The price of my vote has just gone up.

[kentuck]

I will no longer vote for a "moderate" Democrat. Simply because they only obstruct, they do not help with a progressive agenda. Much of the time, on the most important issues, they side with the Republicans. I will no longer waste my vote on one of these "Democrats". It doesn't matter if we have to surrender the majority. I will no longer be bribed with that excuse.

I am a progressive socialist and I will no longer betray my beliefs by voting for Republicans or faux Democrats. That is the vow that I make today.

[NJmaverick]

1. The GOP thanks you for your support

:patriot:

[closeupready]

3. I think you misposted a response to someone else's thread.

Because your post is non-responsive within the context of this thread.

[kentuck]

4. And I will no longer be swayed by comments such as yours.

The lesser of two evils is not a winning argument. I will still vote and there are a lot of good progressive Democrats that will be running and they will get my vote. But, Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and their kind, can kiss my ass.

[NJmaverick]

7. Like I said the GOP thanks you. The rest of us are less than pleased that you are willing

to toss us under the bus (the bush years were a living hell).

[walldude]

10. Speak for yourself...

The rest of us.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NJmaverick]

11. Sorry! Walldude liked the bush years so he is OK with your plans

[walldude]

17. Yes put words in my mouth

Sorry, I'm not stupid enough to believe that just because someone has a "D" next to their name they support progressive ideals. You go ahead and march in lock step and smile when you get stabbed in the back... again. Me, I'll support people who deserve it, not people with a stupid designation next to their name.

[verges]

81. What do you do when

neither of the candidates supports "progressive ideals"? In most elections, there are only two possible outcomes. To vote for a minor third candidate only reinforces the worse of the two main candidates.

Is it really better, in an election between a moderate dem and a teabag repub that are running neck and neck, to vote for a third party socialist who's likely to only get 15 votes anyway?

[kentuck]

14. You had your chance.

You blew it. My vote is more important than that. It means something to me.

[NJmaverick]

15. You need to stop focusing on yourself. Your vote means something to everyone and your plans

to bring back the Bush years will hurt us all.

[kentuck]

19. In that case.

Get your shit together. I will no longer be bribed by such bullshit. "Bring back the Bush years..?" When did they leave?

[NJmaverick]

25. I'm sorry I don't believe we have enough common ground for a good debate

I am one that believes in the greater good and that we should work to help others. I really find it hard to find enough common ground and references to debate someone from the "what's in it for me" crowd.

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[NJmaverick]

38. Sadly I am not being dishonest, you made it clear you are concerned about YOURSELF and your wants

the fact that there are others that may share your wants and interests, doesn't change the narrow and self focused nature of your desires.

[kentuck]

44. and what might be those "narrow and self focused" desires?

Do you have any idea?

[NJmaverick]

We are going around in circles. Please look at post #30 and seriously consider it as an alternative

to your vow. It allows you to push the agenda you like with out helping the GOP (which hurts all of us).

[kentuck]

49. More or less, that is what I said.

I will continue to vote for the liberal and progressive candidates that I believe in. Where do you find the distinction?

[NJmaverick]

52. The differences are what is critical. Post number 30 doesn't help the GOP in anyway

your proposals do.

[kentuck]

57. Did they say they would vote for Democrats they did not agree with?

There are many good Democrats I will still vote for. I refuse to vote anymore for these fake Democrats.

[NJmaverick]

61. Yes they did, the plan calls for getting the most liberal Dems to vote for

and in the end

<<I will not avoid actually voting because that's what the GOP wants.>>

[kentuck]

75. I will do the same...

but I will not vote for a "moderate" Democrat. That is my choice.

[NJmaverick]

76. Then you are not doing the same

Her plan hurts the GOP your's helps them

[kentuck]

77. I will vote for the liberal or progressive.

I will not vote for the "moderate" Democrat. Period. End of story.

[NJmaverick]

78. Well thanks for screwing up our Country

end of story period:thumbsdown:

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[Goldstein1984]

124. Good end--Principles before party politics

"To adopt a platform is to abandon reason"--Thomas Jefferson

I'm completely rethinking my 2010 and 2012 votes.

Issues! Not party. Not compromise (of principles).

Great thread! Great stand.

Thanks you.

[arikara]

142. From where I sit watching

from up north, the so-called "moderate" Democrats have done just that, continue to screw up your country. You dems have a huge majority, it is inconceivable that you shouldn't get your proper health care reform if the dems were truly on your side. I can understand the frustration when you voted overwhelmingly for change and these moderate dems are acting more like repubes.

We have the same problem up here in Canada. A minority neo-con party is running roughshod over the people with the other main party, the neo-libs voting along in lockstep with them on anything that matters. They could bring down the government at any time and form a coalition with a smaller left party, the NDP. But instead they bluster, put on a bit of a show, then go vote along with the neo-cons. It is just a stupid game meant to deceive the public. We Canadians are so apathetic about voting now because it makes absolutely no difference who gets in. We all need good incorruptible people to run, win and change things but the way things stand now I feel exactly the same way as the OP. Whats the point of voting for some corporate paid hack who is not going to work for the benefit of the people.

[G_j]

136. what about the "moderate" Democrats who get into office & then help the GOP?

wouldn't voting for them be, you know, helping the GOP?

[MNDemNY]

103. No sense arguing with that one.

He's one of the biggest water-carriers for the so called "centrists" (read: DLC, or "New Democrat")Totally in the pocket of the corporatist mob.

[NJmaverick]

127. You sound bitter- oh and is "water carrier" your little trick to get around the no "cheer leader"

rule? sneaky and bitter not a good combination

[kctim]

89. Huh?

Liberals/progressives make up around 20% of the Democratic Party. I guess that 'could' be considered "many" Democrats in a way, but its definetely not "much of America."

[treestar]

119. That's really absurd

Really, really absurd.

[dgibby]

24. "You need to stop focusing on yourself."

LOL! Waiting for your spin-off op in 3...2...1...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[Luminous Animal]

41. The GOP thanks you!

The GOP thanks you for continuing to vote for Democratic candidates that are ideologically aligned with the Republican party. Doing so advances the Republican agenda without draining the finances of the GOP.

[NJmaverick]

45. and yet those Dems allowed the Democratic party to appoint liberals to various positions of power

in Congress. You need a more complex view of a complicated world.

[Luminous Animal]

107. Given their minority status in regards to other Dems

in Congress, how would they have stopped the party from appointing liberals? Their power as DINOs in Congress rests with their alliance with Republicans on legislative matters.

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[NJmaverick]

85. Well I guess a DISHONEST personal attack is a good alternative to an intelligent

post

[xiamiam]

66. what do you mean..the rest of us.?..how can you even think that is appropriate now?

[dysfunctional press]

92. i'm not 'less than pleased'- i agree with the op 100%.

[JoeyT]

129. Then perhaps progressives should be thrown a couple bones by the administration?

I love how progressives being unwilling to support people that openly revile them is throwing centrists under the bus.
This is roughly the same logic religious fanatics use when they scream they're being persecuted by not being allowed harass gay people.

You're throwing me under the bus by refusing to be thrown under the bus, you ungrateful liberals!

[SharonAnn]

30. You can't vot e for all of them. Only those who represent your geographical area.

Here's the deal I made:

I vote for the most liberal Democrat who is available on the ticket I can vote on.

I financially support the most liberal Democrat who has even a remote chance of winning no matter what geographic area they represent.

I will not avoid actually voting because that's what the GOP wants.

Though I am hurt by the actions of Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus, I am helped by the actions of Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, Sherrod Brown, etc..

So, I vote for whoever I am able to vote for on my ballot but I contribute to any liberals I can find who have a potential to affect national legislation in the House and Senate. I have contributed

I do the same statewide here in Tennessee. Because I live in East Tennessee, there often are not any Democrats running for positions that are on my ballot. If there are, I vote for them even if they're not liberal. However, I support other Democrats running for the State Legislature if they represent my ideals, even if I can't vote for them.

[NJmaverick]

34. This is a far superior and effective position to take. Thanks for sharing it

[dgibby]

40. That's what I do, too.

It just makes sense to me. I'm in SC, so in order to support liberals/progressives, most of my donations have to go out of state because the L's and P's are endangered species here.

Not voting isn't an option (for me), so will vote, even if it means 3rd party or write-in, but would prefer to vote Dem,even if I have to hold my nose sometimes.

[verges]

79. For primaries, that's terrific!!

But, for general elections, you really only have a serious choice of two. One Republican. One Democrat. And if you don't vote for the Democrat, you make it one less vote that the Republican has to make up. Their job becomes easier.

[NJmaverick]

83. Thank you for pointing out what should be considered the most important facts

[FiveGoodMen]

111. Just like careless washing with anti-bacterial soap produces super-bugs

Voting for lesser-of-two-evils Democrats produces super DINOs.

The Democratic Party is just one short step behind the pukes in their rightward stampede. Nothing slows them up because they can always count on the left to hold their noses and vote for Ds.

We have created a corrupt, cynical party by supporting them no matter what.

We have to stop it.

[verges]

128. So are you suggesting we let the Republicans win?

If your only choices are a moderate Dem and a Repub, what do you do? Vote for a third party who stands no chance of winning?

[treestar]

118. Oh yes it is

those evils are not equal. What you get now is nothing like what you get with a Rethug Congress. You want to be miserable? Really miserable? You've forgotten the past 8 years already, apparently.

[Ganja Ninja]

22. And the likes of Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, and the rest of the Bluddogs ...

Thank You for your support. With the Bluedogs around it's hard to tell the GOP is out of power.

[Subdivisions]

27. How dare you say such a thing! Where in kentuck's post does he say

he would stop suppporting Democrats? Where in his post does he say he will support the GOP?

ketuck is a beloved, thoughtful, and generous member of this forum! How dare you disrepect him so!

[NJmaverick]

31. How dare I disagree with a popular person?!?!??!

that has to be one of the sickest concepts I have seen posted in some time, and considering the drek I have been reading of late that is saying a lot.

[Subdivisions]

37. You didn't just disagree with him, you charged him with supporting the GOP! Get your

shit straight! And, you FAILED to answer the questions I posed: Where in kentuck's post does he say he would stop suppporting Democrats? And, where in his post does he say he will support the GOP?

[NJmaverick]

42. If his actions are supporting the GOP, which they are, why should I remain quiet?

sorry but I don't hold popular as some sort of sacred position that is not allowed to be questioned.

[Subdivisions]

47. Answer my goddamned questions! n/t

[NJmaverick]

50. What's the magic word?

[MNDemNY]

106. "Whorship"????

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MNDemNY]

105. That one is hopeless.

he "whorships"(sic) {his word} a TV Doc, what do you expect? Total "centrist" water carrier.

[asdjrocky]

43. Dude, are you afraid of the dark too?

[NJmaverick]

53. I am afraid of the dark days when bush ruled from the White House

[asdjrocky]

60. Lol, fear just cracks me up.

You have a nice day now.

[NJmaverick]

62. Well if you enjoyed them so much, maybe you should consider more direct aid to them

[asdjrocky]

67. Stop being stupid.

Just stop. Are you really suggesting that I give money to repugs because I'm unhappy with the Democratic Party? Don't offer me two shit sandwiches and tell me one tastes a little less shitty so go ahead and take a bite.

Understand that they work for us.

[NJmaverick]

68. Pot meet kettle

[asdjrocky]

71. What?

Do you even know what that means? Did you get ahold of your mothers password?

[NJmaverick]

72. yawn

:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:

[MNDemNY]

112. Wake the fuck up!!! "House" is on!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: "Whorship":rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sharp_stick]

56. Oh Don't Bother

The whining will just get louder and higher pitched until it causes a massive migraine. The spineless bunch that gives up on the Presidency this easily will not be swayed, they want what they want and truly don't give a shit about anything else.

[NJmaverick]

65. I am afraid you are correct

your comments reminded me of this article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7200147

[sharp_stick]

84. Thanks for the link

I hadn't read that before. I think everyone believes the majority of the country always agrees with them and they get mighty pissed off when it turns out that they don't get what they want.

The amount of bitching and moaning that goes on around here is pathetic though. One year into a Presidency after 8 years of puke domination over everything and people are wanting to dump it all in favor of some socialist "utopia" that doesn't have a chance in hell of ever being realized. The United States is a country that vacillates center-left to center-right depending on the issue and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

This is just as idiotic as the RW assholes trying to set up religious or libertarian communes in backwoods nowhere supposedly as a wedge to build to a national consensus based on their beliefs.

[readmoreoften]

115. Three logical fallacies (intellectual dishonesties, if you will) at work in your post:

(1) False dilemma--there are other modes of expression of personal political will in a democratic republic than voting for the status quo powers, neither of whom represent your interests.
(2) Strawman--the weakest characterization possible of an opponent's argument in order to make them appear ridiculous.
(3) Confusion of a Necessary with a Sufficient condition--not supporting a Democrat is a necessary condition of supporting a Republican, but in order to support Republicans, you have to take positive action towards a Republican candidate. Supporting Republicans is more than "not-supporting Democrats."

If your argument is that "'not-supporting Democrats' is something Republicans do", then you are adding a fourth fallacy (intellectual dishonesty) to your argument, one called "the fallacy of the undistributed middle". Here, it works as follows:

Republicans don't vote for Democrats
X didn't vote for a Democrat
X must be a Republican.

This argument is logically invalid. You have simply failed to distinguish between the "subject" and "predicate" of the sentence. It is no more valid than:

Vegetarians don't eat meat
Strawberries don't eat meat
Vegetarians must be strawberries

See! Total nonsense!

[mike_c]

2. you join an ever enlarging group of folks...

...who are tired of pretending enthusiasm for the lessor evil. :hi:

[defendandprotect]

140. I think we have to begin the way Wm. Greider and Michael Moore are

advoocating it -- target the Democrats who vote with Republicans . . .

and seek out liberal/progressive Democrats and finance them --

other than that, we also have to stick together, folks --

We need to be a moving BLOC of voters . . . not a few stragglers moving off --

[HughMoran]

5. The GOP thanks you for the vote

Giving up only promotes the Republicans - they certainly aren't supporting your progressive-socialist ideals.

[jtrockville]

8. Democrats ignore the sentiment at their own peril.

If they want to behave like Republicans, why should we distingish between the two?

[HughMoran]

13. I am not promoting Democrats acting like Repiublicans

Some do - does that mean we throw our the baby with the bathwater?

Will Republican rule, which will silence the good Democrats work better for you?

Sadly, the "bad" Democrats allow the good to have a part in making policy.

[jtrockville]

16. Silence of "good" democrats = what we have now.

They may not be exactly silenced, but it's clear they have absolutely no influence.

And no, it's not working for me.

[HughMoran]

29. So voting out Democrats will help give us a voice how?

This is all that will be accomplished if Democrats stay away from the polls in more "moderate" districts. It's "cut off your nose to spite your face" mentality.

[jtrockville]

90. So voting Democrats in will help give us a voice how?

Even if we have to hold our to vote for the Democrat, we're cutting off our nose.

We are already living with your predition of gloom and doom.

[HughMoran]

94. If your attitude is "we failed already" and "doom and gloom" is what we have now

Then no, there's no politician in the world who can fix that. I'd suggest finding a different hobby than politics if that's how you see our current situation. It's bad enough that George Bush pushed us into this Great Recession, reveling in it and bringing down the man who is committed to helping us out of it is suicidal and I'm not playing that game.

[jtrockville]

95. Suicidal? Sounds like you need a different hobby.

I thought we were discussing how we'll cast our next votes.

Actually, I think there ARE politicians who can help fix our broken system. I'm just not convinced they all have a "D" after their name.

I'm sorry you don't think we can fix what's broken, except by perpetuating what we already have.

[HughMoran]

97. lol - nice change in tone

I love how when you call someone on their "doomsayer" tone, they suddenly become people with "reasonable" disagreements. Fine with me, glad you're not as grim as you said in the previous post.

[jtrockville]

99. I think you misunderstood. The outlook for Democrats is very grim.

They're messing things up badly enough to be equated with Republicans.

[HughMoran]

100. Some.

Saying "Democrats" as if all Democrats are "equated to Republicans" is dishonest and everybody here knows it!

[jtrockville]

110. I hold the whole group (particularly the leadership) accountable.

If Democrats, who hold the majority, want to let Republicans run the show, then they ALL will suffer the consequences.

A vote for Democrats is like a vote for Republicans. Either way, Repulicans rule.

[kentuck]

9. The so-called "moderate" Democrats are no friend of mine..

and neither are you. You are not very persuasive.

[HughMoran]

33. So will giving power back to Republicans by staying home on election day

...give the progressive Democrats MORE say or LESS?

[kentuck]

39. Who's staying home??

I'm voting for the most liberal and progressive candidates. I am not voting for any "moderate" Democrat. That is my choice. I have seen the results and it is not good.

[HughMoran]

48. So, you're essentially giving a Republican a vote

Your choice - not my problem - but I am a little leery about promoting other Democrats to do this. In marginal districts this could easily give give the Republicans a seat or two where Dems have a clear majority. It's going to be difficult enough to motivate Dems to come out next fall. The seats here in NH are just the kind that we could lose to this sort of apathy - the House folks here are good Dems too. I'm really against the type of thinking you are promoting here.

[kentuck]

54. Well, you had better talk to your moderate Democratic Congressmen...

or they will be home watching football and eating pretzels... They serve no meaningful purpose.

[HughMoran]

59. So keeping a Democratic majority "serves no meaningful purpose"

Is that what you're saying? Because that's the end result of NOT voting for Dems who don't meet your progressive-socialist criterion.

[walldude]

12. Nelson, Lieberman, Lincoln..

Just because they have a "D" next to their names or an "I" for that matter, doesn't mean they represent progressive ideals.

[HughMoran]

26. Kucinich, Capuano, Lee, Sanders, Brown, Grayson

You also take away their ability to initiate change when you remove the Democrats from power.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[walldude]

46. Well, they have all the power and I don't see much change

And no one here is talking about returning power to the Republicans, that's just a childish response to a debate that can't be won. What we are talking about is moving further to the left. All these people who think they are safe need to be challenged. I'm hoping for a vicious nasty primary season where blue dogs get challenged for their seats. Because voting for the lesser of two evils isn't getting us anywhere.

[HughMoran]

55. I'm all for primary challenges

But "lesser of two evils" votes typically pit a "moderate" Democrat against a Republican. If you think we can't lose our majority if people stay home or vote third party in the many dozens of marginal districts (like the ones here in my state of NH), then you are the one being "childish". This isn't a child's game I'm talking about.

[Ignis]

113. Message discipline for the win!

False dichotomies appear to be the bread and butter of this crowd.

:thumbsdown:

[HughMoran]

121. yep

You got it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Gosh, what a radical thought! Politicians having to earn votes rather than have them endowed. K&R

[LWolf]

6. You are not alone. nt

[KharmaTrain]

18. The Job Is Only Beginning...

Those who thought we had turned this country from right to left with one or two elections deserve to feel disappointed. The rise of the Democratic party was due to both the implosion and corruption of the rushpublican party during the last boooosh years and a desire (finally) to try to change the Democratic party. That job has had limited successes. Yes, there are now Democratic majorities and a Democratic President, but this was just getting back into the game...to get the rushpublicans out of power. The next phase has begun...to consolidate and expand the gains made in the last two elections. It's supporting "better" Democrats...however you define that to be. If you are upset with your local representation, the time is now to find a local candidate to work for and support. If you're in an area where there is either a solid Democrat or crimson red rushpublican, then find someone nearby who can use the help.

I'm picking about 5 to 10 primaries to donate...a lot rides on the healthcare votes and then do the same in the general. It's not the cost of my vote that matters here...it's the $100 or so that goes to help in other districts. The netroots has grown in power but the job is just starting. Instead of throwing up hands and heading to the sidelines (which only helps the rushpublicans), the tough job next year is to re-energize a Democratic party that is the best hope for any long-term and lasting change.

[kentuck]

23. The present Democratic Party wants to remain in power..

but they don't want to do the heavy lifting required to stay in power. They have taken the liberal progressive vote for granted. No longer.

[liberal N proud]

20. After 4 years of President Palin and 6 years of a Republican Congress

you will vote for any Democrat.

[kentuck]

28. You might?

But I will not. We have heard that song before.

[BeFree]

21. Bull

You will vote for the Democratic party member whether you like it or not.

And you'll be damn lucky if it's counted correctly!!

[cali]

32. how noble of you.

[Birthmark]

51. I'm not a progressive socialist, however...

...I applaud your principle and agree with your view on voting.

[ima_sinnic]

58. I'm with you on that

esp. since a few have indicated that "purists" (i.e., people who are actually stupid enough to believe in the principles and ideals of the Democratic Party) are no longer welcome to "belong" to the Democratic Party (or presumably to vote for Democrats).

Are there enough fence-sitters and mealy-mouthed unprincipled compromisers to actually win an election? And if so, who cares? Their candidates wouldn't be worth squat.

[dgibby]

64. Yeah, that was a real kick in the ass!

Note to self: NEVER read stuff like that while drinking coffee. Must now go buy new keyboard.

[ima_sinnic]

70. lol! yes, unbelievable, isn't it? (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Ah, the Nader doctrine.

Yes, that's very wise.

[Turk 182]

69. between a rock and .........

The problem is we progressives are caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place. The center and right of the Democratic party knows we can't abandon them because the alternative is worse. So I think that SharonAnn's post outlines the only true options we have.
Support the most liberal Dems you can, no matter where geographically, with your wallet.
encourage primary fights where feasible.
After the election, continue to be active with donations and calls and emails and letters.

Consider this: The founders of our country designed the government so that it would react and respond to the popular will, but slowly. This was done purposefully to avoid the wild swings that we see in some European countries where governments and policies can change over night, and change once again the next day. Overall, this has worked fairly well. Not perfectly by a long shot, but it has lead to slow steady progress. I know that this is not fast enough for those of us who see so much corruption, injustice, incompetence, greed, etc.

Like the Tortoise and the Hare- slow and steady wins the race. Lets whine all we want, but don't stop running and doing everything we can to change our country for the better.

[kentuck]

73. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is called....

insanity.






...

[Shagbark Hickory]

74. Gravel was on the ballots here in GA and I looked at that I said to myself, I'm sorry, I want to ...

vote for you, Mr. Gravel but I don't want to waste my vote.
It turns out I may have wasted it anyway.

Lesson learned.

[salguine]

86. Voting your conscience is NEVER a wasted vote. People think any vote is wasted if

it's cast for someone who doesn't win; that if the candidate for whom you've voted "wins", then you haven't wasted your vote.

I think if you voted for someone who wins and then immediately stabs you in the back , again and again and again, THAT'S a wasted vote.

I voted for Obama. THAT was a wasted vote.

[Shagbark Hickory]

91. I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the 2000 election. That was still fresh in my mind.

It was a bad year to vote your conscience!

[salguine]

98. So did I. I normally do. For some reason, despite my own common sense telling me

otherwise, I thought Obama might be different. I will NEVER make that mistake again.

[kctim]

82. If you are a "progressive socialist"

WHY would you have EVER voted for a Democrat?

[FailingParachute]

87. Thank you kentuck

Just think what would happen if pretend progressives actually turned into real ones. Why, we might atually start to make a difference.

Instead, we get warmed-up hopelessly discredited rubbish like "the GOP thanks you."

The bat-shit crazy GOP far right is not the problem - everyone knows who they are and what they stand for.

The problem lies with those who CAN NOT and WILL NOT put their efforts into true progressive change, but instead blather on about how they are "stopping" some type of political train wreck by voting for make believe lefties.

Those folks are the problem - not the right.

[snooper2]

88. progressive socialist

What percentage of Americans identify with that?

Good Luck though! Stranger things have happened :P

[inna]

93. Enthusiastic K&R!

Anybody have a link (or links) to "progressive socialist" sites?

[anonymous171]

96. President Palin will thanks you for your support

:sarcasm:

:thumbsup:

[Hatchling]

102. President Palin will be thanking the current Administration for its support.

:thumbsup:

[bahrbearian]

101. K&R

[FiveGoodMen]

108. Right there with ya!

[Individualist]

109. +1

[Ignis]

114. K&R. Don't let the Rahmites get you down, Kentuck. (nt)

[Divine Discontent]

116. good expression of what many of us feel.

Many of the current crop of Dems would pass greatly as Moderate Republicans...


Sad.

[treestar]

117. It depends on your state

If there is really no chance of a leftist liberal then a Blue Dog is still better than a Repuke, especially of the type you'd get from conservative states.

These states have disproportionate power because of the Senate. They tend to drag us all to the right. Why help with that?

[goldcanyonaz]

120. I know this won't be a popular comment but this is why we lose elections.

Third party candidates have no chance in winning a presidential election.

There are only 2 choices and they are' evil or more evil.

No one candidate is ever going to give you everything but the other candidate might just take away what little we have now.

My vote is for the supreme court and I know it reads as shallow but until we change the system that's how my voting will always be.

[FailingParachute]

123. To paraphrase Kucinich - "they would if you'd vote for them"

What you have now are two almost identical corporate run parties who BOTH share the common goal of excluding third party input.

Every time you use your above-mentioned logic all it does is reinforce the fact that we have NO honest elections in this country.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy - you hit someone over the head with a brick and then conclude they are mentally incapable of answering a question put to them 30 seconds after the brick.

What both parties fear is how the question would be answered if not for the brick, so they always keep a supply of them handy, then convince you (John Q. Gullible Voter) that they are the only two clear headed people in the race.

Fascinating, ain't it?

It should be the job of EVERY voter to make sure the bricks are never used, not to conclude that only the brick-owners have a chance to win. If you want to vote for them then more power to you, but until the bricks are gone don't kid yourself into believing that what you did was anything more than help rig a crooked game.

[Le Taz Hot]

137. Excellent.

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[Raine]

122. My vote isn't free anymore

I expect to get something for it, something progressive. I'm not just giving it away from here on out.

[donco6]

125. Me too. Michael Bennet better watch out. I'll be supporting Romanoff. n/t

[rateyes]

126. Welcome to the club! I joined it 4 years ago.

That's the last time I voted for the Blue Dog POS that is my (mis)Representative in Congress.

Jim Marshall can plant his rosy red lips on my rosy red ass.

[Union Yes]

130. Solidarity Brother! knr

[PuraVidaDreamin]

131. Thanks kentuck

I had hope... such pretty words... Hope & Change...

I now have reality- and we may have to let things get really bad, instead of little band-aid fixes- that will only prolong
the inevitable. I'm ready to face these hardships.

[Echo In Light]

132. K&R

[shadowknows69]

133. I got about a dozen people hoping for my TSing when I said the same a while back.

I suspect you'll fare better. K+R

[KG]

134. The price of my vote has just gone up, too.

it's now eleventy hundred dollars. i'm getting behind in my bills. :P

[shadowknows69]

135. ROFL. Bravo. Any chance to use eleventy in a sentence gets cheers from me.

[SIMPLYB1980]

138. May I suggests....

[defendandprotect]

139. How many decades ago . . .

were we learning about the dangers of voting for "the lesser of evils" . . . ???

Otoh, while I consider myself a flaming liberal, I think it's also clear that we all

have to wake up and whatever we do about these betrayals that we do them together --

that will count . . .

I think we have to give serious attention to moving out the DLC and their candidates

and moving in liberals/progressives . . . that is, if we truly want to change America????



:)

[Umbral]

141. Good, I don't know why so many Democrats think that because you're liberal, they own your vote. nt

[JVS]

143. I'm with you. I don't see how putting bad caucus-mates into office really helps us.

[bear425]

144. I said essentially this to a friend recently and she replied with:

"That's all well and good during the primaries, but certainly you will still vote for the D when it comes down the the general, right?"

I told her I'm conflicted about it, but, yes, I will still vote for the D rather than sit out and give the R's an advantage.

Kentuck, Will you still vote for the moderate D during the general? or just sit out?

I'm with you regarding voting progressive from now on, but it's a dilemma.