[closeupready]

180. While I did not support his impeachment at the time, you make an excellent point, in a new light.

At the time, gay marriage was so far off the radar screen, it wasn't even part of reality. I just always felt, on a personal level, that, so what if he's having an affair - not my business.

But now that times have changed and we have all spent lots of time discussing civil rights of gay and lesbian people and how they are discriminated against in favor of heterosexuals, I would have to reconsider my opposition, if it were to happen now.

[BolivarianHero]

210. That's true...

I was 14 or 15 when that scandal took place, and I opposed impeachment at the time. Presentism is a logical fallacy in that you can't defend the Tsar because of Stalin's crimes.

[Iggo]

136. Same problem I have with any man who cheats on his wife.

They're assholes who can't be trusted.

[seabeyond]

139. or, to be fair, woman that cheats on husband. nt

[Iggo]

140. Yes, of course.

It works both ways.

[closeupready]

137. Do you have a problem that (as is alleged) he didn't use condoms with these 'hostesses'?

??

[goclark]

146. Didn't know that ~ I have a major problem with that issue nt

[closeupready]

149. These are allegations from a story in the UK's Daily Telegraph, which is considered quasi-tabloidish

However, the allegations appear to be made by at least two of his alleged mistresses:

>>More lurid claims

Jaimee Grubbs who broke the news to Us Weekly that she had a 31-month affair with Tiger Woods, says the golfer never wanted to use protection.

"He didn't use a condom," says Grubbs, who adds that Woods also didn't ask if she was on birth control, either. "It wasn't even discussed. He just never used one."

Apparently, he also didn't use condoms while bedding 33-year-old restaurant manager Mindy Lawton, according to Lawton's sister, Lynn. "She said he never wore condoms," Lynn told British tabloid, News of the World. "I was so worried she might catch a disease, especially as we suspected he was promiscuous."<<

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/golf/tiger-woods-linked-to-porn-star-as-he-secretly-meets-wife-elin/story-e6frey60-1225808032650

[cbdo2007]

147. Tiger must have wanted to get caught....check this out from ABC News:

For one year, beginning in 2006, Lawton said she and Woods regularly saw each for sex, partying at Orlando's Blue Martini club and having sex in the golfer's home and in his car parked in a church parking lot.

One of those backseat trysts was reportedly caught on film by photographers working for the National Enquirer in 2007. The story was quashed and the affair covered up when Woods agreed to appear on the cover of Men's Fitness, a title also owned by American media, in a quid pro quo with the publishing company, according to U.K.'s Mirror tabloid.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tiger-woods-women-linked-alleged-affairs/story?id=9270076

-------------------------------------------------

So he knew this was going to come out eventually and he even started seeing MORE women, in public, in bars in Vegas and such!! Hey, I love Tiger for his golf - best golfer that ever lived, but what a major, major dumbass!!

[goclark]

170. Oops ~ Tiger is not looking good if this happened IMO nt

[FBaggins]

150. I have a problem with itl

But yes... it's not my business.

A political figure is a somewhat different matter, but not an athlete.

But I won't say "I have no problem with it" - I do.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

151. thank you. i wish this was the LAST thing i ever heard about this woods non story

its none of our fucking business

[Lorien]

164. +1. nt

[Fire1]

159. My sentiments, exactly! n/t

[Enthusiast]

171. Why bother with wedding vows?

Why bother with a marriage at all, if you have no intentions of being monogamous?

[onenote]

179. especially when there are so many women ready willing and able to ignore the fact

that the person they're sleeping with is married.

Ever hear the term "starfucker"?

Woods acted like a jerk. And he had many women that helped him.

[loyalkydem]

174. I am so relieved

I turned off Stephanie Miller because today because that's all she wanted to talk about.

[B Calm]

177. I hear Tiger is changing his name to Cheetah. . . So many holes to play. .

[Forkboy]

178. I care what he does with golf balls, not his own.

:)

[butterfly77]

185. K&R..

[cynatnite]

186. I don't give a flying rats ass who he fucked or anybody else...dem, repuke, or whatever...

This is just tabloid crap and a complete waste of energy. Maybe we should have a forum dedicated to who is fucking who. I imagine the ones who post the most are the ones who declare how much they don't care. :eyes:

[Political Heretic]

187. What about Larry Craig?

:shrug:

[Ken Burch]

190. I don't have a problem with Clinton or Woods being unfaithful to their wives

(OK, I do think it's wicked skeevy, but that's beside the point)

What I do have a problem with with those guys is what ELSE they were unfaithful to.

In the case of Bill Clinton, working people and the poor(especially poor women, like his mother had been). Bill never showed ANY loyalty to them. They were always expendable in terms of short-term political "stragegy" and his own PERSONAL survival, or a big check and an invitation to a buffet from an anti-union CEO. The powerless defended Clinton over and over, but did he EVER stand up for them? Even Marian Wright Edelman finally "got it" about BILL and HRC in the end. When you throw impoverished single mothers under the bus, you're on the OTHER side.

In the case of Tiger Woods, his utter disloyalty to and indifference towards the heritage of the civil rights movement and his refusal to EVER denounce people like Rush and O'Reilly when they used his personal achievements as a way to mock and dismiss all OTHER people of color. Tiger never once said to people like that "hey, back off, asshole. You can't use me to attack people who look like me". Tiger let himself be turned into the most famous sports world house slave since Michael Jordan.

Those were the real infidelities.

[DFW]

197. As long as it's not my wife who's doing the consenting, it's not my concern

[Thickasabrick]

204. I am really afraid that all this is going to get to him and he will off

himself. He has always had his privacy and now it's 24/7 Tiger.

I'm sure the MSM will feel really guilty if that happens....not.

[G_j]

205. thank you

I've always felt that way too. It's nice to hear someone vocalize it.

[rebecca_herman]

206. Yes, it's not my life but...

....that doesn't mean I can't think less of someone who clearly hurt someone they made a vow/promise to.