No one told the base that Obama is losing the base (results of PPP Poll)

[WI_DEM]

overall Obama has a 53% approval rating.

Our new poll suggests that liberal unhappiness with Barack Obama is still largely anecdotal and not very widespread. His approval rating with liberal Democrats is 95%, with only 3% disapproving of him.
On health care 88% of voters in that group say they're with Obama and only 7% are opposed. There is a little more unrest with him on Afghanistan. 68% of liberal Democrats support his approach there with 22% opposed. Even with those who disagree with him on the issue 81% express approval of his overall job performance so it doesn't seem to be a deal breaker by any means.

Certainly media outlets can go out and find some individuals on the left disenchanted with Obama if they want to push a Democratic disunity narrative but it's hard to make much more than an anecdotal case on that front. For the most part liberal Democrats are pretty content with Obama

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/11/813226/-SELL-OUT!-No-one-told-the-base-that-Obama-is-losing-the-base

full cross tabs:
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
ALL 53 42 5
MEN 42 55 3
WOMEN 64 29 7
DEM 86 8 6
REP 4 94 2
IND 51 45 4
OTHER 47 46 7
NON VOTE 61 31 8
WHITE 44 52 4
BLACK 86 7 7
LATINO 65 28 7
OTH/REF 65 28 7
18-29 80 16 4
30-44 40 53 7
45-59 64 34 2
60+ 34 59 7
NORTHEAST 84 8 8
SOUTH 24 75 1
MIDWEST 58 35 7
WEST 57 38 5
REST OF USA 65 28 7
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/12/10

Accding to this poll where Obama has real problem is with senior voters--only a 34% approval rating (and they do turn out to vote, so he needs to work on that)and southerners only 24% approval in South which is bringing down his overall numbers.

[bluestateguy]

1. On a few specific issues, he has disappointed me. Overall, I think he is doing great.

and every day I thank God that he is my president.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. LOL

[NJmaverick]

3. Someone needs to invite the author to DU, then they will see supposed liberals

that not only are unhappy with Obama, many are on the verge (or have already crossed over) to hatred.

[MineralMan]

8. What!?!!!11 Do you mean that DU doesn't represent all Democrats?

Who knew?

[WI_DEM]

11. Some on DU think that DU is representative of all dems but they really aren't

DU is mainly left wing, yes, but not necessarily democratic. There are many Greens, Socialist, etc here.

[shadowknows69]

56. When we criticized Bush we were all Dems. Now many of us are greens or socialists.

Got it.

[MineralMan]

59. Situational politics. And there it is.

[HughMoran]

98. That's a revelation

I'm shocked. No, really I am. :hangover:

[pnwmom]

15. They will also see a lot of third party people (Nader people, Greens, etc.)

who have always been here complaining that Dems aren't progressive enough.


So the fact that they're complaining about Obama is not news.

[MineralMan]

60. If they're Greens or whatever, they're not Democrats. Last I looked,

it still says Democratic Underground at the top of the page.

[pnwmom]

89. Yes, but the rules also say that any progressive can post here,

they just can't put up posts in support of candidates who are running against Democrats.

So what I'm saying is that this group is not typical of average voting Democrats, in part because it comprises other progressives, too.

[MineralMan]

94. Of course. I never suggested that people not post.

I'm just suggesting that a little decorum be maintained. I'm growing weary of the ugliness coming from some here towards the man who was elected President. It's getting really, really tiresome.

[pnwmom]

121. I couldn't agree more, Mineral Man. nt

[Bluebear]

17. "Supposed liberals" - you never stop, do you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Well, the "supposed liberals" never stop.

So us real liberals aren't going to stop either.

[NJmaverick]

21. I think "real liberal" may be a bit too strong

however one of the supposed liberals, was exposed as a closet racist just yesterday (and was banned). So the supposed is to qualify that not all those working against Obama, the Dems in Congress and the Democratic party are who they say they are.

[Odin2005]

27. Wow, really? Which poster?

:wow:

[NJmaverick]

30. This one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7195823

[Odin2005]

33. Oh THAT! I interpreted that as an "Uncle Tom" accusation, not a racist one.

Not that I think it wasn't a disgusting post... :puke:

[NJmaverick]

34. Those were not the comments of any sort of liberal would have made

that's my feeling on the matter. That and I feel they were racist.

[Odin2005]

35. I guess that must be my Asperger's Syndrome showing, then.

Interpreting things literally and not seeing the implied racist overtones? :shrug: Good God, am I THAT fucking blind to that kind of stuff? :banghead:

[freddie mertz]

126. Wow. That was ugly. nt.

[NJmaverick]

134. and that was someone claiming to be a liberal. Hence the term "supposed"

[freddie mertz]

149. Yes. Of course, I am one of the "so-called liberal carpers" here myself.

That doesn't mean I can't recognize idiocy when I read it.

It is not fair to tarnish the large majority of reasonable, informed critics with the words of a moron.

Same goes the other way, of course.

[NJmaverick]

20. Not as long as the supposed liberals here work to actively undermine the Democratic party

the Democrats in Congress and the Democratic President. No I am not going to stop trying to prevent another GOP disaster.

[madfloridian]

39. Define "supposed liberals". As opposed to "real liberals"

I want to know your definition.

Am I supposed or real, and by what definition.

[NJmaverick]

45. Supposed liberals means that they are self professed, but not confirmed

for example one self confessed liberal was found to be a closet racist just yesterday and was banned. So not everyone claiming to be a liberal has proven to be a liberal.


I have no reason to believe you are not a liberal, but it's not hard to believe that there may be other racists or even paid operatives of the GOP posing as liberals here at DU.

[shadowknows69]

57. Do tell what are the warning signs we may be a "fake" liberal

I want to be able to get help if this is the case with me. :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

129. See post 128

[certainot]

81. on talk radio paid callers are part of the show

it makes sense there would be a similar effort in the blogs.

when one sees repetition of limbaugh hannity talking points from self professed liberals in criticism of obama one wonders, but that BS is so pervasive it's everywhere.

[NJmaverick]

131. There have been numerous reports of paid political operatives on the net

so this is a very real and likely possibility.

[GreenArrow]

91. "Not everyone claiming to be a liberal

has proven to be a liberal."

I agree. I tend to think that people who support the Afghanistan surge and the health insurance reform giveaway, don't seem particularly liberal; rather, they are simply partisans.

[spoony]

125. And how does the process of "proving" one is a liberal go?

How do any of us know you're one? How do we know you're not a paid operative yourself? What do we really know about YOU?

[NJmaverick]

128. The latest polls show 88% of all liberals support Obama

yet the unrecs around here show that it's completely the opposite at DU. That means either we have a serious problem with sock puppets, the anti-Obama crowd has driven off most of the sensible Obama supporting liberals or not everyone claiming to be a liberal here is one (unless this place is one hell of an incredible statistical anomaly).

[jgraz]

54. As opposed to supposed "mavericks" who toe the party line at every opportunity

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

132. See post 128

[jgraz]

146. Congrats on being part of the herd

Your mother must be so proud.

[closeupready]

4. People haven't had enough time to form opinions. We need another year.

n/t

[treestar]

5. DU is not very representative

Not that it needs to be.

[Arctic Dave]

6. PPP Poll? Never heard of them.

[WI_DEM]

10. Does it make you mad that liberal democrats approve of Obama?

And it isn't only this poll if you look at breakdown of other polls liberals and Democrats still overwhelmingly support and like President Obama. I don't doubt that some on the left don't approve of him, but they aren't necessarly democrats.

[Arctic Dave]

Did I say that? I asked easy question. So piss off my friend.

[MadBadger]

23. Public Policy Polling.

Based out of NC. They were one of the most accurate pollsters in the 2008 election.

[Arctic Dave]

28. Thank you.

[MineralMan]

61. 'Twas in the link. It was. Really.

It's literally amazing what you can learn by clicking the link.

[Arctic Dave]

70. I'm a phone and it wasn't wanting to open

[MineralMan]

72. You're a phone?

Touch tone or rotary?

[Arctic Dave]

86. Yes, I am a phone ........I .....am .......the ............matrix .......

[azmouse]

7. Oh noes! Content with Obama?

What are we to do?

[emulatorloo]

9. Basically Obama is losing the SOUTH. They aren't his base anyway

He has to do something about the seniors. Apparently they are falling for the disinformation campaign.

[Bluebear]

12. Was this before the news came out that Obama was creating a sweeping immunity doctrine for torturers

I think I will stick with the ACLU on this, not the "PPP".

[NJmaverick]

22. So you prefer a civil rights group to the facts provided by a poll

what an odd statement:shrug:

[Fumesucker]

25. Some of us have been standing up for civil rights for a very long time..

And it's a constant battle from which one can never rest.

[NJmaverick]

29. I would be one of those people and I fight for everyone's rights

but that doesn't mean I form opinion in absence of fact. I am betting most people who have commented on the amicus have bothered to read it. I have read it and I am having a hard time finding anything in it that is unreasonable or contrary to civil rights and liberties. Here, check it out:

http://harpers.org/media/image/blogs/misc/doj_amicus.pdf

[Fumesucker]

48. Eh, I trust the ACLU more than my own judgment when it comes to law..

IANAL so I really can't speak to the specifics, that's why I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU, they have a track record of standing up even for the unpopular and against the popular.

My personal opinion is that there are a great many people on DU who think that it is fine that Obama's Justice Department is taking the position they are who would be outraged if it was GW Bush's JD that was doing exactly the same thing.

Me, I'm sticking with the ACLU.

[NJmaverick]

52. I prefer to think for myself. Get the facts and then form my own opinions

while I admire what the ACLU does (even been a member) I am not comfortable with giving them my blind faith.

[Fumesucker]

55. Let's just say I trust the ACLU more than I do the government..

Particularly when it comes to civil rights.

[MineralMan]

62. Indeed. I'd be among that group, having marched in Selma in

1965. I'm also an Obama supporter. You were saying?

[Fumesucker]

108. I was saying I trust the ACLU to look out for civil rights more than I trust the government..

After Obama did a 180 on FISA and telecom immunity I have very little trust for him on civil rights..

As for me, I was too busy partying in the mud at Woodstock to make Selma..

[madfloridian]

37. Do you have the demographics for that poll?

They don't have anything about it at the link.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/12/little-evidence-of-democratic-unrest.html

[NJmaverick]

46. I have a link to the details of the poll here:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_1209.pdf

[madfloridian]

50. Interviewed 1,253....but I was wondering who.

The reason I wonder about demographics....a couple of 2002 polls were showing that the huge percentages approved of the Iraq invasion. Turns out they were mostly surveying people in military base towns.

[MineralMan]

63. If you're wondering:

If you would like an interview regarding this release, please contact Dean Debnam at
[phone] or 919-880-4888.

You could call and ask. Truly. Wonder no more.

[madfloridian]

66. The link said only concerned media.

I am not that.

[MineralMan]

69. Are you not? Is this not a media outlet. Are you not a

frequent poster? What will it cost you to call?

Or, are you unsure of what you will discover?

I'm just saying that they give a number for just such questions. So call. If they don't tell you, then report back that they wouldn't tell you. If you don't call, you have nothing to report, right?

In the end, I do not care what you do. It's irrelevant to me.

[madfloridian]

76. It's all becoming irrelevant to me quickly.

Today when I heard about the annual limit on health care, I threw up my arms and said why bother.

[MineralMan]

97. Bye, then. The rest of will will continue discussing things.

If you don't mind, that is. Nothing is settled. There is no final bill. Perhaps we can move things along. Perhaps it will die and we can start up again in January. You go right ahead and throw up your arms. We'll just go right along pushing for something workable and useful.

[Bluebear]

13. duplicato

.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Apparently the author (blackwaterdog) is not a member of this site.

But, then again, this site is not representative of the voting block.

[ixion]

16. who knew that "liberal democrats" were Wall St. loving war hawks?

that's kind of surprising, really.

[WI_DEM]

19. If Obama is so pro-Wall Street why did he support this?

http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20091211/7e150dcd-3ba8-4b89-bda8-70bee5f19016

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed the most ambitious restructuring of federal financial regulations since the New Deal on Friday, aiming to head off any replay of last year's Wall Street failures that plunged the nation deep into recession.

The sprawling legislation would give the government new powers to break up companies that threaten the economy, create a new agency to oversee consumer banking transactions and shine a light into shadow financial markets that have escaped the oversight of regulators.

The vote was a party-line 223-202. No Republicans voted for the bill; 27 Democrats voted against it.

While a victory for the administration, the legislation dilutes some of President Barack Obama's recommendations, carving out exceptions to some of its toughest provision. The burden now shifts to the Senate, which is not expected to act on its version of a regulatory overhaul until early next year.


(Let's face it most of you who carp about Obama on DU are not democrats and are not the base of the party).

[jgraz]

53. Name one specific provision in that bill and explain how it will help ordinary Americans

My bet is you haven't read a single word of what the House passed.

[Junkdrawer]

24. You are getting very sleepy...very sleepy...

When I snap my fingers you will wake up refreshed and loving Obama...

1--2--3 SNAP....

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. Heh

:evilgrin:

[Odin2005]

26. And yet those 3% think they are the base.

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

38. I don't even think this place should be called Democratic Underground...

Because besides Kucinich and a handful few others,
this place as a whole, doesn't really support Democrats.
In fact, this place spend most of his time trashing Democrats
than Republicans.

Skinner should be thinking of giving this site another name,
cause DU is a misnomer.

[Odin2005]

40. Yup.

I am on the Liberal end of the party, but respected the opinions of moderate posters like WyldWolf. Now most of them are gone and now the Purists have started attacking us Liberal Dems that aren't "pure" enough. They are like the Teabaggers that think W was a Liberal.

[madfloridian]

41. Define "purists" as opposed to "liberals"

This thread has my head spinning as to what I am.

Supposed liberal, real liberal, purist?

[Odin2005]

42. Purist: People that think eveyone to the right of DK is Fascist-Corporatist Scum.

[seeinfweggos]

68. how about DenisUberalles (DU)?

[MineralMan]

73. I think you're wrong. While the 3%ers are very

active, I do not believe they make up anything like the majority of this site. In fact, I think they may be about 15% of those who come here. And that's all. They're just so adamant about their beliefs that many posters avoid posting so they won't be attacked by that group.

Others don't seem to mind and post what they believe, even when it annoys the minority.

[MineralMan]

65. I did a poll here today about who the "base" was.

The most votes went to "People who always voted for Democratic candidates."

Progressives got way fewer votes. The 3% are not, and cannot be the base of the Democratic party. They are a tiny minority, when they are even Democrats in the first place.

[seeinfweggos]

82. 3 percent is less than the margin of error for most polls

so the number could conceivably be less than zero

which is represented by

<0

which is what happens when something gets a bunch of evil unrecs.

it's starting to all make sense now

[lovuian]

32. If he doesn't watch out he will go lower than Bush

I hope he wakes up

[dionysus]

135. that may be your wish, but it won't happen.

[madfloridian]

36. This is all of the poll I see at PPP

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/12/little-evidence-of-democratic-unrest.html

There are no details given, just a summary.

One of your links is to a DKos poll, the other is to a diary referring to the PPP poll which is two people.

I would like to see more statistics.

[Bluebear]

43. Don't ask. Remember, the "PPP poll" is more important than the ACLU

as we learned upthread.

{"A" civil rights group LMAO!)

[NJmaverick]

47. Interesting FACT, when DU was asked to explain the flaws in the Amicus you talk about

not a single one could offer up an answer. Guess it's easier to let others do your thinking (like the ACLU for example).

[Bluebear]

80. Hmm, anonymous net poster NJMaverick or ACLU. I'll go with the ACLU

[NJmaverick]

127. Based on the opinions you have expressed, I could have told you you would screw up this choice

(since you have seen to screwed up every other one you have made)

[jsamuel]

44. what people have been saying is that DEMOCRATS are losing their base

not necessarily Obama himself

Why is it that some people think all praise and criticism about any issue is about Obama?

[Capn Sunshine]

49. well for one thing, despite pretensions to the contrary

DU is NOT representative of anything except DU.

Most people IRL have not heard of DU, and in politics, maybe one in ten has.

So this polling is no surprise.

[madfloridian]

51. The poll is speaking of Obama himself.

I think Obama will fare well, but the poll does not cover other Democrats who are putting his policies into place.

I do think there will be problems in 2010.

[MineralMan]

75. Bingo. DU is not a representative site for those who vote

for Democratic candidates. Not by a very, very long shot. And that's just counting the active posters. Who knows what those who just read are thinking. They're afraid to post, for fear of being attacked.

[madfloridian]

77. We have been told that so often, that we are not representative....

that we really do not need to vote.

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

79. Well, if your decision is to vote for some third party candidate,

please go ahead. It will probably make no difference. We did learn something from the 2000 Presidential election, after all. Florida will not happen again. Imagine what, say, 50,000 votes would have done. It would have been impossible to steal the election, and Al Gore would have been President. What a different world we might be seeing today.

So, do as you wish. I will fight you to the end.

[madfloridian]

88. Before you condemn me, read more of things I have written.

However, it really does not matter to me. Words don't mean a thing now about politics....only actions matter.

[MineralMan]

102. I read your posts daily. I'm here a lot.

I don't see any actions. Describe your actions to me, please. So far, I just see complaining and recriminations. I have no time for those.

[madfloridian]

123. You have to read more then.

Hubby and I were excited and working hard on the ground and nationally for Democrats from early 2003 until this year.

You are really demanding a lot of people here, ordering them to conform to your view and produce the info you want.

[Capn Sunshine]

83. Come ON

You of all people should know this is true. You actually live in the real world, and I love you for it.

[madfloridian]

87. I should know what is true, Capn?

That we worked out butts off to allow congress to screw us even with a majority?

I am not concerned about Obama, he will rise above it all.

We will lose the majority in 2010 if the congress keeps pandering to the right.

We have saved so very much money since we quit donating, it is like our credit cards are hardly being used.

I guess you remember my passion in 2003....I don't have that now. I am sure there are others.

Obama's oratorical skills will serve him well.

Congress not so much.

[tabasco]

58. Obama is doing a great job reversing the train wreck that was the corrupt Bush cabal

Many expect utopia overnight.

I think they are probably happier when the pukes are utterly destroying the country.

[seeinfweggos]

64. the world's most exclusive and insignificant club

3 percenters

[madfloridian]

67. Yes, we the insignificant

[seeinfweggos]

84. statistically speaking, it would seem so

wouldn't it?

[madfloridian]

92. It's a good thing. It's nice not having to work so hard as an activist...

and even nicer not having to donate.

:)

[MineralMan]

93. Yup. So, maybe it's time to rethink?

Maybe it's time to work together with others to move things along in the right direction, instead of obstructing by insisting on what cannot be done at the moment. Or maybe not. It's up to you.

[madfloridian]

95. No, it was up to us to get the majority. NOW it is up to them.

[MineralMan]

104. Do as you please. Please!

[seeinfweggos]

96. remember the green party was a full partner of the gop in 2000

even took money from repukes. eight years of bush and they learned nothing. or just don't give a shit. probably the latter

[MineralMan]

103. Yup. And now we have a bunch of DUers rambling on about the

next third party. We won't be fooled again. We got royally burned the last time. Let 'em go and take their 3% with them, I say. Good riddance. They're only dragging things down now, anyhow.

[seeinfweggos]

105. we never had them, fuck'em

they are already laying the groundwork for a kucinich ego stroke in '12.

[MineralMan]

106. Hmm...maybe Kucinich will win a primary this time.

You think?

I like Kucinich. He makes a very good Senator.

[seeinfweggos]

107. i say primary the fucker in 2010.

[FLAprogressive]

71. the "base" is still sold on the idea of Obama....they know little about the Prez's actual policies.

[MineralMan]

74. Or, they do, and others are arrogant enough to suppose that

the real base of the party is made up of ignorant rubes. Sorry, but that's not the case. Some may not be willing to face the ugly responses to support for President Obama. Others of us are quite willing.

Your riposte?

[FLAprogressive]

78. the base supports Afghan occpuation, wall street, wiretaps, Bush attorneys.....etc?

[MineralMan]

101. I don't know, actually. I tend to take issues one at a time.

And then, I look at them in terms of what is possible and what is not. Sometimes it's an issue of timing, with other things taking the forefront for a time. Here's the deal. I've learned not to expect that everything I want will happen at the time I want it to happen. I wanted it to be possible for a black man to be elected to the Presidency in 1964 when I was in Selma. I was disappointed that it didn't happen.

I wanted the Vietnam war to be over in 1965. It wasn't. I wanted Al Gore to be President in 2000.

I want a lot of things. My preference would be for them to happen as soon as I want them to. That is rarely the case. So, I keep wanting them. Eventually, if we all want them, they happen, at least to some degree.

This is not a dictatorship. No President can say, "Let it be so," and have it be so. Right now we have some real morons in the Senate who call themselves Democrats. We need to be rid of them. How will we do that, do you suppose. Until we do, it cannot "be so." So, 2010 is coming. 2012 is coming. Recriminations over what we cannot change are worthless. Working for the next round is not worthless.

You may do as you please. I will do as I think best. We will see who succeeds.

Negativity does not succeed very often. I suggest a change in attitude if you truly want to implement the things you say you want. Otherwise, please stand out of the way while others work to make the changes needed. If you obstruct, even with the best of intentions, you obstruct.

[GreenArrow]

109. According to this poll,

and the bulk of responses in this thread, it does, which ought to speak volumes about the role of the left in this country, which is basically to say "you guys are fucking things up", be reviled for it; then to come back later to say "we told you that was getting fucked up", and then get reviled for that.

[Jakes Progress]

85. Funny numbers.

I tried the links but it gave no numbers. From the links I found, you would just have to take the pollster's words for their interpretation of whatever questions they asked an of whom they asked them.

How did they identify "liberals"? I can spin numbers too. No body called me. But I'm a little more interested in policy and performance. But if numbers make you happy, go ahead and play with them.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

90. Yes, the definition of "liberal" is important

Some people think anyone to the right of Rush Limbaugh is a liberal.

Back during my college teaching days, I found a book in the library that listed Jeane Kirkpatrick and Max Kampelman as "card-carrying Communists." The author was a member of the John Birch Society.

[seeinfweggos]

100. it's simple

the polls usually begin with screening questions so liberals are people who call themselves liberals - period.

[Jakes Progress]

148. Simple-minded.

That kind of "screening question" would make the poll immediately invalid. There is no check or double to verify the position. There are those who call themselves Christian but are bigots. There are those who call themselves patriots but favor positions that negate the Bill of Rights. Without a definition of terms, the concept is bogus. Besides liberal, the poll doesn't identify whether the person being polled voted for Obama. It doesn't specify how it determined who they would call his "base".

It makes a flashy headline, but it is shit as a barometer.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

99. Well, that should calm down the moderates here who see the Left as a threat.

[Number23]

110. rofl Hell, I'm not just kicking and rec'ing this. I'm bookmarking this joint too

You just took the wind out of a bunch of people's sails, my friend. :rofl: Thanks for posting.

[Bluebear]

111. Yes, the "PPP" poll with no numbers attached to it. We're ALL laughing on the floor with you.

[Number23]

114. Lol!!!!

[Number23]

112. Gallup reports something a bit diferent. States Obama's support amongst Democrats has only dropped

amongst white Democrats. His approval rating among black, Asian, Native American and Hispanic Dems has remained fairly consistent.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124484/Obama-Approval-Slide-Finds-Whites-Down-39.aspx

Money Quote: And though he maintains widespread loyalty among Democrats, the small loss in support he has seen from his fellow partisans seems to be exclusively from white Democrats. It is important to note that this pattern is not unique to Obama. For example, Bill Clinton averaged 55% job approval during his presidency, including 52% among whites but a much higher 76% among nonwhites and 82% among blacks.

Interesting, eh? :)

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[Prism]

137. Heyyy

Someone needs some mistletoe, IMO.

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[Number23]

141. All I basically said was "mistletoe is a good thing" but whoever is alerting like mad

decided to alert on that one too. Whatever. I've said my peace and feel pretty damn good about it too.

[Prism]

142. I think . . .

They're just killing the subthread generally.

[Lyric]

138. Now wait just a damned minute.

If you don't want to read Bluebear's responses, then USE IGNORE. There's no reason for this kind of hateful personal-attack crap. WTF?

[Number23]

140. Excuse me? Why the hell should I put someone on Ignore and THEY came after ME?

What the hell is the point of you jumping into this??"

[Lyric]

144. Because I have eyes?

And I can read? I'm sorry, do *I* need your royal permission to post too???

If you think every post Bluebear makes is stupid/pointless/idiotic/what-the-hell-ever, then use the Ignore function. That's what it's for.

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[dionysus]

130. the tantrum brigade here can't comprehend that they aren't the majority.

[NJmaverick]

133. There is the problem with all the mysterious unrecs (that dont' match the number of posters)

something isn't kosher. Perhaps a serious epidemic of sock puppets, are pushing the rec/unrec thing

[williesgirl]

143. Me thinks Repukes are saying their Dems on these surveys cause they like the real Obama now

that he's shown he leans more right than left. That makes one of us - I sure don't.

[FrenchieCat]

147. Yeah....right before the go out to protest him with signs with his pics

of him in a Hitler mustache.


Yep, they just love them some Obama! :sarcasm:

[rollin74]

150. K & R