Thoughts about and around Lieberman

[Stinky The Clown]

About: Self-agrandizing, self-absorbed, self-partied pile of fresh dog shit.

Around: He would be FAR less influential in this whole health care thing if we had started the debater with single payer, kill-the-insurance-companies, "socialized" medicine. Instead, we got led to the middle and the order to begin the debate was given. Lieberman is simply doing what he wants to do and the Dems, top to bottom, are cowering in the face of it.

I don't blame Holy Joe nearly as much as I blame our own side for enabling.

[Larkspur]

1. Lieberman is setting himself up to retire in 2012 and consult with the corporations who donated

to his campaigns, including the health insurance companies.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I wonder if he'll telecommute or if they'll send a car to Stamford every day to take him to Hartford

[hlthe2b]

3. You blame our side for making excuses for "Holy Joe" and then

you go on to make excuses for "Holy Joe." Alrightee.....

However, I do agree with you that DEM leadership has been lacking, all strategy has been missing and that we surely should have started with single payer as the starting point. But, I'll not make excuses for a lying piece of dog excrement, like Joe Lieberman.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. I made no excuses for him

I said, however, that our side is more to blame for allowing him to do what he's doing.

When you walk barefoot through snake country, who is at fault when you get bitten?

[TheWraith]

5. No, that would not have made him "less influential."

No matter where the debate started it wasn't going to change the simple numbers in the Senate. Period.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. I may very well have changed the nature and focus of the discussion

If we started out asking for "Socialized Medicine", that may well have been the "debate" and the "compromise" would have been less distasteful.

But we got NO leadership on that one ...... so Holy Joe could start off being radical and not look so out of line. He would have looked like a far right loon if the debate actually started on the far left ..... where it strategically should have.

[Beetwasher]

8. He STILL Would Have Been An Obstacle No Matter Where We Started

He doesn't care. He has no shame. He is on a personal, vindictive vendetta. There is no leverage over someone like that unless you are willing to go all Cheney on him.

[Beetwasher]

7. I Would Not Have Mattered Where We Started, Joe Would Have Fucked It All Up Anyway

It would not have made a difference.

And if we kicked him to the curb in 2006, he STILL would have been re-elected by Republicans and he STILL would have been behaving exactly the same way.

No one to blame for the scumbags behavior but himself. No matter what the Dems did it would not have made a difference.

[HughMoran]

9. The "we would have been better off" armchair quarterbacking is complete horseshit

It's as if killing reform from the git-go would have achieved a better result.

Who thinks any of the 5 or so Duplicitous Democrats would have gone along with Single Payer?

I don't.

[Beetwasher]

10. Exactly, Starting From A More Liberal Positon Would Have Changed NOTHING

Lieberman always planned to be an obstacle and would have done so not matter what. He gets his sick jollies from it and there is not much leverage on a person like that unless you're willing to go all Cheney on him.

[DefenseLawyer]

11. You assume that "our side" actually wanted to do something.

I'm not able to make that assumption with any level of confidence.

[LastNaturalist]

12. I agree, and I was one who gave him a pass after Obama won and he campaign for the old dude.

Because I figured we had to get to the business of governing and legislating. But this cretin... boot him out of the caucus. I mean, what in the hell good is having 60 Democrats if they can't agree on what should be one of the most basic tenets of our party: affordable health care for people who can't afford it?!?! BOOT. HIS. ASS.