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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:08 PM Original message |
WWII never destroyed Nazism. You cannot bomb a belief |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. But you can remove their home base and remove their enablers (nt) |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And they will find a new home base |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. So we should not have fought Germany? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Germany was a country. We *could* fight them. The problem is trying to fight a BELIEF with an army |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. EXACTLY!! Excellent save on the trap that was laid out before you. |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. You seem to be implying that Islamic extremist groups somehow don't have a structure we can destroy |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. No, they don't have a structure you can destroy by militaristically occupying Afghanistan |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. There being differences does not mean such structure is non-existent |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Al Qaeda's enablers are in Saudi Arabia. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Where exactly is their "home base" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
52. Bingo. The effort should be spent using technology and people |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. I don't think anyone is arguing that we ought to go to war anywhere Islamic extremism pops up |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Their home base is Kennebunkport Maine |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nazism left Germany and moved to the American Republican party. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yep, especially that part of the GOP that is House of Bush |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. It's not just ideology. They put NAZI into practice, big time. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I hear ya, right down to their South American hide-away! |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Ah, but those Drones sure are effective |
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seeinfweggos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. it certainly set them back a bit |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
10. How many more Jews, gays and gypsies and the intellectuals have been killed by them since the war |
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seeinfweggos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. warmonger |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Before the war was won, Nazism had a country, army, economy |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I fail to see what you want me to see. What I see is that the war effectively ended the horrible |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. "Remember the Nazi party started as..." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. You actually know the history of the Base? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. "Sit down and do nothing?" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. This conventional war is not about AQ |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Yes, just the excuse |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
39. if you think its a criminal matter, how do you propose to address it? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. It is military, but not always a war. |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
62. Uhm, actually... |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. Al-Qaeda doesn't have funds rolling in? A fighting force? Territory it operates in freely? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. Let me see from family history |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. "Post War Period... Zero" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You should read a history of the rise of the Nazis |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Oh how you totally miss it.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And you missed what the President of the US was talking about |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. "And evil exists in the world." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:00 AM Original message |
Nobody said you can destroy evil |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
42. Going to Kosovo as a college kid reading about European history |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. I came THIS CLOSE to volunteeering to go there... |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
66. You know, it's not the idea I'm worried about, it's the guys wearing the suicide vests. |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
63. Same was true of the Italian Fascists |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
26. K&R |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
27. As someone born there and who lived there..yes it did..it blew the crap out of it. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Ok. Sorry. I guess we don't have to worry about anti-semitic movements anymore |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Those are NEO Nazis.. assuming they are Nazis.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. When are we going to start bombing shit to get rid of em? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Clearly it WAS destroyed.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Im pretty sure a country & army was destroyed |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. Do you sincerely believe Neo-Nazis to be a threat equal to that posed by either |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. No, I think that they are more organizationally similar though to Al Queda than Nazi Germany |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Organizationally, I'd say you're correct |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
67. Again, why do you have this belief that an organization must control an entire country before it can |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
33. it destroyed a nazi regime in arguably the era's most powerful military |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Of course it did, as I already said. But it did not destroy the ideas. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Not really, japan played on ideas of religion |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Hang on a minute...Japan is a country right? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Yep. And you can kill a guy |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I agree with that |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. Yes, you can. However, you can also bomb non-governmental entitites. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. But they probably aren't located in the same geographical region... |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. All the eggs are not in one basket, sure, however... |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. Who's been comparing them with such regularlity that you felt the need to post this, anyway? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Maybe you missed the shake-up |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Ah, yes, I missed the speech |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
35. Well, the Enlightenment and the industrial revolution didn't destroy belief in witchcraft, trolls, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. WWII did not destroy fascism whatsoever |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Fascism has rarely been clearly defined |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Read "What is Fascism" |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Mussolini? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Alfredo Rocco and Mario Palmieri put together theoretical frameworks for fascism |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
37. I suspect those who were alive to leave concentration camps were not complaining |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
38. See post war pacifist japan.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Oh, you mean a bombable country/army/land/economy |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. See gerald bull, if word got out |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
41. fighting Al Queda with bullets and bombs is only making them stronger |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Killing meatpuppets on the ground is pointless. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. You'll get no argument from me |
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YouTakeTheSkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. How do you figure? |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. you must have missed the first part I said |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
47. WWII made Nazism irrelevant |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Yes, it stripped it of a specific centralized country, economy, army, infrastructure |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
57. Correct |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
60. Didn't the Nazis just transfer to our CIA? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
78. kick |
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