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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:56 PM Original message |
I wonder if I still belong |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. You're the only one who can decide where and with whom you belong |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. You belong to the progressive movement. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. See I don't believe they don't give a shit. I have seen what happens to politians that take stands |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I'm still inclined to say |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Nothing Obama is doing.. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. "nothing" the stimulus his jobs bill he is working on now? Nothing? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
89. you can't convince the jaded, no matter how hard you try. it's pointless... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. you're one fricking person with one fricking set of opinions |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I feel like I don't belong. It's more than DU. It's Huffington, and to a lesser degree Daily Kos |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. that's the challenge |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. "I consider the GLBT movement the last civil rights movement" |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That is possible and I considered that when I wrote it |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
62. Undocumented immigrants are invisible to the Constitution. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
111. "There will always be a civil rights struggle for someone." ABSOLUTELY. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R to attempt to undo the rude UnReKKKs, but there're apparently more than one n/t |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. for the most part the dems are NOT progressive/liberal, especially our elected reps nt |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Hasn't almost every liberal accomplishment in this nation (there are many) |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's probably everyone jealous of your intellectual honesty |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I guess you are trying to hijack the thread and make it about ID or IH |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. No, I'm not trying to "hijack the thread" |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. While you deny it, you just want to talk about a totally different topic |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
106. You don't know what I'm talking about? |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. No you don't |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. K & R...but it didnt move the number....:( |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
16. I used to call myself a liberal for years, but after reading |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. "Health Care is not a Pony." nt. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. Considering that 7 President have failed to make it happen |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
110. Really? |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. Pragmatism can work only when dealing with an equally-pragmatic opponent. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Pragmatism is the ultimately adaptable position |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
84. As it has in this case? No, just no. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's hard to admit when a party you are invested in lets you down |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I know what Washington was an is like. I really wasn't expecting miracles |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. I guess what I was trying to say was: |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
77. I wish you happy holidays as well. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. You belong, but there's a lot of anger about how the dems are so weak on |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
20. k & r'd |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
24. Oh good grief, stop it with the whole pitiful Pauline routine |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I guess you are part of the liberal purity police and you are giving me the message |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
69. Whoomp, there it is |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Maybe I misunderstood your first post. To me you sounded like you were telling me how to think |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. You can do things whatever way you want, |
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rusty fender (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Exactly! |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. Great post, even when this one was 'nomad1776' |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
25. This sounds like your biggest problem "I am a loyal person by nature." You have no obligation |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. I feel I do. I vote you in office against the Republicans I will stand by you |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. You will stand by someone who works against your best interests? That is enabling. I'm so sorry |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Is there a difference between not fully working for |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
95. To me there is no difference if the result is the same (which it is meant to be in our "two party" |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
27. You say you are loyal: are you more loyal to your beliefs or a political party? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I am loyal to my principles and beliefs first. Then I am loyal to my friends,, family, organization |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. NJ, we all understand compromise. An CAVING. And not doing anything to keep |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. To be perfectly honest and frank, I don't think many of you do fully understand |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. NJmav, Dems will NEVER have more power than they had at the beginning of this year. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I would disagree. The mandate was a change from the GOP and Bush |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
28. Being A Realist Sucks... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Thanks for this very thoughtful post |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
97. totally agree nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
36. Sounds like ya sticking with the DLC - cool for you |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Do you or any of your friends and relatives work for these evil entities? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Yes my friend... I do many evil things |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. corporations AREN'T evil...the people that run them are. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Lot of evil in the world huh? Say do you or your family work for evil? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. no to both questions. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Has your wife sent any resumes to any of those evil corporations? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. nope. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
41. I think you need to recognize the contradictions that separate the first part |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I don't see the positions as incompatible. Yet there are many that do |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. But in many ways they are. The corporate system you embrace is the very same thing |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Much of what you describe can be resolved with campaign finance reform |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Social democracy is the way to go, but DLC opposes that at every step. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. You know Social Democracy may very well be the way to go |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. It's more likely to be possible if we reject pandering to conservative dogma. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You know I think you mis characterize the role the DLC plays in the party |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #86 |
93. I view them as a kind of Fifth Column |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. "Yet there are many that do" -only the rational ones. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
63. You'll forgive me that I have my doubts about those that compare my position with Nazis are the |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. the problem is... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Why not join the DLC and get to know them and their "principles" more intimately? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. I would expect like anyone else they have their pluses and minuses |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
50. if this were germany in the 30's, it sounds like you'd make a good national socialist party member. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Have you ever heard of Godwin's law? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. well- when the jackboots fit... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I'll take that as a no |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #59 |
80. of course you would...you've been wrong about everything else... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Well if you understand Godwin's law you would see that you managed to defeat yourself and your |
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jtylerpittman (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
100. you are going way to far |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. That is quite the nasty comment. Sort of makes me wonder if compassion and kindness |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
66. I think the Blue Dogs can go to hell, but the defeatist BS is nauseating. |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
72. You sound like someone who I'd be proud to stand alongside with, NJMaverick. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Thank you, I would be happy to stand by you as well! |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
75. Seems you actually understand |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Do you think that one can be successful in politics if one is unwilling to |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Heck no |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
78. Don't let 'em get you down. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
81. K & R |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
82. you are having a lot of conversations with ignored, i see. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
87. I am standing with you Maverick... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
88. question. have you seen the level of outrage you find here among any of the dems you encounter in |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I have seen that level of anger and outrage, but only from the right or republicans |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. Yes -- either outrage or fatalistic cynicism |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
107. I see a great deal more apathy in the "real world" than on any political forum |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
96. You're not alone. I am where you are. nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
98. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone,.......... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
99. Dude, you're going to be savaged. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Compromise and pragmatism are not dirty swords but.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
101. . |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
102. You don't want to bring the democratic party down in support of a third party liberal... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
103. Good post although I don't agree with your distinctions |
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