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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:30 PM
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SAD NEWS - BARBARO HAS BEEN PUT DOWN
CNN JUST BREAKING

WHAT A HARD LUCK HORSE
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:32 PM
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1. How sad.
Really thought he was going to make it.:cry:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:32 PM
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2. How sad.
:cry:

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:33 PM
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3. Good.
He belonged to some rich asshole who probably has a huge house and lots of land. Just desserts.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Thanks for the update. This is sad news.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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8. John McCain Kicks Dogs!
George Bush has people killed!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:44 PM
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25. Was waiting for THAT one
Taking bets with myself which one of us loons would post it.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:50 PM
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39. Let the whole house thing go. Give it a rest. nt
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:34 PM
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4. Heartbreaking news
What a fighter.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:34 PM
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5. Lots pf threads already The sweet boy had lots of fans here
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM by havocmom
Said it before, His Champion Spirit has to run. Now it can again...

In my version of heaven, all the critters are there. Hope Barbaro meets up with the soul of a big red horse who managed to pull off the dream. They would have much to commune about. Barbaro ran that hard. That big red horse waiting in some pature in another reality would have to salute the young colt.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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11. HAVING RAISED QUARTER HORSES FOR
MANY YEARS, I SHARE YOUR IDEA OF HEAVEN; IF THERE ARE NO HORSES, DOGS OR CATS IN HEAVEN, THEN I DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:43 PM
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23. Don't worry, I've caught a glimpse of them, waiting there for those of us who need them
Their love survives. If you have been loved by a critter, that critter still knows the feeling, in whatever form there is after this one.

Someday, you and I should have a good chat. I know so little about horses, but know their hearts are really something. Had some neighbor horses who watched over me in my time of greatest peril. Best sleep ever! Would like to understand them better.

They are god put to flesh and motion.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:47 PM
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34. I saw a documentary on Secretariat
The reason that he ran so fast was because his heart was abnormally large and he could suck in larger amounts of oxygen giving him more stamina.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:53 PM
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42. Did the DOC discuss the time he was screwing around and not practicing hard
Lost the next race. Jockey or trainer said that horse looked back at the horse in the winner's circle and you could tell he was pissed. Said he worked VERY hard after that. He seemed to have decided he didn't like walking PAST the winner's circle! His heart was big in lots of ways ;)


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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:54 PM
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79. I want to be with you two
and all the critters I now miss in this life.

I have a very old quarter horse that will soon be joining those in the big pasture in the sky. I don't know what I am going to do when that happens, he is my best buddy. He saved me from being squashed into a big spot on the barn a month ago by taking the brunt of the 6 others running full speed right at me in an angry chase after the new guy. He saw me and ran (he never runs because he is ancient) and got between them and me. I was hurt but nothing like I would have been if he had not done that. He was acting pretty lame for a while after that. Big sweet heart, just plain goodness and love.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:39 PM
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108. MuseRider, there is a book I recommend highly to those who have lost
or are facing the loss of great animal friends: Goody-bye, Friend by Gary Kowalski.

When that sad day comes, know there are DUers here who will let you lean on us for some strength. Know there are many who understand.

Sounds like a really amazing horse. You must be a great person to be loved so by the big critter. We will be here for you when the dark day hits.

Lots of animal shelters now have special memorial pages on their web sites. Some are free, some ask for small donations. Either way, it is a rather nice way to speak/write lovingly about an animal friend and share rich memories with others who really care about such things. For some, sharing can be a way to get through the grief, and THERE IS LEGITIMATE GRIEF!

The book is small but packed with some lovely stories showing constructive ways to get through loss.

Scritch that big boy for us. Take in his scent well. There are still nights I long for the scent of a special friend who is now 8 years gone. Savor every second and be mindful of the joy in just being together.

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 12:19 AM
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109. Thank you.
:hug: I just sent you a PM.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:32 AM
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114. PM back at ya
:hug: and one for the big guy too!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 08:17 AM
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113. I can second that. n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:46 PM
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32. What a beautiful thought
to see all of the greats...Citation, War Admiral, Secretariat, Ruffian and Barbaro running through the green pastures unfettered by humans.:cry:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:58 PM
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49. Who was the great horse after Secretariat? Saw them in a DOC
After retirement, along either side of a fence in the morning. They sorta faced off. There was much nodding then they both turned parallel to the fence, side by side and took off running together. It was like watching 'the boys' testing to see if they still 'had it' It was shear pleasure and poetry.

Born to run. Can't still power like that.

Hope Barbaro gets his race with the other greats. Wouldn't it be grand? No pain. Only a white rail to eternity on a sunny, crisp day....
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:12 PM
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63. Seattle Slew. n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:14 PM
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67. Thanks. Did you see that? It was amazing film.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:34 PM
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6. Damn, that is really sad...
I was so hoping he'd come through. He put up a hell of a fight to make it.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:35 PM
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7. Awwww, rats!
:cry:

I had such hopes for that noble animal. :(
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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9. Sorry ...
but who fucking cares.

Off to the glue factory.

Cheers
Drifter
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:37 PM
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15. harsh, dude.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:39 PM
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17. Sorry excuse
for a human being
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:42 PM
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22. Wow. Talk about true compassion.
:puke:
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:05 PM
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57. As compansionate ...
as living life as a piece of property of a rich person, and being forced to do perform for the financial well being of said owner.

If it was any other horse that suffered an injury like that, they would have been put down right on the spot.

Don't talk to me about compassion.

Cheers
Drifter
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:33 PM
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69. Spin. Spin.
Welcome to ignore.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:00 PM
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52. It will be interesting to compare the wake
to that of any who can make such a crass remark.


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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:13 PM
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66. But then again, it was you who took the time to read a thread about something you do not care about.
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 01:16 PM by elocs
Then you even took time out of your life to post "who fucking cares" about something you do not care about. What, too much time on your hands or simply a troll who wants to antagonize people in a thread where people do care about the subject? The subject here is the horse, not the owner. But then again, there are no rich liberals or Democrats, are there? There are also no rich who are compassionate and use their money to help people and good causes? Narrow minded are we? Your post says more about you than the rich you disparage.

On edit, I don't know of anybody who more deserves to be on an ignore list, so there you will go.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:03 PM
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83. Ya know what they say
about people that are not compassionate to animals. They say those people are more than likely not compassionate to humans. Ignore for you!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:14 PM
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91. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:16 PM
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105. you have absolutely no heart
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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10. What a beautiful creature
He's "over the rainbow" now.

:cry:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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12. Damn
Damn damn damn damn damn
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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oh that's heartbreaking!
oh that makes me so sad.

well, barbaro -- you're running in the greenest fields that paradise has --

you were an inspiration -- a hero.

bless you -- and god keep you.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:36 PM
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13. That's really sad. I had a feeling this would be the news today.
Just woke up knowing it. Very sad.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:37 PM
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14. Sad, But What They Did To Him Was Cruel
They never should have put him through all of that with the injury that he had. In the end he became a bit of a veterenary lab experiment.

It's for the best.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:38 PM
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16. I don't understand
why horses with broken legs are euthanized... someone pleae explain. Thanks.

RIP, sweet Barbaro.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM
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26. I think it has to do with blood flow to the legs
Horses can't survive if they can't stand upright on all their limbs and because their limbs are somewhat small in comparison often the bone disrupts the bloodflow to the leg and therefore its an unsurvivable injury. Plus unfortunatly a lot of time and money are involved with no guanuntees of recovery so many people decide to euthanize. Thats what I have heard. Not quite and expert. This is sad but hopefully vets have learned more about treating broken legs from this extraordinary case. And for those of you who said otherwise. The reason he wasn't put down earlier was that he WASN'T suffering.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:57 PM
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103. also
Horses cannot survive for long lying down. Fluid collects in their lungs, and the weight of their bodies focused on their midsections makes it harder for them to breathe. Also, the soft tissues and blood vessels of the hooves act as mini "hearts" pumping blood back up the legs and to the heart. If those are compromised, then the animal's circulation (and thus healing ability) suffers.

I had a bad feeling this was coming yesterday with the news of his latest surgery. It didn't sound good. He is at peace, and a champ forever. If his owners follow tradition, he will be buried heart, head, hooves and ashes on their property within the next few days. So sad. Hopefully what was learned in his case will save the horses who come after him.



:cry:
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:41 AM
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111. You're right. I remember an abuse case when I was working at a riding stable
Someone had a horse they kept in their backyard. The horse got cast--that is he lay down and couldn't get up. The owner left the animal lying there for three days (claims to have called a vet who never called back). Finally he called the owner of the barn to come out and take a look at the poor thing. Our people went out there with a sling to try and raise him. They tried several times but by this time the animal's legs had atrophied. He was having trouble breathing. Death would be slow and agonizing.

There was only one thing left to do. The stable owner went out to his truck and got his gun. When the owner of the horse saw the rifle he started screaming. "You can't shoot my horse" I didn't hear the exchange but it went something like "If you don't get out of my way I'm going to use it on you."

This was a case of ignorance and arrogance on the part of the owner and the poor horse was the one who suffered.


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM
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27. Horse physiology
I'm no expert, but my understanding is that a horse's health depends on the ability to stand, walk and run. If they can't do that, all kinds of bad things happen and can cause great suffering. They had to move mountains to keep Barbaro healthy for this long.

Someone with more wisdom might better answer this, but that is my understanding.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM
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29. They just aren't meant to survive an injury like that.
Horses evolved to survive by running and horses with broken legs almost never survive. They develop complications that kill them. They never evolved to survive broken legs.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:46 PM
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31. Severe breaks are often too difficult and/or impossible to repair
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 12:50 PM by CottonBear
and the financial costs are enormous. Also, special facilities are required for severe breaks: heavy duty horse size slings, access to a major veterinary surgical center and huge veterinary costs. Plus, laminitis in the other feet is always a possibility. Laminitis is what happens when a horse founders or sustains a leg injury that leads to uneven pressure on the hooves.

I have insurance for my horse. If she had a minor fracture it could be repaired.

I once saw a horse jump and 4 1/2 foot high metal farm gate and break its upper front leg clean in half. It was an awful sight. The owner called the vet and beautiful two year old Moon was put down within 30 minutes. :cry:

RIP Barbaro. You were a magnificent horse. :(
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:48 PM
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77. Hi CottonBear!
I was looking for you, I figured you would answer that.

Legs are touchy things with horses. My cutters always worried me but since we retired and are just cruising they are just fine.

Hope you and your beauty are doing well.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:23 PM
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96. Hi! I've been lucky with Cotton. She's had one hoof abcess and a little cut
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 02:58 PM by CottonBear
on a back leg. She's been a healthy horse otherwise. She'll be four in May and I can start to ride her then! Actually, my trainer will start her for me. I've never backed a green horse. Hopefully, she won't toss me off too often! ;)

I hope your horses are staying warm and dry. It was 23 degrees last night here in NE GA. Brrr! Cotton is snug in her blanket today.

I think that cutting horses are amazing athletes. You were lucky that yours could retire in good health.

Happy Trails! :hi:

CB
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:45 PM
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102. Happy trails to you as well.
Backing a green horse can be a real trip but I would bet that after the last four years of loving care Cotton has gotten from you the last thing she will ever want is to throw you.

I have had a few leg problems, one navicular and twice my cutting horse had to have his hocks injected. That is when I realized the sport, as cool and fun as it is, is not worth it. Why take that kind of a chance with a great hearted beast that you love? He is now home with me and the other 6 all blanketed up and cozy. It has been cold here too and I am mighty sick of cleaning stalls!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:01 PM
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104. I've been helping to feed Cotton plus 20 others horses every night
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 03:13 PM by CottonBear
since Wednesday. The owners of the farm are out of town until tomorrow. Only 6 of the horses come inside to stalls to eat so that cuts down on mucking out chores! It will be in the low 20s again tonight.

Stay warm! :)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:49 PM
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35. I vaguely recall that it's because their anatomy makes it almost
impossible for a broken leg to heal properly. Remember that they're large, heavy animals on tall, skinny legs. If they stand up, they're going to be tempted to put weight on it. They obviously can't lie down with their legs folded under them for a long time, and it's evidently bad for their internal organs to lie on their sides for long periods of time. This is in addition to the fact that they're very skittish animals and need to move around.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:39 PM
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18. Oh no.
I heard this morning that he wasn't doing well. Poor horse.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:41 PM
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19. man!
who cares? :eyes:
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:17 PM
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93. apparently, you. at least enough to post a snotty comment. n/t
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deepthought42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:41 PM
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20. *gasp*
:cry:

I'm just glad he doesn't have to suffer anymore...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:42 PM
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21. So...would the humane thing to do have been to euthanize after the accident?
Was the lure of stud fees what motivated this "heroic" (or cruel) attempt to save the horse?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:47 PM
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33. no money, just love
They knew he would never be a stud. They just loved the horse. Pet owners can understand, I would think. Its obvious this horse was a pet too.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:54 PM
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43. From NPR this morning: "...who's still potentially a very valuable stallion..."
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 12:57 PM by Junkdrawer
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7058884

The report details all the troubles the horse had had...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 08:10 AM
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112. I heard that, too.
Regardless of what NPR reported though, it was always highly unlikely that Barbaro would ever stand at stud. Thoroughbreds must be bred with a "live cover" to be eligible for registration with the jockey club, and therefore eligible for a racing career. No artificial insemination.

Barbaro couldn't manage normal weight on his hind legs. How was he going to "stand up" to mount a mare?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:51 PM
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41. They had some wonderful opportunities with Barbaro
That might save the next horse...just not him.
If you have ever been around horses, then you know they FEEL.
We had a pair of horses that were best friends. When they were separated, one went into a depression...a depression so deep he wouldn't eat or run.
If Barbaro didn't have the will to live...his depression would have made it almost impossible for them to do what they did.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:58 PM
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47. I'm surprised by the amount of people
who think horses are just commodities and don't have feelings when we see that in dogs and cats sometimes.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:43 PM
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24. Shoot. Sorry to hear that.
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM
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28. Sorry, but that horse should have been put down the first day.
I said that all along. It disgusted me that people were paying money to send it food and even volunteered to pull grass for it to eat. Meanwhile, thousands of families have been devastated by the loss of a loved one during the last three years. People should have focused their energies on helping these families financially before wasting time on a horse that was doomed from the beginning. People have mixed up priorities.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:50 PM
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37. so then nobody should own pets in your opinion?
I spent thousands of dollars on my sick cat a few years ago. I just wanted her to get well. Obviously I could have spent my money "better" but I loved my kitty Turtle (how my screen name came) and when I had to put her down late last year because she was suffering it was one of the hardest things I ever did....
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:51 PM
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40. This was a race horse, not a pet.
It was kept alive so it could make money as a stud.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:55 PM
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45. How do you know?
I know some people treat their race horses as commodities but some treat them as pets. I know several people like that. The owners of Barbaro knew from the start he would never stud. Not all the people in racing are heartless business people.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:57 PM
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46. Because it's a race horse.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:59 PM
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51. race horses are pets too.
I've met some of them. One of the sweetest horses I ever met was a retired race horse. I could have ridden him forever...
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:59 PM
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80. please, Barbaro was not a pet
he was a work animal, once his racing career was over, he was kept alive for the sole purpose of producing semen and injecting it into other thouroughbreds also kept alive for the sole purpose of breeding new thouroughbreds for the sole purpose of racing, followed by more breeding.

not to say that this is a bad thing, I don't think it is, neccesarily, and many people involved in racing love the horses to death, but this whole attempt was a financial decision, if he was a gelding, he would have been put to sleep on the track (which probably should have been done anyway)

it's also what you get when you breed animals to have weak cannon bones.
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prole_for_peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:11 PM
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89. thoroughbreds have to be bred naturally.
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 02:11 PM by kmlewis
artificial insemination would make them uneligible to be called Thoroughbred with with Jockey Club registry.

barbaro's owners knew this, of course, and had said in interviews that he would not be used as a stud.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:19 PM
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94. right, which is why he was kept alive as an injection device
you're telling me that if someone offered them ten million for his stud services (which isn't all that much for a well bred derby winner) they would have said no? come on. of course they said he wasn't going to stud, that makes them callous gits.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:28 PM
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99. Umm, actually
the nature of his injury probably would have made it impossible for him to reproduce. The stallion has to be able to hold all his weight on his back 2 legs while having sex. Even with a full recovery, Barbaro's legs probably never would have been strong enough to handle the stress. He probably never would have gone to the breeding shed. His owners loved him and wanted to save him. Did he make them money? Yes, but those days were over for him.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:44 PM
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75. so not true
here is the link to his story.

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/6421288?MSNHPHCP>1=9012


His owners loved their horse and a great foundation was formed because of him.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:49 PM
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78. don't stereotype
If what you think is true this horse would have been euthanized right away. Many owners are businessmen but some like the sport for sheer love of their animals. There are also lots of hands on people who deal with the horses and love them too. The likely hood of this horse EVER bringing in big bucks as a stud was nil. They spent ALOT of money when most people would have CALLOUSLY said nope, don't want to deal with it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:13 PM
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90. He wasn't a race horse?
Could've fooled me.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:32 PM
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107. Thoroughbred Economics 101...Stud fees is where the money is made...
When War Chant made an electrifying late charge to win the Breeders' Cup Mile, thoroughbred racing had a bright new star. The lightly raced 3-year-old had delivered what was arguably the best performance of the day at Churchill Downs, and his potential seemed limitless.

But he'll never get the chance to show how good he might be. Instead of racing as a 4-year-old, War Chant will be retired to stud. He might make a final appearance in the Hollywood Derby on Sunday, but even if he does run in that race, his career will have lasted for eight races. His departure from the sport underscores a growing problem: the premature retirement of the game's best athletes. It also demonstrates the economics of the thoroughbred industry are seriously out of kilter.

...

If War Chant had a near-perfect 2001 season, he might earn $2 million in purses. This is the upside, but racing has plenty of downside potential-such as injuries that can shorten or end a horse's campaign.

But by going to stud, his financial success is virtually guaranteed. With the thoroughbred market booming, War Chant's stud fee will be $75,000. If he were bred to 80 mares next spring, he would produce $6 million.

...




http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20001123/ai_n13886386

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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:07 PM
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60. That was good of you to try to save your cat.
All these people came out of the woodwork to help some horse they never met, though. Where were they when families in their area were trying to cope with their son or daughter who was killed in Iraq? They got all emotional over a horse that they never knew, but indifferent about soldiers dying. That's my point.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:38 PM
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74. okay I see your point
Obviously this a touchy subject for me, being a big animal lover. I did read that the donated money is going to improve the veterinary hospital and forward knowledge on how to best treat horses. To me thats something worthwhile and I can't criticize others for doing it either. I hate suffering and premature death of any type whether its on of our soldiers in Iraq or a horse with a broken leg.
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MacGregor Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:02 PM
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82. You don't know that they were all indifferent.
And all the attention directed at Barabaro was directed at one, easily documentable subject. With dying soldiers... well, Jesus, where to begin?

Plus, there's the tricky matter of trying to comfort bereaved strangers (hell, even trying to comfort bereaved acquaintances is hard) and inadvertently compounding their grief. The public ran little risk of Barbaro and his caretakers rebuffing their sympathies.
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:18 PM
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106. why does one have to cancel out the other??
Don't we have hearts big enough to mourn soldiers (and Iraqis by the way) who are killed, AND animals???
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:05 PM
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58. Sadly, I agree with you
Mostly due to the suffering that Barbaro must have gone through while he was being treated. I love my pets with all my heart, but I would do the same for them if they were facing such a long and uncertain recovery.

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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:45 PM
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30. Oh that is sad
I was pulling for the guy, hoping he would make.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:49 PM
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36. Sad. Here's hoping the physicians learned a lot in the process to help horse in the future.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:50 PM
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38. He tried so hard.
There are so many more important things, but this still makes my heart hurt.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:55 PM
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44. Barbaro would have made a good president.
:(
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:59 PM
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50. Are you kidding?
Have you seen the size of his stable?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:02 PM
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55. But do you think Republicans want to go with someone that smart?
:shrug:
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:03 PM
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56. Better a thoroughbred then the ass that's in there now. n/t
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:06 PM
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87. amen...
somewhere in a small village, a bridge is missing its troll...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:08 PM
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61. No doubt head and shoulders above
what you have now.

I had a horse when I was a kid. They are AMAZING creatures. It was a bit surprising they didn't put him down right away, but that they didn't made it clear to me that he was a "family member." Sad news...
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:58 PM
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48. Poor thing
I love horses.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:00 PM
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53. At least now his spirit is running free
no pain, no suffering. RIP Barbaro. :cry:
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:02 PM
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54. Barbaro was my hero. There are so
few humans I can call hero today Barbaro was a natural. He was brave, handsome and loving. I will always feel sad at losing an animal.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:07 PM
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59. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... I am crushed...
I hope there is a paradise beyond where he can frolic in full health....

With all the human tragedy and sadness in the world, I'd truly hoped this would be a bright spot...
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:08 PM
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62. I am devastated.
As many of you know, I checked daily for news about this inspirational horse and the incredible work his veterinary team at New Bolton did, as well as the dedication of the Jacksons, his owners, and everyone else who came in contact with him.

I know it was a decision made with Barbaro's all-round best interest at its center, despite the fact that we all had hoped so much for this wonderful animal's survival.

Rest in peace, Barbaro
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:12 PM
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64. .....
:cry:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:12 PM
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65. I may have watched my last horse race
I have trouble watching the beginning of them anyway; now I'm not sure I can watch any more. Poor Barbaro. His owners must be devastated.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:35 PM
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73. I can't watch horse races. Too scary for me. n/t
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:22 PM
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68. Rest in peace, Barbaro
You were a champion.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:34 PM
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70. Sad news indeed
:cry:
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:34 PM
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71. Oh shit. I knew it was a long shot - put how heartbreaking for
everyone who tried so hard to pull him thru.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:35 PM
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72. Does this mean we don't have to hear about him anymore?
:shrug:
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:06 PM
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86. You don't have to post about him anymore,either...
That must be a relief for you.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:23 PM
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97. Indeed it is!
:-)
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:21 PM
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95. are you purposely searching out Babaro threads to take a dump in? n/t
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:45 PM
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76. So very sad
to lose such a wonderful beast. I will give my horses an extra scratch and extra alfalfa cubes tonight in honor of Barbaro.

This is really sad.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:01 PM
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81. Rest well, Barbaro.
That beautiful horse was all heart.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:03 PM
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84. damn
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 02:15 PM by Old Broad
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?=37320

Owners discuss their decision here:

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2007/January/29/
Kentucky-Derby-winner-Barbaro-euthanized.aspx
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:05 PM
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85. Really sad - why do we need horse racing anyway?
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 02:06 PM by RiverStone
It seems cruel to me, as does greyhound racing.

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:10 PM
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88. Now this *is* a pointless distraction
I'd go through this list and check for the names of people who have been ranting on and on about how Edwards' house is a distraction away from the real issues, but I think it would just make me cry a little on the inside.

PS Mes apologies, mais où est une boucherie chevaline, parce que J'ai très faim.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:15 PM
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92. I just heard it on ESPN too....
and it is sad, he had such a spirit to live that I thought he would make it, just to huge a hurdle for him I guess....RIP Barbaro. What a beautiful horse. :cry:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:24 PM
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98. Oh no!!!!
:cry:
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:35 PM
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100. So let me get this straight ...
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but it seems like several people on this thread feel that a beautiful creature being put to rest after a long and painful struggle is not newsworthy; even a "distraction." Let's remember that it is indeed possible to care about more than "just" humans and more than one issue at a time. It is entirely within the realm of the human mind to care about soldiers AND horses ...

Watching the Kentucky Derby has been a family tradition all my life (family's from Louisville) and I swear in my memory I haven't ever seen a performance like Barbaro's in the Derby. My liberal heart always told me how cruel the sport is, but I guess for this tradition I let it slide and I really don't know how I feel now. This whole ordeal (though it is not of course the first such instance to happen) is making me re-think my feelings about this. After all, I despise dog racing, why should I make exceptions, especially when it damages and ultimately kills such a strong and tenacious animal? Hopefully if nothing else this will make people think twice about this sport. (Which is not to say his owners didn't love him or whatever.) I'm not sure if there's an afterlife, but at least he is not in physical pain anymore.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:45 PM
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101. He made a significant contribution to our world.
It is sad any time we lose beauty and courage from this world, whether that beauty and courage are in the shape of a horse or the form of a human. This horse was an inspiration to many. Any being that touches so many, that opens so many hearts in his life and in his death has increased the compassion in our world.

I hope that this compassion will expand the awareness of the cruelties that are inherent in the racing industry and demand more concern for all the horses that are affected by this commercial enterprise.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:22 AM
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110. He was a true champion, in every sense of the word. I feel so sad about this. eom
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