The left has been right about everything, ever since NAFTA.

[branders seine]

Why then, is the left so marginalized by both political parties?

[Ken Burch]

1. BECAUSE We've been right about everything!

That never gets you far in politics in this country.

[SharonAnn]

15. Like Cassandra. Berated, not believed, but ALWAYS RIGHT!

[NightWatcher]

20. and for some of the things that we know we are right about, they call us crazy

[provis99]

2. the left has been right since the Founding!

but being 100% wrong all of the time has never stopped moderates and conservatives, has it?

[valerief]

3. Because the right control the men with guns. Period. nt

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[G_j]

7. wrong

thank you!

[Luminous Animal]

8. Wow! You are right! Moderates do not want single payer health care!

They do not want unions.

They do not want jobs.

They LIKE being represented by corporations!

[Ken Burch]

18. What are they actually "moderate" ABOUT?

n/t.

[Luminous Animal]

31. Bathwater.

They are in the majority on the bathwater temperature bell curve.

[JVS]

43. They want the same thing as right wing nuts, but don't want to be as loud and assholeish about it.

[Enrique]

10. David Broder?

is that you?

[EFerrari]

11. Maybe you should listen to your kid more.

:)

[Gregorian]

14. Oh, snap!

No you din't!

[Irishonly]

33. LOL

Great advice.

[EFerrari]

34. Darn, those mods are FAST!

:wow:

[Irishonly]

35. Wow

:thumbsup:

[Blasphemer]

13. LOL... not sure how long you'll last but enjoy your stay... nt

[Ken Burch]

21. its "stay" has already ended

The 'stone is in place and pizza is being served!

[Union Yes]

16. Look everyone, a Freepstain!

[Dr Fate]

26. Because "moderates" were WRONG on Iraq, wrong on Bush's economic agenda...

...wrong on Wall Street bail outs, WRONG on supporting Joe Fucking Lieberman.

Listen to Liberals or prepare to continue being WRONG on everything as well as losing credibility and power.

Moderates are being turned off? By who? The people who were wrong on all of the above, or the people who any thinking moderate can see as having a record of being correct?

TRUE Moderates oppose the Iraq war, all are being hurt by the economic plans supported by so-called moderates, and many are being screwed by big insurance.

Independent swing voters are not pissed at what Liberals are doing- b/c Liberals are not even in power.

If they are pissed at the current govt, then they are pissed at the "centrists" or "moderates" who are getting everything wrong, not the Liberals who are being ignored no matter how correct they are.

[Jim Sagle]

27. HIt the road, freepie.

[Ken Burch]

28. The road hit HIM!

Pizza is served.

[roguevalley]

36. moderates can shove it up their rears. I have had it with them.

[Union Yes]

5. Damn straight. knr nt

[Zynx]

6. I blame the academic consensus in economics for a lot of it.

It's a stubbornly free market. It's funny that the most revered minds in economics (Stiglitz, Krugman, etc) don't tow the mainstream economic line and have proposed approaches to policy that would be constructive and yet the mainstream with its undistinguished economists is what ends up making the policy decisions.

[Enrique]

9. becuase of money in politics

being right doesn't pay the campaign bills.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. Seems to me Vietnam & the New Deal trump your claims.

Partner.

NAFTA was a leftover of Bush. Clinton did that one for god knows why.

[dysfunctional press]

22. "Clinton did that one for god knows why."

it doesn't take omniscience to realize that his dlc-ishness had a lot to do with it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

29. I lived through that one, it seemed like a half ass compromise for

something that never happened. I hated that push/vote for that shitty deal. It was Clinton's "savant" side showing for sure.

[Dr Fate]

45. The left was correct about vietnam & the New Deal as well. Also, that was many, many decades ago.

Do you have any recent examples, something from this decade or the last, where the centrist DEMS compromised away something they wanted for the benefit of the Left?

The left could give you the vice versa examples were we did indeed give something up for the benefit of conservatives- for any month out of Obama's term.

[dysfunctional press]

17. because the corporatists have taken over...

both political parties.

[amborin]

19. the left threatens the power structure, which is very strong, wealthy, etc.

[G_j]

23. I always thought leftest thinking was to do what is fair and right

very simply,

It's amazing that the "right" in other countries are, as a rule, intolerant, violent racists & xenophobes, who propel themselves with hatred and intolerance. In America they are somehow, something more acceptable?

In my view, the inspiration of genuine 'left thinking' is to seek the wisest, most just, fair and compassionate ways to live together in this world. So naturally, that has to be right.

[Dr Fate]

24. We were right about Joe Lieberman. The "centrists" who supported him were wrong, as usual.

We were also right when we opposed Obama & Reid's "let it slide" attitude when he was essentially rewarded as opposed to being punished for campaigning for Palin.

It true- the left is generally correct, while the clear eyed, "pragmatic centrists" are not only wrong, but 100%, screwed up, DEAD wrong on almost every major issue and point of strategy.

[roguevalley]

37. I hope Obama is enjoying supporting Liebershithead. Nice move that,

moderate.

[Dr Fate]

41. Those "clear eyed" centrist who "know better than you do" sure screwed that pooch. no?

Good thing they ignored all of us silly, "purist" far left radicals, or we might be in a REAL pickle!!!

[roguevalley]

46. truly

[Generator]

25. It's not about being right iit's about making MONEY

and as long as you can fool the sorry assed poor that some day they too will be kings-hah de fucking ha-then they will always buy that story. But damn the right wing followers think they can be rich someday as long as they don't have health care and education that they have to pay for with TAXES. (and the Democrats believe that Democrats are not bought and sold-ha de fucking ha-they are sold-hey Rahm how many kids you kill today?) They think that France and Norway and Canada have worse lives. (also notice they aren't the world's policeman? MAYBE we should let Norway fix Afghanistan-they can have it as far as I'm concerned-I'll risk the Taliban attacking Portland Oregon for affordable health care on demand) WE HAVE SHIT in this country. YEAH, it's better than China or some poor African country but we only compare ourselves to the worst. WE are idiots.

[demosincebirth]

30. they eat their own...

and at times throw a tantrum when they don't get their way.

[Dr Fate]

44. You dont offer any evidence as to centrists/conservatives being more correct than the left.

Or vice versa.

Are you sure you are responding to right thread?

[blue_onyx]

32. Some of the left did support NAFTA

including, Biden, Kerry, and Kennedy.

[amborin]

38. huh? leftists lead workers to organize into unions in the 1930s, as 1 ex of pre-Nafta accuracy;

[avaistheone1]

39. Because both political parties have sold out to the corporations.

This health care debacle is a case in point.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Depends on who on the Left you are speaking of.

Cause some Democrats thought Kucinich had a chance.
Some thought John Edwards was a sincere caring guy.
Earlier, they thought Howard Dean would win Iowa.
and during the '04 general election,
felt assured that this country would prefer a genuine war hero to a chickenhawk.
and many more than would care to admit didn't think a Black man could win the election.

Others yet thought that whether Gore or Bush, it would be like voting for the same man,
and didn't believe the Supreme Court would award an election without making sure the votes were counted....which is why they didn't get their asses into the streets.

Some also thought we could stop the War in Iraq,
and later, thought that Americans would want to impeach Bush
for starting an war against the wrong country.

This summer, they watched on the sidelines as the Town Hallers screamed and shouted,
and some on the Left laughed, and poked fun, thinking that it wouldn't affect
the public debate on health care.

So, on the whole, the Left has been plenty wrong.

[Dr Fate]

42. In almost every instance you mention, it was conservative DEMS, not leftists who screwed things up.

Sure- lots of leftists assumed that a war hero would beat a chicken hawk- then again, we also assumed that Kerry's "centrist" campaign would fight back on the Swiftboat stuff.

Progreesives BEGGED Kerry to fight back, but the "moderate" voices in his campaign had better plans.

Sure, leftists assumed that the public would support impeachment- assuming that the "centirst" DEMS who control the cards would make a CASE for impeachment. Again, the "moderates" had what they thought were better plans, so no investigation for impeachment was ever even attempted.

Guess what- the public DOES want to end the war now- but "centrists" seem to have other ideas. The left was not wrong, but way ahead of the curve on that one.

Townhalls? I was calling for DEMS to respond to that from the get go- and I dont remember any real Liberals that I know saying otherwise. If anyone was refusing to call out the tea baggers, then it must have been the established, moderate DEMS in power, not the progressives I heard challenging them daily on Air America, etc.

The stolen election? I recall Liberals SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS for Gore to fight for the recounts- it seemed to me that it was the "centrists" and "moderates" who were saying otherwise.

I seem to rcall "centrists" refusing to even charge that the election was stolen at all. Am I I wrong? We were even told by top moderate DEMS to "get over it."

True lefty Liberals said Obama could not get elected? Who? Are you sure it was not the Clinton centrists who were putting out that meme?

You seem to be confusing "centrists" & so-called moderates- who are indeed wrong more than not, with the left.

Sure, the left is wrong now & then (Gore=Bush is your strongest example)-but compared to the "centrists" and conservative DEMS, they are practically sooth sayers.