Shallow Critiques Against Obama?!

[lyonspotter]

Shallow Critiques? How about the sheer opposition to perpetuating illegal war, invading sovereign nations, and then going back on pledges to remove troops from Iraq? Etc... ...Of course escalation of war will not sit right with a pacifist.

And before anyone questions my motives, per se, watch these videos I made against Bush, pasted below. What motivates my criticisms of Obama is a spirit of consistency. Besides, who is anyone to question the motives of another person, as if you can see into the thoughts and feelings of another human being? You will know them by their fruits. Behavior is greater than "just words."

Re Jeremiah Wright: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Ms9R2zdS0

Re George W Bush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xufsr2log

Re McCain/Bush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDT99NgiNyM

If one is a true pacifist, then that person is regardless of who is in the White House.

[Goldstein1984]

1. Holding someone to their word

is a form of support.

I gave Obama my vote, not unconditional approval.

He's off course in my opinion. I'm going to say so. It isn't about love or hate, it's democracy.

Just ignore the insults.

[lyonspotter]

6. His ideas are definitely...

...off course as currently stated. I think a lot of DUers are afraid to admit publicly that they really didn't sign up for this. They have a hard time arguing against the party they so love and hold dear. But it is time to ask ourselves what principles do we hold, and are those greater than party? Shouldn't party follow principles, and not the other way around?

Thank you for your comment and encouraging presentation of it.

[Goldstein1984]

7. Principles first

Declaration of Independence...

U.S. Constitution...

Philosophy (World view, religion, etc)

Principles should be the foundation. I think the trouble we're having now with torture, illegal wars, loss of freedom are due to abandoning principles.

It is my humble opinion that blind party loyalty is as problematic and blind patriotism and nationalism.

Just my thoughts.

[lyonspotter]

8. Thoughts I definitely agree with.

The amount of unrecs this thread has gone through is an indication that several out there don't agree with us. Unfortunate. It indicates a sort of blind partisanship, because like I said, deep down I imagine most would have to agree that we didn't sign up for this. The claims on the campaign trail have been abandoned, while the offenses of the Bush administration have been protected and perpetuated. How is that, "Change We Can Believe In"?

[Goldstein1984]

24. I seem to be writing this opinion quite often, but...

Unrecs can be viewed as badges of honor.

Like being condemned as an unprincipled socialist by a Republican.

[lyonspotter]

25. Ha...nice way of looking at it.

My favorite is when those on the right resort to calling you a libtard because they've run out of responses.

[Goldstein1984]

26. I'm new here, and still learning, but

it seems like unrecs have one of two purposes:

1) Registering approval/disapproval, or

2) Suppressing ideas by driving them as far down on the "Greatest" page as possible.

I think I read about something similar in "Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes."

Or was it "Fahrenheit 451"?

[lyonspotter]

27. Exactly, we could always just resort to burning books...

[timeforpeace]

9. Our party gets back to power every few years by preaching principles, then loses that power by

abandoning them quickly.

[lyonspotter]

11. Then we get stuck with a Bush.

It is unfathomable how Obama could turn his back so quickly on his campaign promises. It is as if the entire thing was intentional theatre.

[emulatorloo]

2. Obama campaigned on escalating Afghanistan

Not saying it is a good idea, just saying it wasn't a surprise to me.

[lyonspotter]

3. But this was on the campaign trail also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk

"Obama Promise To End The War, 2007 - 'You Can Take That To The Bank'"

[roughsatori]

4. Obama and the Democratic Party had put me in an untenable situation.

So, I had to renounce my support of both. Totally disgusted. Lyonspotter, both wars are wrong and bankrupting the country (as well as giving our tax dollars to bankers). And the LIE that this administration is propagating: that there has been no inflation under Obama, is laughable.

[lyonspotter]

5. roughsatori, thank you so much for your comment.

I wish that poeople would heed the words of Dennis Kucinich on these wars. He has been a fantastic voice loudly outspoken against the immorality and irresponsibility of these wars. Also, I know he is detested by many here at DU, but I have greatly admired Ron Paul for arguing so loudly against his own party that these wars are an affront to morality and are the catalyst for our own destruction and demise as a strong moral and financial leader of the world.

You are so right about the lies! Again, many thanks...

[timtom]

12. How weird that you would say that.

About two months ago, I changed my political affiliation on Facebook to "Disgusted".

[lyonspotter]

13. lol!

Wow...I guess it is bad when laughter is the response to a comment as serious as yours.

And in all seriousness, we should all be disgusted.

[timtom]

19. I'm of the opinion that

laughter and seriousness don't necessarily cancel each other out.

[lyonspotter]

20. Touché, good sir!

Thank you for the comment and your presence on this thread.

And on that note...I was being forgetful that Wittgenstein once opined that a great philosophical book could be written composed solely of jokes.

[yurbud]

10. don't spend too much time worrying about the insult monkeys here

they got to earn their dime a post for barb that gets under your skin.

[KrR]

14. "going back on pledges to remove troops from Iraq"

Care to elaborate or its just a lie?

[lyonspotter]

15. From the campaign trail...

...watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk

[KrR]

16. Just as i thought... no broken promise n/t

[lyonspotter]

18. Are we talking past each other here?...

The video clearly depicts Obama on the campaign trail making a promise he would later betray (he even uses that very phrase: "I promise").

He says: "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank."

Given that the war in Iraq is still going on and all the troops have not been brought home... Please, humor me, and explain how he has not broken his promise.

[KrR]

21. Yes, they are coming home n/t

[timtom]

22. Yes, they are...

in pieces.

[lyonspotter]

23. And certainly...

...nowhere near with the expedited pace Obama promised. "If the war isn't over before I take office, I will end it" is what he promised. The boys/girls are still over there, risking their lives, some of them on perpetual tour duty...and suicide rates are at the highest ever.

Bring them home!

[SIMPLYB1980]

17. LOL!