The teabaggers are right. Dems are about to destroy this country

[edhopper]

The Health Care Bill that is emerging, with no Public provision and mandates forcing people into overpriced private plans with NO curbs on Insurance Companies will bankrupt it's citizens. It is worse than no Bill. A strong public option or better, a Single Payer Plan, would have been a great step forward for our country. The Lieberman bill, which we are left with, will be a disaster.

[mdmc]

1. first, we make peace with the teabaggers

then we rule the world..

[maryinthemorn]

11. GO Bipartisanship

:eyes:

[oldcpu70]

13. Health Plan for Those That Can't Afford Med Insurance

Whatever happened to the plan to insure those people who can't afford med insurance? You are correct: the current health plan in Congress sucks and does nothing but make the insurance companies happy.
No we don't have anyone in the the Congress who gives a damn about us!

[jgraz]

21. No way... the teabaggers are credulous morons who believe anything their leaders tell them

Oh wait...

:banghead:

[AndrewP]

22. LOL

[mdmc]

30. hehe

:)

[babylonsister]

2. Gimme a break. If idiot son didn't do it, I hardly think Dems will. nt

[edhopper]

4. True.

The wealthy will still have a great country to live in. the rest of us.....

[Tailormyst]

5. I think he certainly made a big old crack in the foundation !

At this point I am beginning to think there is no one in DC that is on the side of the people. I just don't know what we can do to change that. I thought we had in the last 2 election cycles, but I fear we got punked :(

[Kahuna]

12. Idiot son came really really really really really really close.

:scared:

[laughingliberal]

31. You forget. It took a Democrat to pass NAFTA and repeal Glass-Steagall

Just as it took Nixon to open China.

[Le Taz Hot]

3. Well, I Recd.

The cheerleaders are up early this morning so we'll see how long it takes them to put it back in the negative.

[stray cat]

6. Maybe you will get lucky and there will be no bill passed

[sandnsea]

7. This was Howard Dean's plan

Everybody does remember that, right? No mandates, but subsidized insurance was still his plan. He didn't even have a national non-profit agency in his plan.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. He had the 55-64 Medicare buy-in in his plan.

You remember, right?

And Medicaid/SCHIP for everyone under 25.

You remember, right?

And it called for rolling back the Bush tax cuts.

You remember, right?

Etc...etc...

All of which are not in this bill.


You can now stop your "This is just like Dean's plan!" meme.

[sandnsea]

33. Health coverage for everyone under 25, check

They can stay on their parent's plan including SCHIP, or get Medicaid if they make less than 150% of poverty. I don't recall any buying into Medicare in Dean's plan, but even if it did, that's not my point. My point is that his plan had no public option at all, the foundation was private insurance with subsidies. I just think it's comical that the same people who praised subsidized private insurance then, are now calling it a give-away to big insurance.

"Under Dean's plan, the existing state-administered children's health insurance program would be extended to every child and young adult under 25. Employees not covered by that program or Medicaid or Medicare could buy into a universal health benefits program which would offer a choice of private insurance plans like federal workers currently get. They would receive tax credits to keep it affordable. Small businesses would get federal subsidies to provide insurance."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june03/dean_05-22.html

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. Your point(Direct quote): "My point is that his plan had no public option..."

My point: Agreed. However, that wasn't the only part of the plan. So stop saying it was.

[liberal N proud]

8. Put the blame where it belongs

Not just Democrats in general but the $enate that includes the Democrats who could stop this shit, but also the Republicans and their little buddy LIEberman.

Remember, the House passed a Health Care bill that included a public option, it is the $enate that is killing it.

[Le Taz Hot]

9. That same Congressional bill also included

the Stupak Amendment which sold out women . . . again.

[NightWatcher]

10. but hey, at least they are getting a bill passed??? they'd hate to be seen as "do nothings"

this is the worst excuse for shoveling this load of shit down our throats

[Kansas Wyatt]

17. I still do not see where is says....

HCR will have to wait another generation. They can come back next year, and Obama could DEMAND Single Payer from Congress and light a fire under Congress to move it ASAP... After the negotiations are all said and done, we at least end up with REAL HCR with a Strong Public Option on his desk to sign before summer.

He said he wanted to change how business is done in Washington, and he can certainly call-out anyone trying to derail a fast track approach, so he should back up his words. After all, look how fast everything was done during times of emergencies.

This alleged HCR SHIT bill needs to go away.

[AndrewP]

24. and I will be playing CenterField for the LA Angels next season

[Kansas Wyatt]

29. The only reason people say it "CAN'T" be done...

Is because people are taking orders from their government representatives and swallow their bullshit. What is wrong with that picture?

Obama said he was going to change how business is done in Washington, and that is the perfect example on how to change it on a very important issue in an election year. If you don't want to be called-out when you are up for re-election, then stop dragging your damn feet and sabotaging it.

If it costs a few them an election victory, the need of the American People was more important than their damn political career of harming the people they claim to serve. The majority of people in this country want REAL reform, not bullshit Corporate America giveaways. And the majority of people would respond favorably to the Democratic Party if they actually passed REAL reform.

He didn't say, 'No we can't.'

He said, 'Yes we can.'

[SIMPLYB1980]

14. LOL!

:rofl:

[NNN0LHI]

15. Who would pay for a Single Payer Plan?

You don't say in your OP?

Don

[lame54]

19. how about the pentagon

[NNN0LHI]

20. I have no problem with that

[edhopper]

25. EVERY country with Single Payer

has health care cost at least half of ours. If you paid $2000 in taxes for SP instead of $4000 for private ins. it would be paid for and your cost would go down.

[laughingliberal]

32. Here you go. All nicely spelled out in here. Easy to understand. Everyone covered.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.676:

SEC. 211. OVERVIEW: FUNDING THE USNHI PROGRAM.

(a) In General- The USNHI Program is to be funded as provided in subsections (b) and (c).
(b) Annual Appropriation for Funding of USNHI Program- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this Act such sums as may be necessary.
(c) Intent- Sums appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) shall be paid for--
(1) by vastly reducing paperwork;
(2) by requiring a rational bulk procurement of medications;
(3) from existing sources of Federal government revenues for health care;
(4) by increasing personal income taxes on the top 5 percent income earners;
(5) by instituting a modest payroll tax; and
(6) by instituting a small tax on stock and bond transactions.

[Locrian]

16. prediction

when (not IF but WHEN) the economy collapses *again* there will be nothing left of the Obama administration.

Not that we wont get another set of puppets. But it will be hard to defend what is being done RIGHT NOW with healthcare, economy, etc, etc.

[edhopper]

26. And

Wall Street will be taken care of.....again.

[guitar man]

23. Not quite

The repigs damn near destroyed it, now it seems that the Dems lack the moral courage to step up and save it.

[BennyD]

27. I'm concerned that the money for health care would be used for

something other than "health care." Just look at social security. It was going to be in a so-called "lock-box." Well, our representatives - Dem's and repubs - wrote IOU's and spent the money elsewhere. Whose to say that the same thing wouldn't happen with the money for health care? Based on the track record of our polititions, I have NO confidence that this money wouldn't be stolen too.

Is there any legislation attached to the health care bill that prevents taking the funding and using it elsewhere?

[edhopper]

28. No

because the current bill has NO PUBLIC INSURANCE in any form. But setting up a separate entity would make sense.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. The teabaggers are "right", but for the entrirely wrong reason

As sickeningly right wing corporatist as this DLC Blueballed Coward Lieberdouche sellout clusterfuck of a bill is, those idiots will still shout "LIBRUL SOSHIALIZED MEDICUN!!11!!1".

I can appreciate what Thom Hartmann and others have said about trying to find common ground with the teabaggers, but it's not going to be possible to reach them when their entire sense of "reality" is that warped.

[Faryn Balyncd]

35. I think the OP agrees with you. Irony is priceless.

[hfojvt]

36. I assume you want to join them then

http://teapartypatriots.org/Default.aspx

[edhopper]

37. Well,

when you ass-u-me....

[BlueIdaho]

39. Well theres one thing I like...

Calling "it" the Lieberman Bill. Lets wrap this monstrosity around that bastard like an anchor chain and hope it drags him to the bottom. I want that greedy grand-stander forever married to this worthless piece of shit legislation.