Got prescribed BC pills...was told by "friend" I was going to burn in hell

[cherish44]

WARNING ** Contains some descriptions of the monthly cycle of human females **









I went to my ob/gyn because my menstral periods have become very unbearable. We're talking having horrible cramps, having to change hygeine products every half hour and not even being able to leave the house because I'm afraid of "leakage" in public. Anyway...tests were done. No fibroids, no endometriosis, no cysts, no cancer (thank god) hormone levels are normal for a woman my age (42 years). Doc said it's probably just an unpleasant symptom of perimenopause and birth control pills would probably give some relief. OK well I was on the pill when I was younger, didn't have a problem with them so agreed to give it a shot.

I confided to a friend who I thought was a normal, nice person, about this problem she said that birth control pills were evil and I would be a "baby killer" if I took them. Well let's just say I was offended and told her I didn't believe that crap. She said..."Fine, burn in Hell if that's what you want". My jaw dropped to the floor. I knew this woman was religious but I didn't know she was religiously insane. Let's just say I've learned to never assume anyone isn't crazy just because they seem nice.

[tsuki]

1. Well, she'll be right there with you since she has taken the

role of God upon herself. Blasphemy is one of the big ten. Don't remember BC on the list.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

7. I think you need to look up the definition of blasphemy.

[guruoo]

20. 'the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.'

blas⋅phe⋅my
 
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Use blasphemy in a Sentence
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–noun, plural -mies.
1. impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
2. Judaism.
a. an act of cursing or reviling God.
b. pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) in the original, now forbidden manner instead of using a substitute pronunciation such as Adonai.
3. Theology. the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4. irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blasphemy

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Ahhh, was there ever a fundie/RWer/etc. you DIDN'T jump in defense of here?

No need to answer, that was rhetorical.

[Dogtown]

45. Xian apologist

at the very least, CPD.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. At the very least, LOL.

[Dogtown]

49. Talking *about* you, not to you.

I dislike the smell of damp earth and musty fur.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

68. I know, that's what I was laughing about.

It sounds like you might need to take a bath. :shrug: :rofl:

[kestrel91316]

88. Also a global warming denialist if I'm not mistaken. I'm onto him.

[Dogtown]

92. He dabbles in gun-fantasy, too, I believe.

[kestrel91316]

93. I have peered into my crystal ball and I see......

pepperoni with mushrooms in that oone's future. He's gonna slip up some day.

[Dogtown]

96. You're right, kestrel.

It seems that long-time trolls are in a pit of their own digging. They can only be a niggling disruption, lest they call too much attention to themselves. They do little damage. If they were true RW warriors, they'd get outed too fast.


The inherent futility of their hobby alludes them. They can only survive if they keep their disruption to minimal levels; hence they're only minimally effective. The frustration seemingly over-powers them, and they eventually spasm into a venom-spewing knot, chewing on their own tails.

Top of my list was OMC. Since his demise, this one has my attention.

[kestrel91316]

107. Something about this one WAY back when he first showed up on DU

bothered me. I don't remember exactly what. But now I see what is going on.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

111. Uh, a 1.000 batting average, perhaps?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

121. It's the self defense posts that have blinded you.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

109. Recent events have given me hope.

(Along with the resolution to make a donation when my star expires, but that's another story.)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

120. Keep on hoping. I'll still be here.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. This coming from an anti-vaxxer. That's some funny stuff.

[LeftishBrit]

100. Kestrel an anti-vaxxer??? She's one of the strongest defenders of vaccinations and modern medicine..

on this forum! And has herself administered plenty of vaccinations to four-legged patients.

Or did you intend to reply to someone else?

[kestrel91316]

108. TY. Indeed.

[kestrel91316]

106. WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF?

I mean, :wtf:

Oy. Sayeth kestrel the veterinarian and microbiology major, who very much favors vaccines and vaccination.

Do you ALWAYS just make shit up, Dave, or is today just a very bad day for you?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

113. So you and I think alike in regards to science. Watch out someone might call you a right winger.

[kestrel91316]

114. No one will mistake ME for a right-winger. I am not a gun nut or a

bible thumper or global warming denialist or obvious paid oil company apologist.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

115. Four more things we have in common.

[kestrel91316]

118. FAIL.

:rofl:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

119. I'm none of those things so yes you fail.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

117. My mistake I got the name wrong. I apologize.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

46. LOL. You see that as a defense? What about post # 9?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I hope the pills help you!

And your friend can take a hike. I hope she never experiences your difficulties!

As if you were going to get pregnant at this age anyhow!

Some people just don't get it, do they?

:eyes: -->for her


:hug: -->for you!

[Mad_Dem_X]

47. I agree!

[raccoon]

50. +1.

This "friend" sounds like a judgemental idiot.

[newspeak]

97. I had your symptoms

my older friend told me that during those times to elevate my feet, even when I went to bed. Two years later, viola!!!! No more problems.

[John N Morgan]

3. Now it's not just aborting a fetus. Remember this re: those folks "Perfection is a moving target"

It doesn't matter that you need to stabilize your period. Maybe you just wanted to be a responsible adult and not have a child yet.

[napi21]

21. No BC pills was taught in Catholic schools for a very long time!

Probably since they came on the market. I remember many religion classes stating that there is only ONE BC that is accepted by the Catholic Church and that was the rythem method. They even taught that women weren't allowed to say "not tonight" to their husband...it is your duty as a wife to service him, even if your sick.

Obviously I was raised Catholic and I still go to church, but not EVERY Sunday, but I questioned some of their teachings even back in class. BTW, I'm 66 now.

[dmr]

28. I remember those days. I used the Rhythm Method too for a while.

There was always the worry the Method wouldn't work - whether you're safe from the varying phases of ovulation. I switched to an IUD. It was liberating!

Back in those days, we use to tell people, and sometimes, even the priest, that since they weren't the ones who'd bear responsibility for the "accidents", they should MYOB - they had no stake in the decision.

I hate this backward intrusion these nosy and noisy people are inflicting upon our society.

[paulsby]

40. the only rhythm method i use

is schtupping to the stones (rolling that is)!

[niyad]

31. remember the old joke: "what do they call catholics who use they rhythm method? answer: parents"

got tossed out of the rcc for arguing reproductive rights and papal authority with the archbishop. old guy wasn't amused at being challenged, and corrected, by a FEMALE.

[napi21]

32. No doubt! U di;t jniw uf you heard Chris Marrhews last week,

but he was arguing with that Bishop that told the Senator he shouldn't receive communion because of his stance on pro choice. Without gounging through the whole interview (mainly because I can't remember every word) he said "Bishop, you already admitted you are not a legislator and don't know the law. You aren't willing to demand jail time for any woman who gets an abortion. Your job is to teach, and you failed. Now you want to use the law to get what you want! Bishop, you really should do your job better and let the congress legislate!" I was very impressed! That was the best argument I've ever heard against the imovable pro-choice people!

BTW, his interview is posted on Youtube. Just search for Matthews Bishop.

[FBaggins]

77. I remember being told that Natural Family Planning

was a very natural way to plan to have a family. :)

[paulsby]

39. that's because

every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, and if a single sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate...

[raccoon]

51. So why isn't a male who masturbates guilty of a felony? :sarcasm:

By these people's convoluted logic, that's where you arrive.

[drmeow]

81. Ah - the famous Vatican roulette

[Arkana]

74. But don't you see?

Sex is a filthy, dirty, evil thing to do and you should only do it if you want to make babies and otherwise you will ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.

What? NO DON'T LOOK IN MY CLOSET THATS WHERE I KEEP THE METH AND WHORES

[leftstreet]

4. Tell her her husband insisted n/t

[donheld]

17. +1

:rofl:

[pipi_k]

53. bwahahahahahah

:evilgrin:

[susanr516]

72. Good one!

I almost choked on a LifeSaver!

:rofl: :spray: :rofl:

[Skittles]

5. dump that gal

she's garbage

[maglatinavi]

6. bc

That shows you!!!:eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy:

[OhioChick]

8. Sinner!

Just joking. :P

Hope you feel better soon. :)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. Don't worry about the opinions of the ignorant. Hope things improve.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. When yuo meet ideology facts don't matter

Hope you get better soon and chiefly that they work for what they were prescribed. Side effects of what you are having, chiefly low iron levels, are not pleasant. Hell they could be down right dangerous.

[The Straight Story]

11. Sorry to hear that

Some people just suck.

[ohheckyeah]

12. I hope the pills help your situation.

As for the "friend"....she's an idiot. I wonder where she finds the admonition to not use birth control in the Bible.

[riderinthestorm]

13. I've been told I'm going to hell because I don't go to church on Sundays

Lived in Wheaton IL for 24 years and the first question you are asked when you meet someone is "what church do you go to?"

"None."

Followed by a pregnant pause, and a query about my faith (atheist) would be enough for most folks but there is that percentage who can't leave well enough alone and want to tell you how hot hell will be....

Growing up as a fundie christian, I'm happy to spew the theology on this till the cows come home. Doesn't make it right or true.

You are a good person. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :hug: Hope you are feeling better already....

[TlalocW]

33. I'm a childfree, non-church goer in Tulsa, OK

I was told by my boss at my first real job after I moved here that the first two questions people will ask upon meeting me for the first time will be, "What church do you go to," and "How many kids do you have?" We shared a laugh when I told him, "Well, I'm going to piss off a lot of people." He was a good guy.

Even more fun - a friend of mine went back to college in his mid to late 20s and chose Baptist Bible College, in Springfield, Missouri, as he's fairly religious and wanted to become a youth minister. He didn't agree with their restrictions on television, music, and movie-going though (even built a sound booth in his university apartment so he could record music). Anyway, I visited him one weekend, starting on Friday, and attended classes with him.

First off, the men have to wear ties, preferably with jackets, and the women modest dresses. I walked around campus in tennis shoes, and a Superman t-shirt on. One class we attended was Spanish, which was one of my majors. We were given an in-class assignment that I helped his group with so we finished before everyone else. One member of the group and I had this conversation.

Him: So where did you go to college?
Me: My undergrad was Pittsburg State in Kansas, and I did some grad work at Oklahoma State.
Him: Ah, Stillwater, Oklahoma, and Eskimo Joe's.
Me: Oh, you know Eskimo Joe's?
Him: Yeah, we would drive there when there was a good band playing. I'm originally from Tulsa.
Me: Oh, that's where I live now.
Him: What church do you go to?
Me: (forgetting where I am) Oh, I don't attend church.
* Uncomfortable pause *
Him: Well, if you're interested, there's a good church at 101st and...
Me: That was *YOUR* church, wasn't it?
Him: Well, yeah...
Me: (realizing how to get out of it) Actually, I do go to church every now and then - St. Francis de Guadalupe - to practice my Spanish. Ever hear of it?
Him: (sourly) Yes.

He didn't speak to me the rest of the class. My friend congratulated me on using southern Baptists' natural dislike of Catholics to get the guy to leave me alone.

TlalocW

[a la izquierda]

57. ahh, welcome to my world...

non-churchgoer (and lapsed Catholic to boot) in Norman, OK.
i get the dirty looks when churchy topics come up.

[kestrel91316]

89. I had my fill of fundie SoBaptists way back in the 70's in OH.

Next time one of them pries into my life asking what church I go to or worse yet, if I've been saved (before they even know my name), I'm gonna have some fun and tell them I worship Beelzebub.

[LibertyLover]

103. It's so much fun when you do that - the head exploding is quite amazing

Years ago I was deeply in the closet about being a pagan. At the time, my best friend and her family lived about an hour and a half north of me and I spent most weekends there. She knew of course that I was a pagan and so did her husband. They were quasi-active in the local Catholic church and I would go to mass with them, so knew a bunch of the folks in the congregation. One Saturday evening just before Christmas we had been shopping and stopped in at the local market to get some food for dinner. One of my friend's fellow parishioners came up and gave her a big hug and asked her how she was doing. How was she doing? Pretty crapped actually having been out in the teeming hordes for hours trying to get the last couple of Christmas gifts for her kids, her in-laws were coming the next day for dinner and . . . well, I'm sure you get the picture. She was actually quite restrained and muttered something about not too good. This guy goes into a mini-sermon right there at the meat counter about how God doesn't want you to be unhappy and she should turn to Him. I'd had enough. So I cut in with "Well, my goddess doesn't particularly care about that." He stopped and just looked at me. Finally he got the word "Goddess?" out. "Oh yes", I replied, "I worship Sekhmet, the Egyptian goddess of plague, death, war and destruction." And I gave him a big smile. The guy just stared at me a minute and then glanced at my friend, who smiled too. He backed up a pace or two, looked around at the other shoppers and shook his head and then left. A few years ago, I happened to see one of the people who had been in the store that day and was told that they still remember the time I got X to shut up about his religion.

[LibertyLover]

104. It's so much fun when you do that - the head exploding is quite amazing

Years ago I was deeply in the closet about being a pagan. At the time, my best friend and her family lived about an hour and a half north of me and I spent most weekends there. She knew of course that I was a pagan and so did her husband. They were quasi-active in the local Catholic church and I would go to mass with them, so knew a bunch of the folks in the congregation. One Saturday evening just before Christmas we had been shopping and stopped in at the local market to get some food for dinner. One of my friend's fellow parishioners came up and gave her a big hug and asked her how she was doing. How was she doing? Pretty crapped actually having been out in the teeming hordes for hours trying to get the last couple of Christmas gifts for her kids, her in-laws were coming the next day for dinner and . . . well, I'm sure you get the picture. She was actually quite restrained and muttered something about not too good. This guy goes into a mini-sermon right there at the meat counter about how God doesn't want you to be unhappy and she should turn to Him. I'd had enough. So I cut in with "Well, my goddess doesn't particularly care about that." He stopped and just looked at me. Finally he got the word "Goddess?" out. "Oh yes", I replied, "I worship Sekhmet, the Egyptian goddess of plague, death, war and destruction." And I gave him a big smile. The guy just stared at me a minute and then glanced at my friend, who smiled too. He backed up a pace or two, looked around at the other shoppers and shook his head and then left. A few years ago, I happened to see one of the people who had been in the store that day and was told that they still remember the time I got X to shut up about his religion.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

38. Same here. Church is most peoples' social life.

I get invited to church all the time and turn 'em down.

East Texas. Very conservative. Gak.

Tulsa is the PITS. My hubby had to get the hell out of there after a horrible experience trying to get a Master's in the Fundie Physics Dept. :wtf: at Tulsa U. and being married to an idiot fundie who went to an allegedly Methodist church.

He says he spent YEARS dissociating and being depressed because he had no one to talk to.

[mwb970]

41. I'm beginning to wonder if Oklahoma isn't our most backward state.

When you think "backward state", it's typical to think of Mississippi or Texas or maybe South Carolina (there are a number to choose from), but I'm wondering if Oklahoma doesn't deserve a closer look in this connection.

You have the emetic buffoon Sen. Inhofe. You have a solid statewide vote for McCain and the Goofball. You have the recent story that only 3% of Oklahoma students could pass the US citizenship test given to new immigrants. And there are many comments on this and other threads from people who have lived there that make me think that this state is a real contender for the Worst State In the Union title.

Or is it one of the others?

[GoCubsGo]

76. Nope, I think it's OK...

I live in South Carolina, and from everything I hear about Oklahoma, SC sounds downright enlightened in comparison. We at least have a number of relatively progressive pockets (Charleston, Columbia, parts of Greenville), which don't seem to exist in Oklahoma. And, IMO, Inhofe and Coburn are so goofy, they make DeMint, Sanford and Wilson look fairly normal. South Carolina's lunatics are being diluted by Northeastern Yankees who are moving here in droves to retire (cheaper than Florida), or to take advantage of cheap land for their horse farms. Oklahoma doesn't attract those types.

[Lisa0825]

14. I wouldn't call her a friend if you knew so little about her....

acquaintance perhaps?

I do not get close enough to any radical religious people to call them friends. My friends are a select group of people with whom I have a great deal of trust and closeness.... like family you get to choose.

[riderinthestorm]

19. I just posted on another thread about a client whose a Sarah Palin supporter

someone whose been a client for more than 20 years and with whom I have such a relationship that we joked about arranging a marriage between our tweeners so we could continue the good times indefinitely. We are that close.

I now classify her as a client instead of a friend because of her whacked out politics that have taken flight with Sarah Palin. She thinks Palin's women's best friend to politics. That Palin's going to transcend the glass ceiling for women Presidents.... She's actually thinking more about the feminism aspect of Sarah Palin's candidacy than the issues. We had a very intense, uncomfortable exchange.

Bottom line though, is sometimes "friends" surprise you. Sometimes someone you really thought you knew turns out to be something very different.

I've spent many years in a fundie town and I think I have a pretty sensitive radar to radical religious types. This woman and I shared a love of horses, fine wine, good dining, movies, theatre .... but never politics. Then wham.

You just never know.

[ZombieHorde]

15. Sounds predictable. nt

[Odin2005]

16. What a horrible, disgusting woman.

I've never heard anyone around here making such remarks. What part of the country are you in? :(

[FormerDittoHead]

75. +1. Funny how they think religion makes you a better person. What an ugly person she must be. n/t

[NMMNG]

18. Susan B. Anthony pegged people like that right

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. "

Tell her when she starts living your life she can start making your decisions for you.

[crazylikafox]

78. +1

[Rhiannon12866]

22. That is just awful!

One thing that I've learned is that you can never make judgments about this kind of thing unless you've walked in someone else's shoes. :grr:

I was also prescribed birth control pills back in the '90s for the exact same reason. I've always had painful and somewhat severe periods and the doctor I was seeing thought it might help. It never dawned on me to question it, since I had a close friend in college with the worst problems I'd ever heard about, since she was born with two uteruses (!), and she said that taking birth control pills finally made life bearable for her. x(

Unfortunately, after four years on the pills, the addition of the hormones made previously undetectable fibroids grow for me and I ended up with worse problems than my friend ever had. Seven years and three surgeries later, I'm normal again (I refused to have a hysterectomy, went to Mass General in Boston to avoid it), but the pills weren't the solution that I'd hoped for... :-(

Wishing you some relief with this... I promise you that the rest of us sure sympathize... :pals:

Edited to say how long I was on them. :-)

[YOY]

23. That ain't no "friend"

but I state the obvious.

[rebecca_herman]

24. Wonder what she'd say to me

I'm on the pill for medical reasons, I am not sexually active. Would she come up with some other excuse for why the pill is bad? Like I should have to suffer because God wants me to or some crap?

On a side note, I wonder what religion she is basing this on, even the Catholic church says the pill is ok if it's the only way to treat a medical problem.

[ChickMagic]

67. Oh yes. She is supposed to suffer because of Eve.

I flat out asked my priest if I could take BC pills for that
exact same medical problem and he just rolled his eyes and
said, "Of course you can." I was about to be married so
he knew I would be sexually active.

[tavalon]

87. Ah, the memories!

I was raised in the Southern Baptist religion but I always asked too many questions. I had doubts. Then, when I was to be married, I had to go to counseling with my pastor and we hit a snag around whether my husband would be the head of the household. I was told it was necessary and I argued that the two of us could run it together. We finally had to agree to disagree. I may have been 19 but I was a stubborn cuss and I left the church not too long after my marriage. It's been quite nice being rid of that pestilence for the last thirty or so years.

[kestrel91316]

90. I'm sure she'd say you're still killing babies, even if you are celibate.

These people are THAT stoopid.

[ChickMagic]

98. You never know, it might be another Jesus. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

26. So sorry, cherish. The key question is "Where are these crazy ideas coming from?" And why?

I may have an overly rosy view of life, but despite all of its transgressions (and, as a student of non-status-quo history, believe me, there were plenty), the U.S. of A. seemed to be a pretty reasonable place. Now, I hardly recognize it. I for one (and it appears that you make two) am utterly unwilling to give in to the new deranged America.

I'm sure we aren't alone. The problem is that our views aren't made widespread by the liberal (sic) media. So we think we are alone.

[progressoid]

27. Been there.

Well, not the periods/BC part - but the crazy co-worker part. It's frightening and a bit sad when that crazy part shows up.

I've recently had it happen with a couple clients too (Obama practicing voodoo in the White House etc.). I'm not a very good at covering up my shock and horror anymore so I have to quickly change the subject or I'd lose what few clients I have left. But if the economy does rebound, I'll be glad to cross them off my list.

[druidity33]

83. William Burroughs quote:

"If you're doing business with a religious son of a bitch get it in writing, his word isn't worth shit. Not with the Good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."



Sorry if that offends anyone. Just popped into my head when i read your post Progressoid.

;)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

29. That's what my doctor proscribed when I was having similar problems

I think I would have decked anyone who said anything that stupid (or make-up-your-own-theology-arrogant) as that.

[kenny blankenship]

30. I had a schizophrenic friend once, too.

That's it, no story. Crazy people aren't that interesting when you get to know them.

[KakistocracyHater]

34. weird isn't it? What is with this obsession over contraceptives?

Why do they feel it's "Godly" to live like an animal, with no control over fertility? Not many people can afford to live like those Quiverfulls; why give birth to more kids if you have children already going hungry? This seems beyond their moral comprehension.

[Greyhound]

35. That's the problem with followers of the Big Religions in my experience,

The belief itself requires such a complete departure from reason that you can just never trust them.
:kick: & R

[Touchdown]

36. I'm a man, but that offends me.

My sister had to take them in her teens & 20s. She had very painful periods and they helped her cope with them. I don't know how they work for that, but I was happy that she wasn't miserable one week out of every month of her life.

What an awful thing to say to somebody. I guess "burn in Hell" is a term of endearment or some kind of "tough love" to the religiously strident. :grr:

[TexasObserver]

37. Can I let you borrow my lack of restraint long enough to tell her off?

Two minutes ought to do the job.

I have a zero tolerance policy for assholes like that.

[gauguin57]

42. Sartre had it right: Hell is other people.

Or, as Ron Sexsmith puts it in his wonderful song "God Loves Everyone":

... There are no gates in heaven
Everyone gets in
Queer or straight
Souls of every faith
Hell is in our minds
Hell is in this life
But when it's gone
God takes everyone

http://www.ronsexsmith.com/music/songography/ron_lyrics.aspx?songid=14e1d6b2-b17b-405a-b9ae-7a5de31c488f

[SoCalDem]

43. Lesson # 1

The less you tell your friends about your medical conditions, the better.

These days "everyone" seems to have an opinion about everything you eat, drink, inhale, do, think, etc.

Just cross that "friend" off the list.. life's too short to hang around with judgmental 19th century types:)

[madokie]

44. I find there is no religiously sane people anywhere

if there is I haven't run into them in my 61 years.
its funny how religion trys to control you by threatening you with burning in hell for eternity. Religions main purpose is to control, it is nothing more than a tool used by some to control others. 3
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

[pipi_k]

52. You just can't deal with stupid, you know...

After the birth of my last child in 1974 I had some serious problems with (begging the pardon of the men here) bleeding...for four months straight.

It turned out to be a hormonal thing and I had to take BC pills, and they fixed it up, no more problems.

Anybody who wanted to...or may want to now...call me a "baby killer" because of that is barking up the wrong tree because that person wouldn't know that my body was not made for bearing children. All of my babies were premature and very very small. I'm Rh negative, which caused problems in two out of three pregnancies. And I had serious placenta infection/premature separation problems with the last.


In any case, I took the BC pills for about two years, and then stopped, at which time my cycles had been straightened out...got divorced and remarried, and the rest of my life until menopause never used another form of birth control. My body, in its wisdom, never had another pregnancy again.

Anyway, I'm sorry you had this experience with someone you thought was sane. I mean, I can see someone believing that they aren't for them, but to proclaim that someone else is going to hell for using them, that's just too much.

In any case, I would think twice before confiding anything more to this "friend".

[Kansas Wyatt]

54. Tell your friend to PROVE it.

Then tell the friend to STFU, until they can produce SOLID evidence proving their claim.

[Blue Diadem]

55. A similar judgement was said to me when I had my tubes tied.

Some people in my family were concerned for my soul and my eternal life.

I hope the pill works for you.

[southernyankeebelle]

56. Why are you shocked. You shouldn't be, that have been one of the movitates that the religious right

wants to take away from us. They truly believe that the birth control pill is evil. If it could be outlawed they would have done it already. A couple of years back I was watching tv early morning around 3:00 am, I couldn't sleep and this women was on tv with her husband talking with a priest and her having had an abortion and how guilty she felt. She went on and on than talked about the birth control pill and her point it was evil to. That was an eye openner. Just look at some of the laws they are trying to change in FL. I have been all over the world and even the united states. I have never been to FL and I never will. Why would I spend my hard earned money on a state that is against women and even gays.

[newspeak]

99. and, that was a warning from my environmental science teacher

over twenty years ago. He stated that if abortion was illegal, the fundies would then go after birth control pills and other birth control devices. This is about controlling women, controlling their bodies. And women are other women's worst enemies. It reminds me of female circumcision-a good book to read about it is by Alice Walker--I believe the title is "The secret of Joy." Anyway it's about a woman coming from an african country that has female circumcision. It's how other women bought into the act and contributed to the pain of their own daughters for the pleasure of men.

[Rebubula]

58. Luckily....

...there is no hell but human life.

[Tailormyst]

59. She is not much of a friend

Personally I would simply cut all ties with the person. No one has a right to treat you that way, especially not someone who claims to be a friend.

[liberal_at_heart]

60. When people tell me I'm going to burn in hell

I just tell them I'll take my chances. It kind of bugs them that their dire warning has no effect on me. I have a fibroid and bc pills would probably help but I am also at risk for hereditary breast and ovarian cancer. Bc pills have been shown to reduce the chance of ovarian cancer but can slightly increase the chance for breast cancer so I just kind of suffer through the painful menstrual cycles. I hope the bc pills help you.

[Javaman]

61. A couple of questions...

1) how old is your friend? 2)how many children does she have?

If she's your age and doesn't have children, then she must be a virgin. That is of course she completely agrees with the use of a condom, which, last time I checked, is birth control.

And if she has only a couple of kids then either she's not having sex any more or, wait for it, is using some sort of birth control.

Ahh the circular logic of hypocrisy.

[dgibby]

62. I had a Catholic friend call me a baby killer because I'm pro-choice.

I told her I wouldn't mind being called that as long as she didn't mind me calling her a pedophile. Boy, did that conversation ever end in a big hurry!:evilgrin:

[mainer]

63. So if post-menopausal women need hormones, they're going to hell too?

Are all female hormones evil, or just hormones given to fertile women?

And shouldn't Viagra be even more evil, since it enables that nasty sexual behavior?

[TwilightGardener]

64. Don't be offended at the ramblings of a nut. I had an old friend like this too,

we were both raised Catholic, but she took it to EXTREMES and only would use the rhythm method. I still can't figure out how preventing conception by obsessive timing of sex isn't a sin, but preventing conception by manipulating hormones IS. I guess in the Church's mind there shall be no pleasure without at least some risk of punishment.

edit to add--hope the pill works for you. I had a similar situation (due to fibroids--finally had a hysterectomy and glad I did), I can sympathize.

[Sebastian Doyle]

65. I don't have any need for BC pills, but right now burning in Hell doesn't sound too bad

It's 6 fucking degrees here right now. At least Hell would be warm!

[Kerrytravelers]

66. My response to this kind of comment: Ok, see you there.

That elicits usually one of the two following response:

1. Silence. They are shocked that a sinner like me would dare think they might go to hell.

2. They get on their pious high horse, which usually makes me chuckle and say something along the lines of "Speaking for God, huh?" and then I just walk off, chuckling.

[slackmaster]

69. I guess you didn't know that friend as well as you had thought

Now you know.

[krispos42]

70. So there's an early-morning explosion and fire at a fertility clinic...

... your friend stops the her car and rushes inside to render aid. Flames, smoke, and fumes are quickly spreading throughout the structure and the fire department is not there yet.

Just inside, she stumbles on a passed-out clinic doctor next to a largish cooler he had been carrying. The cooler is labeled "Cryogenically-Frozen Fertilized Embroys - 4,000 count".

She can save one of them before the flames become too intense. Which one will she save, the doctor or the cooler?

[guitar man]

71. The next time you see that "friend"

You should have this tune playing :evilgrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCssYzVl6oQ

[Arkana]

73. Huh.

Well, screw your friend then.

[Scout]

79. when i had my tubes tied, the doc found and removed some endometriosis...

he said it wasn't bad, and that being on the pill for years during my 20s, 30s, 40s was the "best thing I could have done" to control/prevent the endometriosis from being worse. I guess he was right because beyond a little pain during ovulation, i never even knew i had endometriosis.

your friend is a nut case! try not to let her ignorance bother you.

[Vinca]

80. I think your "friend" needs a class in reproduction.

If there is no fertilization there is no potential baby to be "killed." I trust she's adopted dozens of unwanted children . . . right? (Re your physical problem - same thing happened to me before the big change. Sometimes I thought I was going to bleed to death before the transition was over.)

[glitch]

82. And this friend must be "pro" abortion since limiting access to bc causes more abortions.

Bringing that FACT up to anti-choicers is always gratifying.

[varelse]

84. You think you know somebody and then...

a seam splits somewhere and the crazy comes spilling out.

:wow:

[Maat]

85. I had the same thing happen to me.

I've been on them for several years, and this have gone MUCH easier for me than for my sister, who is a few years younger. Being on the medication has given me a much higher quality of life (no anemia, etc.). I'm 51 now; I'll get off them when I start missing more and more and more periods.

[tigereye]

86. nothing like her driving her wayback machine back to 1960 or whatever

Scary how folks want women to have no control over their bodies.

:eyes:

Link to some BC history - don't know exactly how accurate it is, but quite telling...

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~nicoleg/history.htm

[Stargazer09]

91. Watch out for anemia, too

I am 43 with all of the same symptoms. Just found out that I'm severely anemic. If you didn't get a complete blood count done when you had your other tests done, I encourage you to get checked for anemia. All of my other tests came back normal, too, but the doctor panicked when she saw my iron levels.

Anyway, as far as your friend is concerned, how incredibly sad that she was so horrible to you over this issue. BC pills are used for more than just birth control, but it seems that a lot of people don't understand that anymore.

I hope the pills work for you. :hug:

[TwilightGardener]

95. Yep--that's an insidious problem--

it's gradual, and debilitating. I also developed severe anemia, couldn't make it up the stairs, couldn't do much beyond routine housework for at least a year, started having really weird symptoms--ringing and buzzing in my ears, chest pain and shortness of breath, leg cramps, joint aches, always cold. I figured it had to be anemia because of the chronic heavy blood loss--finally got treatment for the whole shebang this year, and I feel like I'm getting back to normal. Hope you start feeling better too.

[LeftishBrit]

101. Just wow...

Hope the medicine (for that's what it obviously is!) works really well and you feel better soon. Your friend seems bizarre; especially telling you that you would burn in hell. It sounds as though she has problems of her own!

[ismnotwasm]

102. I hope you feel better

Your friend is disturbed, and "burn in hell" is a very, very shitty thing to say, especially as she actually believes in the 'ol fire and brimstone hell she must be talking about.


I like to use this George Carlin quote;


"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!"

[Odin2005]

112. "But he LOVES you!"

:rofl:

[TrogL]

105. I'd like to see the Scriptural reference against birth control

Sorry, Onan doesn't count - he got stomped on for failing to impregnant his late brother's wife on demand.

[walldude]

110. "you're going to burn in hell"

Well thank god for that otherwise I'd have to spend eternity in heaven listening to you".

[Mariana]

116. These people are being told that birth control pills and IUDs

cause abortions, that that's how they work to prevent pregnancy. That way they can pretend that they don't really oppose contraception at all, just abortion. It's an interesting coincidence that they've determined that the most effective methods of temporary contraception are abortifacients and that any woman who uses them is therefore a baby killer.