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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:46 PM
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Nine Years Ago Tomorrow, Everything Changed....
http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/777777122240/

This is a long analysis...but the essential part of this illegal decision by the Gang of Five is below...their decision in Bush v Gore has no standing in legal precendent, and was, in fact, unconstitutional...this decision made a mockery of our democracy, the ramifications of which were felt for 8 years of the worst president this country has ever had. No, the ramifications are still being felt...a big FU to five of the smallest legal minds in history - Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist, Kennedy and O'Connor.

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Third, the majority's five-to-four decision not to remand the case to enable Florida to conduct a constitutionally appropriate recount with a more specific definition of "intent of the voter" has been attacked by almost everyone. The majority asserted that because the Florida legislature may have intended to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provision of federal law, which required a selection of electors by December 12--the date of the Supreme Court's decision, there was simply no time left for any further recount.

There is virtually no one who will defend this conclusion as a matter of law. Even as respected a conservative legal scholar as Michael McConnell has strongly chastised the Court on this count, noting that although the Florida legislature could theoretically have adopted such a statute, in fact it never did so. How, then, can one explain the refusal of these five Justices to remand the case to Florida for a further recount consistent with their interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause? Some of the Court's most fervent apologists have argued that these Justices, in a burst of noble pragmatism, did the nation a service by putting an end to a controversy that was threatening to spin out of control. Frankly, I would have been more impressed with these particular Justices' nobility if the consequence of their decision had been to install as president the Democratic candidate for the job.

But, in the actual circumstances presented, I find this argument wishful, at best. There was, in fact, no political crisis facing the nation. There was no social unrest, no paralysis of government, no lack of discipline in foreign affairs, no instability in the financial markets, no crisis in consumer confidence, no stockpiling of goods. Perhaps there was too much C-SPAN, but that hardly threatens the Republic. Surely, there was no more of a crisis facing the nation during the Bush/Gore post-election dispute than there was during the abortive attempt to impeach the President. But no one called that to a halt to avoid a "crisis."

Would a further recount have been messy? You bet. There were all sorts of things that could have gone wrong after December 12 both in Florida and in Congress, and not many that could have gone right. But was this a constitutionally legitimate reason for the Supreme Court of the United States to halt the recount of legal votes in Florida? No.

The plain and simple fact is that if this matter could not have been finally resolved in Florida prior to the convening of the Electoral College, the appropriate forum for determining the outcome of the presidential election was Congress, the politically accountable branch of government and the branch that is expressly charged both by the Constitution and by federal law with this responsibility. No one has given this authority to the Supreme Court of the United States.

After the Hayes-Tilden election of 1876, the nation enacted legislation to deal with precisely this sort of controversy, and carefully reserved to Congress the responsibility to resolve contested presidential elections. As Senator Sherman noted in introducing this legislation in 1886, Congress expressly contemplated and rejected a role for the Supreme Court in such controversies:

"It has been proposed," Senator Sherman explained, that in the event of a dispute about the legitimacy of Electors,


. . . the matter should be referred to the Supreme Court. But . . . we ought not to mingle our great judicial tribunal with political questions. It would be a very grave fault indeed to refer such questions, in which the people of the country were aroused, and about which their feelings were excited, to this great tribunal, which after all has to sit upon the life and property of all the people of the United States. It would tend to bring that court into public odium . . . .

In Bush v. Gore, the five-member majority ignored not only this wisdom, but the law itself. Their decision to prevent Florida from counting what the Court itself accepted as "legal votes" under state law may have been pragmatic, but it was not lawful.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:44 PM
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1. Vanity kick...
...this is an important event in the history of this country.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:52 AM
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21. agreed
a travesty the consequences of which may persist for the rest of this country's (possibly shortened) history.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:23 PM
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2. k&r nt
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:36 PM
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3. You said it, brother. The days since Dec. 12th, 2000 have been dark indeed.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:39 PM
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4. I love the way George Bush and the Repukes said 9-11 changed everything...
...nope, happened almost exactly 11 months earlier.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:40 PM
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5. K&R ...yes, Nader hadn't a thing to do with what was already planned (PNAC)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:44 PM
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6. "Smirk" - xCommander AWOL (R)
Edited on Fri Dec-11-09 03:45 PM by SpiralHawk
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:51 PM
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7. It also killed "States' Rights"
If there were truly a test of "states' rights" that was it. The right of a state to decide entirely by itself the outcome of its own state election. By dragging it out of state into the federal courts, Bush killed "states' rights" once and for all.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 03:54 PM
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8. Ah, but that's what makes Bush v Gore even worse...it was not only
NOT based on precedent, but the Gang of Five said it couldn't be used as precedent, in other words, no one could ever use the decision as the basis for any other future decision. Absolutely phucking ridiculous...they made a mockery of democracy, the constitution, and of the entire judicial system.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:16 PM
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9. bigger landmark date than 9/11 in so many ways
IMO 9/11 would not have happened if Dec 12 had come down on the side of law instead of who-we-like- this-year at the SCOTUS.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:18 PM
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10. Yeah, we would have had a President paying attention...a president
and a head of the NSC who didn't disregard important memos.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:59 PM
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11. Gonna keep kicking at least util tomorrow...n/t
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:01 PM
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12. K&R....oh what could have been....sigh....thanks for the reminder. nt
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:03 PM
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13. K&R. That was a very dark day for our country. nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:44 PM
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14. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, joeybee.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:47 PM
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15. Anytime...
...people should not forget this travesty.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 08:35 PM
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16. Yep. Truly a day that will live in infamy.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:08 AM
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17. K&R n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:18 AM
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18. But, but... no I will not go there
but you know who people blame instead of these five.

historians will not be gentle... I don't think.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:25 AM
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19. I think the Mayan calendar is off by 12 years
The end of the cycle was in 2000, not coming in 2012.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 02:43 PM
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24. I suppose if one can say the earth is the center of the galaxy then...
There's little stretch to say the US is the center of the world I guess. :tinfoilhat:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:06 AM
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20. Kick for history
I am really tempted to join the Rec/Unrec Whine club, that this thread has so few recs, when this is about the travesty that launched 8 years of debacle. Ooops, guess I just did.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:25 PM
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22. OMGorsh, that WAS Dec 12th when democracy died, wasn't it. The essential thing to remember:
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 12:54 PM by mistertrickster
Out of all the spin and muddle, the media consortium found that had Florida conducted a full state-wide recount (this was the only scenario that was legal under Florida's law REQUIRING a mandatory state-wide recount) and if all the "over-votes" had been counted as under Florida law they must be (over-votes are when a voter punches a chad for Gore and writes in Gore's name on the "write-in candidate" line), the Al Gore would have won by some 700 votes.

The invasion of Iraq would have never happened.

9-11 might well have been prevented.

The financial crisis might never have happened to the extent that it did since Bush neutered the regulatory agencies.

Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas . . . their names will live in infamy like the Plessy v Ferguson and the Dred Scott courts.

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Source:

Without overvotes Gore was doomed

Thousands of votes were rejected because of extra marks emphasizing the voters' real choice.

By STEVE BOUSQUET and THOMAS C. TOBIN, Times Staff Writers

published November 12, 2001


"Gore could have picked up 2,182 votes last November on overvotes where voter intent is clear, and Bush would have gained 1,309 votes, the media companies' analysis shows. That difference would have enabled Gore to defeat Bush in any statewide recount that included overvotes, regardless of what statewide standard for counting undervotes was used."

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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:59 AM
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27. The media recount was the news of the day
on September 11 2001.
Until something else happened that day.
K&R for the reminder of the day our country was stolen.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:03 PM
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23. K&R
:kick:
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 02:49 PM
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25. Does this mean Gore can sue their pants off?
Since it was he that was damaged by this unlawful decision...can't he sue?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:44 AM
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26. I couldn't log on yesterday...the Day of Infamy...
...so a vanity kick today...
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