UFObama: Spiral Northern Light Show On Historic Occasion

[omega minimo]

The Imagine Peace Tower on Videy Island near Reykjavik, Iceland, is dedicated to the life, work and
inspiration of John Lennon, who was assassinated 29 years ago. On the anniversary of Lennon's birth,
a crater on the moon was dedicated to him and NASA shot the moon with a missile to scare up evidence
of water. On the anniversary of John's death, the President of the United States traveled to Copenhagen
for a global environmental summit and to Norway, to accept the Nobel Peace Prize. At that same moment,
an astonishing light show appeared spiraling over Norway.



"Only within the moment of time represented by the present century has one species -- man --
acquired significant power to alter the nature of his world." -- Rachel Carson


"It is a wholesome and necessary thing for us to turn again to the earth and in the contemplation
of her beauties to know of wonder and humility." -- Rachel Carson



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sof_QK1z4b4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQ1Y4k2p10&feature=related
http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10002010-5.html?tag=mncol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html


"For all at last returns to the sea -- to Oceanus, the ocean river,
like the everflowing stream of time, the beginning and the end."
-- Rachel Carson



Across The Universe
Lennon/McCartney

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letter box they
Tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing
Through my open views inviting and inciting me
Limitless undying love which shines around me like a
million suns, it calls me on and on
Across the universe
Jai guru de va om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/world/europe/11prexy.text.html?pagewanted=3

"I receive this honor with deep gratitude and great humility. It is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations -- that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice." -- President Obama

[laughingliberal]

1. Beautiful and Inspiring! Thanks :)

[omega minimo]

3. Thank you. May as well be inspired .....

:toast:

[ClayZ]

2. Thank you!

K and R

[omega minimo]

4. If the Norse Sky Gods want to bless Obama's efforts, that's good enough for me!

:spray: :hi:

[omega minimo]

5. Thank you for the Recs

a little something for those who cancelled them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7194785&mesg_id=7194785

[Behind the Aegis]

6. Which is why I unrec'ed.

[omega minimo]

8. There's plenty of ambiguity to go around

:pals:

[Behind the Aegis]

9. And it explains my vote

:beer:

[omega minimo]

22. ........ or doesn't ............

:think: :evilgrin:

[TexasObserver]

7. Recommend

[omega minimo]

23. TO

I appreciate your :thumbsup:

[Kurt Remarque]

10. i apparently missed something in the speech

[omega minimo]

39. I read the Peace Prize speech and could only find one quote that wasn't about war

to include in the OP. Weird.

[inna]

11. Beautiful, thank you for this!

KR+3.

[omega minimo]

48. Hi inna!

:hug:

[dysfunctional press]

12. so- the russkies booted their missile test to honor obama...?

that was mighty white of them.

[SalviaBlue]

13. Thanks. Recommended. nt

[SidDithers]

14. So a failed ICBM test makes pretty lights in the sky...

and Obama accepts the Nobel Peace Prize a more than a thousand miles away from where it is seen (in Stockholm, which, last time I checked, is in Sweden, not Norway), and that's somehow a mystical experience, that ties in with John Lennon, and the LCROSS moon "bombing".

Gotcha.

Sid

[Octafish]

15. Sez you. What "failed ICBM test'' you've seen before do that?

In Russia, a near perfect spiral with a blue beam coming out of it must happen all the time in their rocket program. Korolev's biographer didn't mention it though.

[SidDithers]

16. Sez most of the world...

except for the nutters with their tinfoil on too tight.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mystery-of-giant-light-spiral-in-arctic-solved-1838186.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mysterious-ufo-spiral-in-norway-was-russian-rocket/story-e6frf7jo-1225809295640
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jW5e1IL3lgxKyVzZDuYMxiYpUlOAD9CGKDUG0
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/10/norway.ufo.light/

ETA:

"There were many interesting suggestions," said Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. "The spiral images were very confusing. I didn't have any clue at that point either."

<snip>

He said he was stumped when the first still images arrived. But when video began rolling in, Brekke -- who said he was the center's first employee to theorize correctly -- said the moving images made more sense.

"There, you could actually see something was spiraling very quickly," he said. "Immediately, I thought this must be a rocket that had been launched.

"Typically, with rockets that fail, you will see it go out of control and start spiraling."

Sid

[Octafish]

17. Those same sources said Iraq had WMDs, for sure.

Certainly, when an ICBM goes out of control, it can spiral.

Until the Russians show me a picture of what happened the other day, I'll keep an open mind.

BTW: The tinfoil hat nutters were right about Saddam and the BFEE.



And a lot of other things, as well.

[SidDithers]

24. Really? The Norwegian Space Centre said there were WMD in Iraq?...

Interesting.

Sid

[omega minimo]

43. Dunno, but on one of the links they said "Sa FARGIN UFOR"

:rofl:

[Octafish]

46. The guy guessed what some Russian supposedly said it was and that's what happened. OK.

Oh. Those sources of yours ALL reported what the White House and 10 Downing and Canberra said was undoubtedly so -- just like the Russians all of a sudden talking about their frequently tested and formerly secret ICBM going all a-haywire in sighting distance of a big slice of Sweden, on the other side of Finland, ya know.

I'd like to know what it was. Not what the Norwegian Space Center guy who was "first" to guess "right" what the Russian "said" it "must" have "been." I've seen film of plenty of rockets that have gone bad -- Atlas to Saturn, Polaris to Hawks. Even the ones spinning in a spiral come close to doing what the photos and videos display.

Should it be proven to be an errant ICBM, great. Most interesting meteorological or physical phenomena it produced, eh? Until then, I'll wonder what it was. In addition, I won't make fun of people who say they don't know what it was or those who say they do.

[omega minimo]

47. Did you mean they do or they don't?

"Even the ones spinning in a spiral come close to doing what the photos and videos display."

Not sure how to read your comment... you know what "rockets gone bad" look like and they do resemble this image?

My question in another thread was about how regular the spiral was, how consistent and even. The sciencist types here like to topdog and mock more than actually discuss the phenomenon.

[Octafish]

51. Sorry, omega minimo. My bad. The spiral IS most unusual for a bad rocket.

I meant: "Even the ones spinning in a spiral NEVER come close to doing what the photos and videos display."

As you indicated, it is most unusual for a spinning rocket to leave that level of order and uniformity. Even one spinning in a close spiral leaves a smoke trail that includes permutations in the spiral.

Faulty rockets -- usually a solid-fuel rocket -- can resemble "Roman Candle" fireworks, where the thing goes up and spins, leaving a smoke cloud that forms a spiral or circle that soon breaks up into a drifting cloud. In an ICBM or large booster, this randomness results from a large number of factors, including air currents, the supersonic slip stream and permutations from the design thrust direction.

As an amateur, I had the opportunity to learn a bit about rocketry and the space program from people who were part of it. I've seen film, photos and in-person rocket launches, including some failures.

[berni_mccoy]

18. God made the ICBM test fail so that all could see the light of the world which is Obama

See, that's how you do it. And that would certainly piss off a ton of freepers.

[omega minimo]

28. Geez, how do you come up with the stuff? What's God got to do with the facts?

:spray:

[berni_mccoy]

29. LOL!

Total snark post if that wasn't obvious. :evilgrin:

[omega minimo]

33. Uh, yeah.

It was obvious :eyes: Jokes on YOU projecting your "skepwoo"

[berni_mccoy]

49. Ok, I give, wth is skepwoo?

[omega minimo]

62. A projectile with an outer shell of topdog, over a veneer of rationale, around a soft, gooey, center

of scared-shitless-by-an-authority-figure somewhere along the line.

Skepwoo is the plight and the preoccupation of those so afraid to look within and validate individual awareness and experience, that they are addicted to debunking.

[The Straight Story]

19. According to some skeptics I saw here, it was a photoshop (if it was a ufo)

Turns out it was real, but it was easier to call something fake when they could not explain it.

Go Figure.

[SidDithers]

25. And some nutters thought it was a UFO...

turns out they were both wrong.

Sid

[The Straight Story]

36. Actually, until they found out what it was, it WAS a UFO (nt)

[omega minimo]

37. LOL

[omega minimo]

30. "Turns out it was real, but it was easier to call something fake when they could not explain it."

:yourock:

[SidDithers]

26. For the record, I was wrong...

Obama was in Oslo, Norway for the Nobel medal ceremony.

I was mistaken because I had earlier read about Canadian physicist Willard Boyle, who was a winner of the Nobel Physics Prize, which was awarded in Stockholm.

Edit: but Oslo is actually further away from where the spiral was seen than Stockholm.

Sid

[omega minimo]

27. The facts stated in the OP sure inspire some odd claims from some of youse.

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

31. It was the implied connection between unrelated events that I found odd...nt

Aid

[omega minimo]

32. How are they unrelated?

How was anything implied?

[ourbluenation]

50. +100

:rofl:

[omega minimo]

52. easily amused?

[MilesColtrane]

56. You must have missed the Caroline Kennedy/Jupiter/Teddy Kennedy Memorial/Astrology thread.

That was also a good one.

[greyl]

79. With a slight change in barometric pressure, this thread could have been about

the damage done to Earth's energy field by errant, shortsighted, phallic technology.

[spin]

20. Early Trident missie failure...

somewhat similar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-3fjg4dYY

[omega minimo]

34. somewhat

in a Totally, Completely, NOT sort of way!!!!!!! :wow:

Yes, spirals occur in nature, as shown in one of the illustrations

[timeforpeace]

21. "Cosmic, dude" -- Rachel Carson

[ClayZ]

35. Kick

"I receive this honor with deep gratitude and great humility. It is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations -- that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice." -- President Obama

[Marr]

38. You aren't suggesting there's something supernatural or unexplained

about this spiral, are you?

[omega minimo]

42. The natural world is full of the super and the unexplained.

Did you receive an adequate explanation for what created the light spiral and blue flame? Gotta link? In this thread we have a close up of a small rocket epically failing, more a case of impotence than actual spiraling.

[Marr]

54. I honestly don't know what you're saying.

The display was caused by a failed rocket launch.

[Dream Girl]

58. Thou dost protest too much!

[omega minimo]

64. link?

[Marr]

71. I really don't understand.

If you haven't read anything about the missile spiraling, what are you denying? Here's a link:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18262-strange-norway-spiral-likely-an-outofcontrol-missile.html

:shrug:

[omega minimo]

72. I ain't denying nuthin

What are you projecting?

[Dream Girl]

57. Oh no, of course not. I'm "rational"

Um, no it's not supernatural or unexplained. Because our current understanding explains everything. We know all that is knowable and um all that. Is that okay, Mr. Science?

[Marr]

59. Our current understanding explains *this*, yes.

That is not the same thing as saying 'we know all that is knowable'. Keeping an open mind is great-- but it's not about accepting demonstrably false claims just because they make you feel good. The fact is that this particular spectacle was completely explainable. There's nothing mysterious about it.

If you can't put aside your hopes for magic and mystery and honestly appraise evidence, then *you're* not being open-minded.

[Dream Girl]

60. Maybe it was a "weather balloon" or "ball lightening"?

It's not about believing what makes me feel good. It is about having an open mind and questioning the official line. The Russian failed rocket explanation just doesn't have the ring of truth. Full disclosure I'm not expert Russian rockets, it just sounds fake to me.

[Marr]

70. I don't think with my gut, so I don't know what this ring of truth is.

The accepted explanation sounds completely reasonable to me, especially in the context of past missile launches. If there's something about that explanation that you consider impossible or unlikely, lay it out.

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

89. You've never heard of the "ring of truth," although you are a superlative and superior thinker

[omega minimo]

67. "but it's not about accepting demonstrably false claims just because they make you feel good"

"but it's not about accepting demonstrably false claims just because they make you feel good" -- is that what you're doing with the acceptance of the Russian missile explanation? Any proof? Hearsay? Make you feel good to accept as if it's true with no further thought?

:hi:

"If you can't put aside your hopes for magic and mystery and honestly appraise evidence, then *you're* not being open-minded."

What "evidence"?

[Marr]

69. What do you mean, "what evidence"?

The images, the missile launch, past missile launch mishaps, etc.

I understand you don't like it, but... what exactly do you consider a more likely explanation?

[omega minimo]

75. Thank you for providing a link. Where is the evidence?

"The images, the missile launch, past missile launch mishaps, etc." --- You consider that "evidence"? :wow:



"I understand you don't like it, but... what exactly do you consider a more likely explanation?"

You understand nothing. Your snide sideswipe bullshit projections aside, where is the evidence that this was a Russian rocket FAIL as claimed? You provided a "likely explanation" as instructed by the authorities ....... that's your evidence?

Oh and forgive me if I missed it --where are "the images" at your link?






Spewing flame

Just how would a missile be able to create such a perfect spiral? McDowell says the shape suggests the failure occurred well above the atmosphere. If it had occurred at lower altitudes, atmospheric drag would have caused the missile to fall quickly to Earth, creating a downward-pointing corkscrew pattern whose contrails would have been blown "this way and that" by wind, he told New Scientist.

The Bulava missile has three stages that fire in succession as it climbs up in altitude. "Probably what happened is that stages 1 and 2 did just fine and were discarded in turn, and then stage 3 started burning and almost immediately went wrong," McDowell says.

He says the third stage's nozzle, which directs the rocket's exhaust plume, may have fallen off or been punctured, causing the exhaust to come out sideways instead of out the back. "The sideways thrust sends the rocket into a spin, spewing flame as it goes," he says.

"If thrust was terminated right away, then you wouldn't see the spiral," he continues. "The unusual thing this time is that the missile was allowed to carry on firing for a bit after it went wrong."

[Marr]

76. Why are you becoming hostile?

You asked for a link containing a plausible explanation, and I provided one. Images of the event are available in many locations-- you posted a few yourself.

[omega minimo]

81. Pardon?

"I understand you don't like it, but... what exactly do you consider a more likely explanation?"


Hostile? Well, let's see "I understand you don't like it" is some pretty loaded bullshit.

Let's see now, demanding "a more likely explanation" when you haven't provide ANY is pretty outfuckinrageous.

You didn't provide any images although seem to think you did.

Your "plausible explanation" is pretty implausible.

[Marr]

82. "Loaded bullshit"?

You don't want to discuss anything, you want to toss insults and act like a child. Do it with someone else-- I'm done talking to you.

[omega minimo]

84. "I understand you don't like it, but..."

check yourself :thumbsup:

[omega minimo]

65. and it's always been like that and always shall be, Amen.

[snooper2]

40. And when Obama started speaking

Two stars crossed in the sky but I think one might have been a plane and Dick Cheney started to take his weekly shit on the toilet.

Could you weave that in there as well somehow? :)

[omega minimo]

41. You just did

:toast: Cheney's BM sends sparks cuz of all the BONES he has to pass.

[W_HAMILTON]

44. The aliens came to watch Obama speak.

Deal with it, people!

[omega minimo]

45. Or they might have been hired by Tiger Woods to scope some babes.

:shrug:

[omega minimo]

74. ok om no one's gonna call you on this

:rofl:

[timeforpeace]

90. More likely the angels came to hear him speak.

[rosesaylavee]

53. I like this.

Thanks for posting. The world is a strange place full of fascinating coincidences.

[omega minimo]

66. "The world is a strange place full of fascinating coincidences."

Paying attention is something. :rosesaylavee: :hug:

[bridgit]

55. Rocket, not Santa, blamed for Norway spiral...

Putin's reminder, the world remains far more dangerous than poetry: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/10/norway.ufo.light/index.html

[slutticus]

61. An out-of-control ICBM leaking hydrazine is indeed a beautiful thing.

[omega minimo]

63. Gotta link? Russian photos?

:popcorn:

[slutticus]

83. Here. Enjoy your popcorn.

"A Navtex no-fly alert was issued for the White Sea on Dec. 9th, and photographers appear to have recorded the initial boost phase of a launch below the spiral."
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/44999-claim-russian-icbm-caused-norwegian-spiral

"The Russian Ministry of Defense has confirmed that a strange light in the skies over arctic Norway was caused by a malfunctioning rocket."
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Russia-Rocket-Norway-Spiral-Lights,news-5310.html

"Just a day after a Russian rocket launch set off a spate of UFO sightings in Norway, yet another missile test created a similar sky show over the heart of Russia."
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/11/2150063.aspx

"Computer simulation of a tumbling rocket stage"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnIrx2MT85s

And this one directly from a Russian news source (I even translated it for you (Google))
http://kommersant.ru/
Ministry of Defense confirmed the unsuccessful launch of the Bulava
December 10 Administration press service and information, the Defense Ministry reported that the undertaking before the launch of a ballistic missile "Bulava" from the board of a strategic nuclear submarine "Dmitry Donskoy" was unsuccessful.

"The first two stages of the rocket worked in normal mode, but at a subsequent third stage in the trajectory there was a technical problem. According to the control, was fixed unstable operation of the engine at tertiary level ", - quoted as the Defense Ministry RIA Novosti. Recall that so far officially reported about 11 launches of the Bulava on board "Dmitry Donskoy". Of these, six were unsuccessful, and three more - "partially successful". After the last failure, 15 July this year, has resigned as director of the Institute of Heat Engineering Yuri Solomonov. Now he continues to work on the project, retaining the post of chief designer.

[omega minimo]

86. Thank you for providing that

So far not seeing confirmation that that's what it was ... that last link http://kommersant.ru/ looks like it might have actual image of same event? but it's loading riiilllllly slooooooowly so I'll check it later.

Thanks again. Balshoi spaceba. :toast:

[slutticus]

88. No Problem.

It took forever to find the russian link....however I'm amazed with the power of the google translator.

I couldn't link directly to the story since I copied the text out of the translated version. I didn't see any video from that site but apparently there was some media taking videos of the launch (with hopes that it would not be a spectacular and beautiful failure). I think you can find some on youtube.

[BeFree]

68. Bend history? Our actions matter?

That was one big "O" in the sky.

Thanks for this thread, yall, it does make ya think.

[omega minimo]

73. What A Concept!!

:toast:

[NYC_SKP]

77. This is a beatiful thing, Recommended.

despite my sadness for the misery brought to our soldiers and our citizens by those who do not care, I celebrate with the rest of the world in our spirit and perseverance to overcome.

:patriot:

[omega minimo]

85. Beautiful post. Thank you.

:hug:

[greyl]

78. Why are you helping to cover-up the Chemspiral program? nt

[omega minimo]

87. Really? I thought it looked like what makes the crop circles .................