I'm with Howard. Kill the bill!

[Joanne98]

I can't support this bill anymore. It doesn't have anything left in it that I want!

We're getting A REPUBLICAN BILL!

It's nothing but a bailout for the insurance companies!

We need some someone in the Senate to fillibuster it. Feingold are you listening?

Put back in the public option AND the buy-in for medicare!

Otherwise just fuck it!

:nuke:

[mdmc]

1. howard who?

I doubt Howard Dean wants to kill Obama's victory.

[charlie]

4. Dean

He wants it dead.

[mdmc]

25. wIlDtOwN!

I'm a single payer type of guy myself, but I figured that we would just suck it up and take whatever Obama and the DLC was able to sqeek out of the corporations.

It warms my heart that Dean is willing to stand for something instead of just wanting a weak ass victory for Obama.:toast:

[charlie]

27. And as with his DNC chairmanship

the hidebound apparatchiks are livid he's in the way of their stampede over the cliff. I don't know how he can stand it.

[mdmc]

28. He is playing his role my friend

It is his role to take the heat and stand up on principle...

[sendero]

2. I was with Howard..

.. when he said this bill wasn't great but it was worth passing, and now I'm with him when he says it is not worth passing.

Let this stinking pile die. The only reason Obama wants to pass this is so he can claim victory while the reality is that the senate bill is nothing less than a stunning defeat for anyone expecting any real reform.

[Nite Owl]

3. And who is the WH furious with?

Howard Dean. Not Lieberman, Dean. Says a lot doesn't it.
Feingold is the one that could be the no vote. House is very silent maybe Pelosi is having trouble rounding up the troops there.

[mmonk]

5. That's because it isn't about substance, it's about scoring a legislative victory.

That's all it is ever about IMO.

[Nite Owl]

7. When Obama wouldn't stand up

for having a public option included that became clear. They wanted anything so HE wouldn't fail. It isn't about the people at all, just a future campaign commercial touting his great 'reform'.

[mdmc]

26. agreed my friend

I never expected CHANGE.
I expected a victory for Obama. Reelection for Obama.

[chimpymustgo]

6. WH bitching at HOWARD DEAN? I stand with Dean. He supported this crap as long as he

could, bravely going before the cameras to shore up the administration's bullshit.

He's calling bullshit now.

[eilen]

8. White House official (per Savannah) states Howard Dean is "irrelevant"

and they are still giving Joe Lieberman a rim job.

[WeDidIt]

9. Yep, I'm with Dean. Kill the bill.

No choice any more.

[AndyA]

10. I stand with Howard Dean on this.

Obama has thrown the baby out with the bath water. He has fucked up big time.

By engaging Lieberman, he has shown his supporters it's all about politics and not about change. So we all get a new monthly expense forced upon us that benefits mostly the insurance companies, who are already making a fortune. Those who are barely making ends meet every month get the shaft from Obama.

Let the bill die. Enough is enough. This isn't change.

[bdamomma]

11. and let the Insurance companies pop corks???

I feel that this bill is better than no bill at all, and this issue will on the back burner again for years, and it won't be touched.

[Joanne98]

13. The insurance companies are popping corks now. They want it to pass!

[AndyA]

16. They have taken out almost everything of benefit to the people.

There are now annual caps on the amount insurance companies pay. That means people with devastating illnesses like cancer will go untreated once they reach this cap. But they aren't telling you that.

They also haven't revealed what it will cost people. That MANDATORY insurance fee. An expense that few can afford with 17% unemployment.

The insurance companies ARE POPPING CORKS over this.

We're supposed to take a bad bill and trust these same idiots to improve it over the next few years? Right. How many times will they lie to you before you realize they don't care about you?

[bdamomma]

19. I know full well over the past years they do not care about the

American people. But what is all this about covering 30 million Americans? will it benefit those 30 million people? Also if they kill the bill? Those repigs will be celebrating too if this failures. Horrible situation, two things the people want Public Option and/or Medicare Buy In, they can't oblige the wishes and moral issue for the people. Unbelieveable crap going on.

[AndyA]

20. We can't afford health care for Americans. Health care which should be a RIGHT.

We can't afford it because we have to fund the wars. We have to send more troops over to Afghanistan. The Military-Industrial Complex (AKA The Pentagon) must have money, money, money.

[bdamomma]

22. so again, the MIC has a higher priority than the people.

damn. I hate this, one freaking thing the people want they cannot have, again as you said it is a Right. Greed just sucks.

[Laelth]

12. Amen! This bill needs to go down in flames. It's worse than doing nothing. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Joanne98]

14. Yep!

[seabeyond]

15. you know what bothers me with dean. i listen to him. seems to spell it out. BUT

listening to him last night he now says kill the bill and spelled out some things in the bill that he has never mentioned when he supported getting it thru with option or extending age in medicare. they were still there at that time. the cost still there. all the reasons he says it is not reform now, where there. but was willing to let it go thru. now that it has been stripped of the other two possibilities he points those out.

when getting info from someone, need it all, good and bad.

he did wrong in that, imo. i dont appreciate that. now makes me not trust him like i did before

*on edit... i havent been in this fight on du. i tend to listen and wait on these things to see what develops. but this was one that disappointed me

[chimpymustgo]

17. Dean supported this past his real comfort level. But once they took out the last tool to bring down

costs and make this affordable (Medicare byuy-in), he threw in the towel.

Dean has been a WARRIOR for the bill - until it became not much more than a giveaway to insurance companies. You cannot have mandates WITHOUT cost controls.

Howard Dean is on the right side of history.

[seabeyond]

18. i KNOW dean is on right side and i respect him, hence me mostly listening to him on this

to judge what was going on.

i didnt know they took out the last tool to control the cost?

thanks

[bdamomma]

21. has Bernie Sanders said anything yet? I wonder if he thinks the same thing

as Kill the Bill.

[Vidar]

23. Unfortunately, I have to agree.at this point.

[oldlib]

24. Obama Didn't show the early support

for a Public Option that would have been the leadership needed for passage. The present bill is worthless. Kill the Bill!