I missed the interview (Andrea Mitchell, Jay Rockefeller) -- why did Rockefeller

[gateley]

say Howard Dean is wrong in his assessment of the bill? Anybody catch that? Thanks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. Any scion of one of the biggest capitalist familes of our country would say that.

[dflprincess]

3. And he's putting party before principle

A lot of Democrats seem to operating under the delusional that a bill with "health care" in its title is better than no bill - even if it screws their base.

[gateley]

6. Good point. I can sort of see their side of it, but I think this is so far gone

that even with the "health care" title there won't be a smidgen of health care contained within. Thanks.

[gateley]

5. I kind of view him as one of the good guys even though he's one of THEM. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Because the bill as is, is still better than Dean's in 2004 according to Ezra Klein

as noted here at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x63293

[gateley]

7. Saw that thread, but haven't read it yet. But just because it's "better than

Dean's" (whether that's true or not) isn't a reason to pass a bill. Better doesn't necessarily mean good, so if that's his reasoning, I'm not inclined to agree. Thanks!

[alsame]

4. I've admired Jay's positions throughout this process, but that interview made

me ill. He kept saying 'so what?' that we didn't get everything.

The 'so what' is that people are going to die because of lack of medical care. In the United States of America. That is just unacceptable to me, Jay.

[gateley]

8. Oooh, that would have pissed me off had I heard it. I admire him, too --

especially given his background (extra points), but that, as you say, is unacceptable. Thanks!

[tomm2thumbs]

9. he was playing the 'oh well, we got some stuff, so let's count our candy and move on' game

I hope there is one or two brave Democrats who will see this corporate mess for what it is - and strip out anything that has to do with funding the Insurance companies. And the mandate - that has got to be the most idiotic thing ever - forcing people to participate in an already corrupt and mismanaged system of corporate wallet rape.

He is obviously worn out, but that is no excuse for jumping on Dean while coddling up to Lieberman on Face the Nation - None.