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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:36 PM
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Daily Kos- "Why are we all stupid?"
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 03:43 PM by NJmaverick
A pretty good read. blue aardvark makes a pretty good attempt at putting all the emotions aside and getting back to reason.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/15/814566/-Why-are-we-all-so-stupid

Disgusting he may be, but I think we have to live with him. Nuking Joe Lieberman as long as he has any utility on any legislation is stupid.

And it is not just Joe Lieberman that makes the public option impossible. There are 40 Republicans in the Senate, and 95% of them are adamantly against the bill. I see a lot of statements that the Democrats aren't getting anything done, and therefore there is no reason to support Democrats. Let us review some policies that people here care about:

1.Jobs. Remember the GOP voting in a bloc against the stimulus? 0 in the House, I think 1 in the Senate. If you think things are bad now, let me (and Paul Krugman, and the CBO) assure you they would be much worse without the stimulus. And there would be much less hope for next year, too. Do you care about the unemployed? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
2.Climate change. Government scientists no longer have to lie in their published work. We are acknowledging that the problem exists. Compare to Jame Inhofe. Do you care about saving the planet? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
3.DADT / DOMA. These are acts of Congress. The GOP will never repeal them, ever. Do you care about LGBT issues? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
4.War. Don't like President Obama's Afghan policy? Do you think a GOP majority in the House or Senate will change it for the better? The only reason they would change it is to deliberately sabotage it to make the President fail. Do you care about the war? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
5.Taxes. The GOP still thinks Reagan was an economic genius. They still think that cutting taxes on rich people is the key to economic growth. Do you care about income inequality? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
6.Regulation of Wall Street. The House bill recently passed is far from perfect. Did you notice the great ideas contributed by the GOP? I didn't see any. In fact, they still blame the crash on CNRA, despite the obvious absurdity. Do you care about regulating Wall Street? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
7.Supreme Court justices. President Obama will get to appoint more judges, probably including SCOTUS. Remember Sonia Sotomayor? Then not supporting Democrats in 2010 is stupid.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:39 PM
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1. Defending the coddling of Joe Lieberman is stupider than anything that prompted that diary.
See, I can call people stupid, too. That the author included themselves in that group takes none of the intent away from that ugly word.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:41 PM
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3. What's stupid is commenting on an article you didn't fully read
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 03:47 PM by NJmaverick
since your comments would have betrayed that fact. You remind me of the book burners who never read the books they want to burn, but they hear that it was terrible.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:50 PM
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8. I absolutely read the article. It defends Obama's decision to keep Joe on "our side" for now
I bet you a box of donuts Lieberman doesn't help us out on one bill from now to 2012.

You remind me of Joe Lieberman.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:30 PM
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14. How big of a box? And how do you define us?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:27 PM
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15. "you remind me of Joe Liberman" that comment reminds me of the old phrase
"you are sounding like a Communist".
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Meanblogger Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:58 PM
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10. Agreed
As usual the Dems weaken themselves. If they had 70 seats they'd find a way to lose. They're like the Washington Generals. They expect to lose so they just do.
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:39 PM
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2. Thanks. I needed that!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:43 PM
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4. I did as well, that's why I posted that
I suspect in time as the anger fades more will come around.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:43 PM
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5. Excellent find, NJMav! Thank you. K&R and here's hoping
more currently at DU will finally get it.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:44 PM
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7. I think in time as the anger fades many will
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:44 PM
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6. That is a good read!! Thanks NJm! knr
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:53 PM
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9. Yumm, the old chestnuts are always the best! nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:01 PM
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11. Some chestnuts just never go bad
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:10 PM
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12. I'm a hypertensive....
...and on the advice of a physician have been encouraged to avoid anything with the initials D,K.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:27 PM
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13. The article actually includes one of your signature lines
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:05 PM
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20. I can't go over there. Even though I have a UID # of 671...
...and I know Markos from when he was only a commenter on other people's blogs -- the place has gone nuts. It's the opposite from the Total Perspective Vortex in the Hitchhiker's Guide, people step into it, and have suddenly revealed not how insignificant they are, but how important.

Not good for the BP.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:28 PM
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16. Screw LIEberman! And if this crap passes, screw the Democratic Party!
And all the arguments about how the Dems are so much better than the GOP are irrelevant because this crappy bill will destroy the Dem's majority. People will vote against the Dems because they will notice that they are worse off under this bill than otherwise.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:42 PM
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18. Screw that nose!
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:32 PM
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17. keep voting for those who represent the corporations,
and maybe you'll get a few crumbs.

Better than pursuing real change. That might be dangerous!









:sarcasm:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:43 PM
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19. Last time I voted I did see a corporation party. So I think I will have to vote for someone else
like the Dems.
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