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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:06 AM Original message |
He's not playing chess. |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. So you believe this bill that we are getting was Obama's actual goal? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I believe one thing, if they wanted a good bill they would use reconciliation. Why won't they? /nt |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. They say they can't get the reforms in reconciliation (pre-existing conditions, etc). |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Funny, what support are they looking for? The insurance companies? /nt |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. They can't use reconciliation until something is passed |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I didn't know that, thanks /nt |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That could very well be true actually! |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Who is going to hail it as a victory? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Sadly, the majority of people in this country are neither the liberal or right-wing base |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. So they will be pleased with this bill even with Conservatives and Liberals lamblasting it? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. They'll surely hate it when they get socked for shitty mandatory underinsurance n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Here's to hoping this will force them to fix the affordability later |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Problem is, the rich men in the senate have no concept of something |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Last night there was a caller to Mike Malloy's show |
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onethatcares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. what is the cost to those that have to pay? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Like hell they will. We are nothing but disposable human garbage to them n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Yes, most of us are to the left of the liberals |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Obama thinks any bill will do. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Obama is looking for a bill, any bill for political gain. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. This is why he's called a messiah and his followers cultists: |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
3. I place blame squarely on the Senate. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Obama set the stage for a clusterfuck, by not laying out the terms and fighting for them. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Its like a parent with a handful fighting screaming kids. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. He should have started at Single Payer (HR676 - a 27 page bill), and negotiated from there. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. True the obstacles came from the Senate. However, there was no shortage of stories from the jump |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. No doubt everyone had a role... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Perhaps but the administration did not intervene to get any of the conservatives on board with PO |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
11. Sadly, even the "people will die" is not supported as 150,000 - 440,000 will NOT die |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Insurance premiums going to get more expensive, not less. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It's required. People will be angry. Separate bills will be passed to make it affordable |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Separate bills will be passed to make it affordable |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. ...and NAFTA will be renegotiated! And your children won't be living in feudalism! and... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Yes...because the Democrats have such a good track record.... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. The vast majority of people without insurance don't have it because they |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Who? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Ezra Klein is the fellow who was on Keith Olbermann last night. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
14. He's playing three card monte, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
15. I think we should all be relieved they won't need our campaign contributions for 2012 |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. He is playing chess. Except his opponent is the American People. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Checkmate. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
21. +10,000!!!..you got it!! eom |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. Why did Obama put Lieberman back in power after the election? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. They are old friends, |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Obama hasn't been around long enough to have "old friends" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. "Why did Obama put Lieberman back in power " |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
40. And this slimy shit has Rahm Emanuel's filthy hand prints all over it.... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
42. If he is, it's a stale mate, not a check mate. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
44. Wake up, Barack! You can't win by only taking pawns! n/t |
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