Do you stand with Dr. Dean?

[Sebastian Doyle]

I do, and that's why the avatar is back. :patriot:

If Howard Dean still speaks for you, consider doing the same.

[librechik]

1. Yes--call the bullies' bluff. RECONCILIATION NOW!! MEDICARE PART E!!!

[rhett o rick]

124. Count me in. nt

[lib_wit_it]

183. Yay! All aboard!

[darr]

287. Count me in....

Dr. Dean seems to be one of the very few that have the everyman's back....well, I'd like him to know that we've got his.
I know he was too liberal when he ran in 04 but I think the political climate is MUCH different now and he would get a much bette reception this go round.
Howard Dean 2012!

[JVS]

2. Of course

[jtrockville]

3. Absolutely. Dean, PNHP, Kucinich, Sanders.

[inna]

6. +1

[kestrel91316]

4. I'm damned close to putting him as my avatar.

[JVS]

52. Me too, but I changed mine for the whole peace thing recently.

[thereismore]

5. Yes I do. nt

[golddigger]

7. Yep, he speaks for me.

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. Dr Dean is going to be on Thom Hartmann's show any minute now

Thom will no doubt be willing to talk to him about things that the whore media won't touch, so this should be good.

[slipslidingaway]

9. I do now, but I did not when he said the PO was just like Medicare...

or single payer, when the proposed bills clearly showed that was not true.

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. The public option that he wrote about in his book was very much like Medicare

He wasn't talking about the watered down Senate version.

[slipslidingaway]

22. But he supported the proposed bills and pushed the public option even ...

though it had been watered down substantially. It does not matter what he wrote about in his book, he was pushing the HC reform that was outlined in proposed legislation. It was not 'like Medicare' or was not the single payer system that advocates wanting to be a part of the discussion.

I wonder how many people would have abandoned their support for a not for profit system if Dean did not come out in favor of the public option idea early this year.

:shrug:

During this process not only have we wasted time in adopting a HC system, but we have allowed the opposition time to organize and distort other HC systems where the government plays a larger role. It will now be harder to combat the lies once they have been planted in people's brains.


Posted this several times so FWIW ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8606842&mesg_id=8608167

Interview on the Ed Show was during the time that SP advocates were trying to get a seat at the Senate round tables - Baucus had excluded them from participating. Ed asked Dean what he thought about SP being off the table, Dean said SP is Not off the table. Dean knows what the physicians were advocating for when they talk about SP, Medicare for All.

Why would he confuse the issue and lead people to believe that the public option is the same as SP or just like SP???

In addition he keeps referring to the public option as being like Medicare, but Medicare does not have to compete for the basic coverage with private insurance plans and started with millions of people in the plan which could then bargain for lower prices...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6901201&mesg_id=6902492

My post last night - I did not sleep very well that night in May when I heard Dean state on the Ed Show that single payer was not off the table. I posted a poll shortly afterwards asking if people thought the public option was the same as single payer.

After that appearance I've listened more closely to what Dean said, there was a constant confusion of terms and selling the Obama plan of a public option as "being like Medicare."

Then there was the speech at the AHIP Convention in June telling the insurance companies the public option would not be that bad for them and the push for longer data exclusivity period on biologics.

In sum all very disappointing.

[PDittie]

10. He has never left my sig line

[WorseBeforeBetter]

11. Absolutely.

I've used the Dean avatar pretty much since the get-go.

Kill it. Kill it now.

[tomm2thumbs]

13. Lieberman would be all for it if there was a bomb in the bill for Iran - no doubt

he's all about himself

Howard Dean, who really would have it a lot easier to just disappear and do his own thing, is putting himself on the line for doing this right and not half-assed. It would be a hell of a lot easier to just say 'yea, it's okay' but he is telling the truth and that is important. Folks need to listen.

[chimpymustgo]

53. Dean is speaking truth to power. He doesn't have to. This is for US. We should be GRATEFUL.

I stand with Howard Dean.

[Kweli4Real]

260. Let's not get carried away here ...

Dean is not speaking truth to power, he's throwing bombs at the Office of the President. I would far rather he define the bill away from it being PRESIDENT OBAMA's bill towards reflecting whose bill it really is, the democratic senate's bill ... and then, bomb away.

[AlbertCat]

267. he's throwing bombs at the Office of the President.

Actually, I haven't heard him refer to it as "Obama's Bill" and have only heard him criticize the Senate mostly. He has worried about the Prez's obvious lack of clout in the Senate...but that's another point.

Please give us some links to where Dean has "thrown bombs at the office of the president". Not Obama's lack of leadership....but the "OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT"...y'know, whoever occupies it? Please show us where he refers to the bill as "Obama's Bill". I haven't heard any....but I haven't heard everything he's said so....examples please.

[andlor]

14. Yes, I do.

[Vidar]

15. Yes.

[Donnachaidh]

16. YES. n/t

[damntexdem]

17. Yes, not that I expect it to do any good.

On the other hand, Sen. Burris might be able to stem the current tide -- depending on whether he means he won't vote for a bill without a PO or won't vote for cloture on such a bill.

[WeDidIt]

18. Yes n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

19. YES! (nt)

[kickitup]

20. Yes

Yes, I do.

[MelissaB]

21. Yes, I do!

K&R

[mike_c]

23. yes, but I'll keep my peace avatar....

Howard Dean speaks for me on HCR.

[tnlefty]

24. Yes I do...

:patriot:

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. Sure Do. Read my signature line. It's been there most of the year. n/t

[Missy Vixen]

26. I've always stood with Dr. Dean

I always will.

He is the real deal, as opposed to those who pretend they know what they're talking about re: health care reform, or those who are stalling true reform because of their conflict of interest. Yep, I said it.

:eyes:

[OHdem10]

27. Yes

[kenny blankenship]

28. Yes.

[Le Taz Hot]

29. I joined his campaign in 2004

when their Vermont headquarters had exactly 12 people in it. I was the first to organize for him in California in 2003. I'm ALWAYS with Dr. Dean. May he run for president in 2012 and run THIRD PARTY.

[PA Democrat]

30. YES!

[lewiston]

31. He's the best

Of course I say YES!

[jaded_old_cynic]

32. Damn Straight!

:bounce:

[David Zephyr]

33. Stand with Dean? I'll carry him on my shoulders.

Howard!

[PassingFair]

49. I'll spell you when you get tired.

Dean and Feingold and Jan Schakowsky.

We're gonna need a few other lifters.

[WI_DEM]

34. No, because he offers no solution for getting it done.

How would he get Health Care Reform with a Public Option thru the Senate with four democrats who will oppose it? He says kill the bill and start again in 2011--we will have fewer dems in 2011 and my guess is it will be fewer progressives than anything else.

[felinetta]

100. No, I don't support Dean and Chris Matthews really called him on it.

[ejbr]

112. Reconciliation n/t

[sabrina 1]

280. Defeatism gets nothing done. And that's what

we've seen from th Democrats no matter what the issue. 'We don't have the votes'. Well, GET THEM. Republicans manage to do it.

Don't waste people's time with that excuse anymore. If Obama had really wanted Health Care reform and had gone straight off the bat for a Universal Healthcare system, then used his bully pulpit to get the American People on board, explaining it the way Kucinich did, and FIGHTING for it, slamming Republicans rather than his base, if he had done all that, no Democratic Senator would have dared to vote against it, and even a few Republicans might have been shamed into it. Especially since the American People were FOR a Universal Healthcare system even without anyone explaining to them what it would mean, in terms of saving money, in terms of putting their lives above profits.

I'm not a president, but I was able to persuade people, Repubs, Independents etc. that America must have a humanitarian NOT-FOR-PROFIT Health Care system like every other civilized country in the world. It wasn't hard, people are NOT stupid, they know what is important in this world.

Obama's silence and his catering to the Private Insurance Industry, Rahm Emmanuel's attacks on the base of the party, the exclusion of any discussion even, of real reform, was the writing on the wall.

If this disastrous give-away to the Insurance Industry passes, I would be really surprised if Obama will win in 2012, and for sure he has handed over a Democratic majority to Republicans in 2010.

I don't know who advising, does he really think people will forget this? I thought he was way smarter than this. Or maybe his job was to be a one-term president to geta few things done, war escalation and a bail-out of Wall St. and the Private Insurance business. I don't know, but if he wants to win a second term, he better start working for the people.

[Kitty Herder]

35. Yes. Kill the bill!

[taught_me_patience]

36. Yes... n/t

[closeupready]

37. Yes.

n/t

[HelenWheels]

38. Yes

[cascadiance]

39. According to Thom Hartmann a few minutes ago, Jeff Merkley (OR) is now on board with Dr. Dean!

Call him and tell him we've got his back. I just did!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7243416

[Lugnut]

40. Hell, yeah.

Howard Dean never stopped speaking for me.

[mymessageboardid]

41. Yes K/R

[Ignis]

42. Hell yes. K&R.

:kick:

[harun]

43. Yes

[begin_within]

44. If anyone wants to use this avatar, feel free to

I just made it but I couldn't upload it as my avatar because I'm not a donor at this time. But if anyone wants to use it, just copy it to your desktop then upload it to your profile.

[Raine]

91. I tried but for some reason

it just wouldn't take. I'll keep trying and maybe can it on ... it's a great avatar :thumbsup: ... THANKS! :hi:

[jgraz]

264. Thanks for the avatar!

Feel free to use it yourself ;)

[Luciferous]

45. Yep. Kill the bill!

[Individualist]

46. Yes

[coyote]

47. God how I wish Dean would break with the Dems and start a 3rd party...

the time is ripe.

[BuelahWitch]

48. Yep, I'm a Deaniac from way back

I trust Howard Dean. :patriot:

[Geek_Girl]

50. Mine too

nt

[Swamp Rat]

51. No

Because I've had a cracked ankle since after Katrina and no healthcare insurance, but I stand with him in spirit. :D

[tbyg52]

54. Here.

:patriot:

[Mike Nelson]

55. What Dean Knows Is

that if the bill has little for Democrats, there is no fixing it by Democrats. Democrats will stay home in November. Republicans will use every dirty trick possible to reverse any remaining positive changes in the bill. Republicans and Joe Lieberman should NOT be courted. They should make Republicans filibuster. They should call Lieberman an obstructionist and remove his committee.

[Mike Nelson]

57. his committee chairmanship... -nt

mmmmmmmmmm

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Hell yes

[EmeraldCityGrl]

58. I changed my avatar in solidarity.

[louis c]

59. I love the President, but I agree with Dean

[Raine]

60. Done & THANKS

for the suggestion! :thumbsup: :hi:

[Va Lefty]

61. Damn Straight!!

The good Doctor speaks for me!

[JBear]

62. Yes, I do!

:bounce:

[JenniferJuniper]

63. 100%

[peace frog]

64. Damn right I do.

[Yuugal]

65. I just changed my pic

to the peace sign(I added some blood). Now I have to change it again? If the avatar size wasn't a measly 3k I'd make a nice one for Dean.

[MissDeeds]

66. Yes I do

Firmly and proudly! Thank god Dean speaks for us - no one else does.

:loveya:

[SIMPLYB1980]

67. Nope

[laughingliberal]

68. I do nt

[Goldstein1984]

69. Kill Bill Vol 3

He speaks for me on the current HCR Bill

If it passes, the Republicans, not Democrats, should declare victory.

[salguine]

70. if he ran in the primaries against Obama, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

[LastNaturalist]

71. Nope.

He doesn't think before he speaks and he has zero power.

[girl_interrupted]

72. I Stand with Dr Dean! K&R

[catrose]

73. YES

taking the doctor's advice

[JNelson6563]

74. I've stood with Dean since '03 and still do!

:patriot:

[Demeter]

75. You Betcha! The Doctor Is In!

[MzNov]

76. He can be my Doc any day!

:toast:

[LastNaturalist]

77. Dean is slightly less relevant than George McGovern at this point.

I mean, McGovern at least GOT a Democratic Presidential Nomination.

[Sebastian Doyle]

139. Thanks for kicking the thread

And be sure to tell Rahm I said

[Justitia]

153. Oh, welcome to DUUUUUUUUUUUU.

[freddie mertz]

200. And yet, the WH seemed very scared of him yesterday.

[fascisthunter]

219. you and this Administration wishes

[Upfront]

78. Yes

Always have. He is always right in the end.

[HuckleB]

79. I stand with Paul Krugman on this matter.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/illusions-and-bitterness/

[TayTay]

86. I second that choice n/t

[Billsmile]

109. I Think Krugman is Wrong

My analogy is unemployed people in countries with slave-like wages. Sure they're better off with jobs but....come on.

Slave-like wages suck & the for-profit health care industry sucks.

In both analogies the individual is at the mercy of the for profit machine. Is it really better to be working with the machine than not?

Krugman says yes, but to me it seems that we are at the point where we say....."come on, we've had it working WITH the for profit scum & we're tired of it."

AND!!!!! Listening to "experts" is also out. We The People want our voice for a CHANGE!!!!

The American public IS PROGRESSIVE (check the polls) & we DEMAND the government take notice.

Also, if Krugman's candidate for President, Hillary Clinton, had won the election I firmly believe we'd be exactly in the same health care place we are today.

Party politics doesn't enable the people.

[juajen]

158. That isn't totally correct; Hillary and Obama disagreed on health care and

Hillary drove that point home over and over again. No one knows more about health care than Hillary Clinton, who studied it minutely for many years. Please don't forget her work for CHIP and, unfortunately, she is never given enough credit for the first serious attempt at health care for every citizen in this country.

[Enthusiast]

208. +1, Facts, stubborn things.

A huge majority of the American people favored a strong public option. We should have it, if this is a representative government.

[Enthusiast]

206. I don't.

A strong public option was not too much to expect. Real health care reform was not too much to expect. We only get the government we expect.

[AlbertCat]

269. We only get the government we expect.

What does that mean?

This is the government we "expect"????

Nonsense.

[Enthusiast]

277. We must have high expectations

and insist that these expectations are met. Better?

[Kansas Wyatt]

80. Dean 2012!

I will stand for that, before I will ever stand for Barack Obama or his Shit Bill, that he is trying to pass off as reform.

I have seen enough... 'Hope' & 'Change' mean NOTHING without the deeds.

[LooseWilly]

81. Makes me feel bad for voting for Kerry in '04 primary. I'm down now...

(Then again, in the '04 primary, I was still registered Green... wonder who many other votes Kerry got in the Green primary ;) ...)

I'm a convert. After seeing him take on Matthews and Landrieu both on Hardball today... on obviously hostile ground... Dean's the man.

[sasquatch]

82. Siempre for the most part

[tritsofme]

83. All this talk about Howard Dean makes me wonder what ol' John Edwards thinks of the whole HCR

thing.

Since we're being nostalgic for washed up politicians and all.

[MonteLukast]

89. I think Elizabeth is pretty damn steamed, that's for sure. (n/t)

[tomp]

215. only time will tell who's washed up. nt

[Demoiselle]

234. Edwards had the best HCR program of all in the primary.

Or so said Paul Krugman, back in the day. Krugman also complained that Obama was running "Harry and Louise" ads against Edwards in the Wisconsin Primary.
Funny what little things stick with you.

[tomm2thumbs]

84. abso-f*kking-lutely!

And Olbermann put into words the real problem with what is happening at the end of the process in Washington DC -

who knew the Democratic 'big tent' was really set up for this Circus they call our legislature.

[Bushknew]

85. Yes

[ima_sinnic]

87. yes, and I'm lovin it that Dean, who was so screwed over by the PTB & the DLC

is such a thorn in their side and galvanizing We The People--the same way he did in 2004--this time they won't succeed with "the scream"--I will bust my ass for Dr. Dean. DFA all the way, baby!

Since I just recently switched my avatar, I'll keep it a bit longer but will switch again pretty soon.

[MonteLukast]

88. I do! Go Dr. Dean!

:patriot:

[Myrina]

90. The Good Doctor has ALWAYS spoken for me

:patriot: :applause:

[begin_within]

92. I would vote for Dean in the next primary vs. Obama.

[mmonk]

93. I'm a member of DFA.

So sure, we're in the same ballpark so to speak.

[TankLV]

94. I DO!!! Howard CONTINUES to speak for me!!!

obama was the best choice over palin, and if palin or someone worse is around again, I'll vote AGAIBT THEM AGAIN - not "for" obama...that's for sure!

I just hope we get someone really good to RUN AGAINST HIM NEXT TIME AROUND!!!

[Anwen]

95. YES. n/t

[dflprincess]

96. Yes n/t

[xiamiam]

97. yep..nt

[AsahinaKimi]

98. I worked for Governor Dean's campaign..

I stand by him and behind him. IF this health bill passes, people will be fined and go to prison if they don't pay into it. If people refuse to pay and in fact go to prison... prisons which are ALREADY OVERCROWDED... it will break this country, and there might even be civil war again.

[Papagoose]

99. I stand with Dr. Dean

The representative of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

[winyanstaz]

101. Darn right.....

and I am thinking Dean/Kucinich for next election....:)

[Peregrine Took]

102. All the way with Howard Dean!

He would have been president if the Democratic party establishment hadn't destroyed his candidacy (Kennedy and Kerry)

[julian09]

111. Yes , I would like to see" Howard Dean show" on MSNBC

their ratings would go way up, and which would give Howard the platform he deserves.

[the_real_38]

103. Damned straight. Does Joe Lieberman run our party?

I thought we kicked his ass out for s*** like this.

Dean 2012!

[NorthCarolina]

104. On the issue of the current state of Health Care *Reform*, yes I do. (nt)

[Iwillnevergiveup]

105. Oh, yeah

I still have my "Meet Up" T-shirt from 2004. Long ago stopped wearing it in public when it became faded and stretched out. But still occasionally sleep in it....can't seem to quit it.

[JDPriestly]

106. Good idea although I also like Kucinich.

[AllexxisF1]

107. Hell Yes.

Dean is our voice in the wilderness that has become bizzaro world.

I follow truth and this man speaks it.

[unkachuck]

108. yep....n/t

[mirrera]

110. Yes...

[ejbr]

113. yes n/t

[Carolina]

114. Absolutely!

[mitchtv]

115. he speaks for me

I'm sick of these weaklings

[kiva]

116. Yes.

[highplainsdem]

117. Yes! K & R

[d_b]

118. k&r changing av now

[LastNaturalist]

119. "Dr. Dean" couldn't get elected Dogcatcher, nationally.

He is the second biggest joke in the Democratic Party that liberals don't understand. The biggest joke is Dennis Kucinich.

[R. P. McMurphy]

142. Rahm? Is that you? n/t

[Justitia]

154. Hey Rahm, you're posting this allllll over the place. Nervous? -eom

[LastNaturalist]

181. As nervous as I am of Dennis Kucinich and Cindy Sheehan.

[tomp]

218. nervous about them for the same reason?

i mean, dean, kucinich, and sheehan are three completely different animals, yet you seem to be lumping them together. another reflex centrist, i presume.

[YOY]

249. Just curious. Why don't you just vote republican?

I mean you're basically for the same fucking things. Well maybe not abortion but the reality of that issue is besides the point.

What fucking values do you stand for?

[LastNaturalist]

281. So because I really hate Howard Dean, I should vote Republican? Nah, but thanks.

I like... BARACK OBAMA.

[YOY]

284. Why? What do you stand for?

What the fuck is Obama doing that you like so much that the Republicans wouldn't be doing?

[LastNaturalist]

285. Ok...

Creating clear goals and time-tables for Afghanistan; reforming healthcare; rebuilding American prestige abroad; ending the War in Iraq, that we started, responsibly; closing Guantanamo Bay; enacting real energy reform for America's future - if you can't see the difference between President Obama and President Bush, well then friend, you are a moron.

[YOY]

289. Actually I cannot.

Not Bush dipshit. Bush couldn't be president after two terms. McCain was their man. Remember him? The one many REpublicans were crowing "wasn't conservative enough" so he grabbed the nearest fundie in politics with the correct gender to upset the Democratic base not realizing her potential as a charlatan. You don't think McCAin would do any of those things?

Really? You don't.

What about those of us who think:

Afghanistan is a colossal fucking waste of time spending tons of money on nation building in a nation that, if it cannot stand on it's own after 7 years BELONGS TO THE RELIGIOUS NUTCASES and can never really be "won" if anyone has the colossal fucking balls to define that "win", put a real date on it and then put some money on it.

That not only does Gitmo need to be closed but there needs to be prosecutions to those who enabled it as it is the ultimate insult to the constitution.

Speaking of constitution: how about that Patriot Act? Getting renewed...by a president who is specialized in Constitutional law.

Energy reform...well duh...but we haven't seen anything yet. We won't until a few years.

and the only moron I see is you. Republican lite. The kind of guy who calls Single Payer Health Care: Far Left Fringe.

[freddie mertz]

199. Thanks for sharing, Senator Lieberman.

Rahm's on line three.

[Enthusiast]

210. Funny that, when so many

here agree with him. We are done taking shit, Naturalist.

[fascisthunter]

220. heh, heh... he got under your skin

for someone who isn't "relevent". Thanks for kicking the thread.

[Dinger]

120. Yes I Do

I hope some way, in some office, I have the chance to vote for him. I stand with and support Dr. Dean.:)

[nradisic]

121. Oh Yeah....

I've always been with Dr. Dean...My avatar never changed.

[enigmatic]

122. on this, absolutely

He's right.

[AllyCat]

123. Yes.

[ChiciB1]

125. I STAND WITH DR. HOWARD DEAN!! I'm So Very, Very Upset At

how the administration is attacking him! I think I better not say much more because I could go on for quite some time!

YES, YES, YES... Thank you HOWARD DEAN... A Democrat for "We The People!" Thank you so much for standing up when so many others have not!!
:kick: :dem: :loveya:

[theFrankFactor]

126. I Do and This is the Tip of the Iceberg - DC is Infested with Corporate Filth

[Enthusiast]

211. And I hope to help

root the fucks out!

[BlueJazz]

127. Yes. As it stands now, President Obama can forget my vote in 2012

[jgraz]

128. Dean/Grayson 2012

:patriot:

[Kermitt Gribble]

252. I'll third that! Excellent ticket. n/t

[Digit]

129. Yes

K&R

[myrna minx]

130. Yes. n/t

[PADemD]

131. Yes

[jwirr]

132. Done.

[Riverman]

133. He speaks for our household - 4 voters1

[ldf]

134. absolutely

[tan guera]

137. I'll second that

Dean/Grayson 2012

[xchrom]

135. Recommend

[pleah]

136. K&R #200

[Nikki Stone1]

138. YES

No question

[R. P. McMurphy]

140. Dr. Dean is one of only a handful of politicians that I trust.

Wish I could vote for him for President. President Obama should have picked him for Surgeon General or should have selected him to lead health care reform. Dr. Dean got shafted.

[onestepforward]

141. Yes, without a doubt..

:patriot:

[Stoic]

143. I am a Dean Democrat

And that's why I still donate to Democracy For America every month. Go Dean! Tell truth to power. (I actually mistyped that as "tell truth to poser" which would also be true about that "progressive" poser Barack Obama.)

[midnight]

144. I'm with the Doctor.

[Darth_Kitten]

145. Aie Aie, sir!

ALWAYS did. :)

[lordsummerisle]

146. Yes I do n/t

[wial]

147. let's cut the crap

single payer now

[2Design]

148. yes

[hardtoport]

149. Yes!

Howard Dean speaks for me. And I spoke for him when I e-mailed the White House to tell them what I thought of Robert Gibbs' comments about Dr.Dean.

As far as I'm concerned, the White House just told the Democratic wing of the Democratic party to fuck off. Let Lieberman phone bank and knock on doors for Obama in 2012...Oh, wait....

[Joe Bacon]

150. I'll stand with Dr Dean!

Because Obama has sold us out.

[Justitia]

151. Always have, always will. He has earned my trust. Howard Dean speaks for me. -eom

[salib]

152. Yessir

[deacon]

155. the bill as it is needs to go down in flames. Obama is failing miserably on health care reform. n/t

[Odin2005]

156. YES!!!

[jimbo92107]

157. I will scream with Howard Dean

America needs a government run health care system. Expand the VA to cover all Americans!

[Dragonfli]

159. Yes, He Has Earned My Trust !

But I never change my avatar, not for any reason.

[democracy1st]

160. K & R

[tomg]

161. Changed my avatar.

Dean speaks for me on this. Ironic that so many of us are conflicted as to whether to change our avatars to Dean or Peace. I'll never vote Republican, but after 40 years of voting for the Dems, I am utterly disgusted. As disgusted as I am, I am still holding out some kind of hope, but I am thinking more and more that Obama's game is not so much chess as three card monte.

[meowomon]

162. Kill the Bill.

[shanti]

163. always have

from the get go. my dream ticket: dean/kucinich

[leftstreet]

164. K&R

[upi402]

165. Yes, on his left

with respect to trade and labor. I still have a Dean bumper sticker left from supporting him before -somewhere...

[garybeck]

166. I stand with Howard.

[1]

167. no. i pretty much sit over to the side of dr. dean, outside of the flack...

[sheldon]

168. Dude makes a lot of sense.

[Dr.Phool]

169. FUCKIN' A BUBBA!!!!!!

I'm digging our my old "Dean for America" sign!

[Sunnyshine]

170. I scream with, or I mean stand with Dr. Dean for certain!

Actually been doing both for a long while.

[wisteria]

171. NO!

[whirlygigspin]

172. Yes

n/t

[smalll]

173. For the first time in my life, I stand with Dr. Dean --

I never liked him in 2004, seeing as how he was nothing more and nothing less than an Upper-East-Side-via-Vermont latte liberal.

A lot of us thought Obama was just a latte creature himself, but then he actually WON the nomination, and then the White House himself. Obama's a little broader than Urban Outfittters and/or Anthropologie. :shrug:

[Johnny Noshoes]

174. Yes

[Vidar]

175. Yes.

[Cetacea]

176. Absolutely.

[Wizard777]

177. 2012 I would vote Dean. Obama would not be in the White House without Dean.

He is undoubtedly the architect of our current majority. We didn't get to where are now by playing nice with the Republicans. If it isn't broke you don't fix it.

[shellgame26]

178. Yes..Aaaaagrh!!!

[democrank]

179. Standing with Dr. Dean.

He definitely speaks for me.

[travelingtypist]

180. Loved Keith's endorsement of Dr. Dean tonight.

I must've watched the special comment about 12 times.

[designforce]

182. Yes!

We need Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders to lead the way toward real progressive reform in this country. Not just a Single Payer health care system but so much more.

[sandyj999]

184. I'm On Board! n/t

[gleeindc]

185. Dean on health care reform

with the contributions of the health care industry seeming to play a big part in this debate, I suggest we borrow a line from Dante to post over voting booths:
"Abandon hope all ye who enter here."

[MattSh]

186. I knew the US was in trouble five years ago, when...

the media conspired to get Dean out of the race with that phoney baloney "Dean Scream".

What a bunch of Losers the MSM were, and are.

[Hubert Flottz]

187. Howard don't need no stinkin' campaign cash....

so he can tell the truth about the welfare for the insurance racketeers bill. Give 'em Hell Howard!

They want to finish the bill/heist in time to give their bosses a big Christmas present.

[Name removed]

188. Deleted message

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[Enthusiast]

213. No no no.

Hilary is the same as Obama-a corporate Democrat. Or do you forget Bill Clinton's betrayal of the American people?

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

189. Yes, I will

[Clear Blue Sky]

190. Yes. Huge windfall for the insurance companies. At our expense...

[4dsc]

191. Yes... And Keith Olbermann..

[NeoGreen]

192. Dr Dean was the first politician I ever gave money too...

... I stand with him still.

[The Wizard]

193. We have to question

the Democratic leadership that scuttled Dean's presidential aspirations.
What a country: Whenever a public figure speaks the truth they are marginalized or the corporate media demands an apology.
We're doomed.
Dean wouldn't have put up with Rove's dirty tactics like Kerry did in 04.
In treating Bush like a gentleman Kerry appeared weak.
I still stand with Howard Dean.

[penndragon69]

194. He should have ben President!

[Autumn Colors]

195. Absolutely .... yes! (NT)

[jennyjuniper]

196. Absolutely. I stand with Howard Dean

and always have. He is a real democrat and he created the fifty state strategy and the internet community that fund raised and worked to get Obama elected. Obama has given him zero thanks for that help. But Dean just keeps on working and speaking for real people. Now once again he is proposing a strategy that would work. He is NOT saying give up - he is not really saying kill the bill, he is saying get some backbone and go to reconciliation. Chris Matthews ( the same media whore who destroyed Dean's chances for the presidential nomination by playing the so called scream over and over and over and over ) is a lying creep who deliberately distorted what Dean was saying last night on his show and wouldn't even let him finish a sentence. Keith on the other hand spoke the truth and spoke for us. I am with Dean and I am with Keith and we need to let them both know that we are with them.

[RedCloud]

197. Ready to fight the Titans who stand in our way!

:patriot:

[freddie mertz]

198. Ever since I supported his campaign in 2003.

And I have never regretted it for a day since then.

Howard did not present his public critique of the HCR mess with any kind of joy.

He has been a loyal and consistent supporter of the president, despite his marginalization and mistreatment at the hands of this White House.

Why? Because Dr. Dean puts the public good above personal ambition.

He is one of my very few true political heroes.

[katsy]

201. yes.

[patrice]

202. Kill the Senate Bill

[veness]

203. Thank you, Beloved Dr. Dean, for your leadership in this so very noble cause. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

204. 100%

Dean is absolutely right.
This so-called reform package is now just a big Xmas gift to the insurance company.

And Joe Lieberman is nothing more than a 'ho for the insurance industry. As the NY Times said in an editorial yesterday, Lieberman is the Million Dollar Man for accepting more than $1 million from the insurance industry during his Senate career.

[Enthusiast]

205. I'm sorry to say I do.

I wish Dr. Dean was wrong, but he isn't.

[RainDog]

207. there are very few democrats left who seem to represent democratic values

and he's one of them.

[Laelth]

209. I stand with the truth. Right now, that means I stand with Dr. Dean. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[snappyturtle]

212. Absolutely, YES! nt

[Enthusiast]

214. Is it not clear that the PTB wanted

Dr. Dean out in 2004?

[fascisthunter]

216. here's another kick (nt)

[Jester Messiah]

217. Unfortunately, I think the good doctor is right on this one.

What I really wanted out of this bill was for "pre-existing conditions" to be outlawed and for those who couldn't afford insurance to be provisioned with it by the government. That was the bare minimum. Looks like that isn't going to happen... so thanks for nothing Lieberman.

[BlueJac]

221. Yes

[salguine]

222. I want the Dean Scream for my cell ringtone, and I want a T-shirt/bumper sticker that says

'YEEEEAAAGHH! Howard Dean 2012"

[shadesofgray]

223. Yes, and I hope he keeps exposing Obama's bullshit.

[disndat]

224. I stood by Obama, even after the Afghanistan surge,

Even when he turned off a lot of progressives. Now I am totally turned off. I am as heartbroken as Keith Olbermann last night.

[treestar]

225. so you will be canning the hero worship memes

Since you've found a hero to worship.

[Sebastian Doyle]

262. I'm not into hero worship at all

But I've been standing with Dr. Dean proudly since 2003. And everything he said back in that campaign was later proven right. If he had been elected President in 2004, this country would be well on the road to recovery by now.

[ShortnFiery]

226. Yes. eom

[elizfeelinggreat]

227. Yes

I stand with Dr. Dean!

[amb123]

228. Count me in.

:thumbsup:

[FourScore]

229. done! Thanks.

[workinclasszero]

230. YES!

The health care "reform" bill is a wet kiss to the thieves in the health care insurance racket that is killing 40000 plus americans a year and plunging countless others into bankruptcy and ruin on a daily basis.

This BS sure as hell ain't why I voted democratic in the last election!:grr:

[defendandprotect]

231. Agree with Dean . . .

[nightrain]

232. Dean's got this one correct, dump it and start over. But, Dean has

been incorrect on other items related to healthcare, includng his support for extending time limits on biologics. He fronted for pharmaceuticals himself.

[Chisox08]

233. Yes!

[LAGranny]

235. I stand with Howard Dean

The Senate Bill has been "compromised" to the point where no real healthcare reform exists. Rather than see the for-profit insurance cartels win, this bill needs to be killed.

[stubertmcfly]

236. Absolutely.

No Public Option + No Anti Trust = NO REFORM

This bill is a turd. Dr. Dean is correct to call for it to be dumped.

[w4rma]

237. Yup. This bill is now unpopular with both Democratic and Republican voters.

Without the PO, it's nothing.

[newtothegame]

238. No, I stand with our history-making President!!!! n/t

[salguine]

244. Yeah, biggest betrayal in history.

[YOY]

254. Historically forgettting what party he belongs to!

Oh wait. The last Dem did that too!

[phasma ex machina]

239. Dean's one of the few who speaks for little people such as me. nt

[certainot]

240. dean is wrong when he says the GOP has bigger balls- all they have is limbaugh and

they have a talk radio monopoly at their back 24/7 prechewing all their absurd irrational false talking points for them to a crowd the size of the one that voted for obama.

they're cowards and liars and that UNCONTESTED monopoly, ignored by dems, does most of the work for them.

all they have is false certainty.

[Tigermoose]

241. Dean = EPIC FAIL

[RainDog]

247. Dean = THREAT TO DLC

bring it on, motherfuckers.

[YOY]

250. DLC = EPIC FAIL.

n.t.

[mopinko]

242. hopefully, he has lit a fuse.

go dr dean.

[Don Draper]

243. Hell yes I stand with Dean!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

245. Howard Dean didn't stand with me two years ago.

And while I appreciate some of the points he's made, he's lost a lot of respect in my eyes.

[Jefferson23]

246. I stand by Dean's statements on the health care bill because he is truthful.n/t

[valerief]

248. Yes. Why shovel money to for-profits when they're going to move

to some regulation-free state and overcharge and deny care? Why shovel money to them with no regulations???????

[Hawkeye-X]

251. Always a Deaniac. I'm still waiting for my country back..

I still support Obama, but he won't get my time or $. He'll get my vote, that's just about it. Avatar remains in place.

[Generic Other]

253. Should have never stood with anyone else

Dean is the only one who isn't a corrupt SOB. The only one.

[Kweli4Real]

255. Wow ...

Publically bailing on PRESIDENT OBAMA after less than a year?

Yeah ... that splash you just heard was the right's collective ejaculent hitting the ceiling. The @#$%ing they have been giving the country, in general, and the democrats/the left, in particular, has finally resulted in a money shot.

This nation, democrats in particular, is suffering a collective bout of foot stomping "I want what I want and I want it this @#$%ing instant", and blaming PRESIDENT OBAMA alone for our dissatisfaction.

Sure, PRESIDENT OBAMA could be more forceful in his use of the bully pulpit, but truthfully, we have no idea what he is saying behind the scenes. We gain nothing, at this point, by openly threatening turncoats like Liebermann, while seeking to answer the right's threat of acting in a non-bipartisan fashion.

Our venom should be focused directly on our congress folks, promising our "Non-vigorous support for re-election"]. We should be camped out on the Democrat House and Senate leadership's lawn demanding that they whip the party back into compliance.

The absolute last thing that party leaders (e.g., Dean) should be announcing is their lack of support of our President.

[Sebastian Doyle]

265. President Obama bailed on us

Most of his cabinet choices (Rahm, VilSuck, $ummers, The Elf, etc) confirm that fact. And he has given every indication that he will sign this bill, no matter how shitty it is, despite his previous promise to VETO any bill without a public option.

This is not reform. It is the exact opposite - another bailout to a corrupt industry. And once Obama signs the shit bill, make no mistake, it becomes HIS failure.

[derby378]

256. Howard Dean is the reason I'm a Democrat today

He reached out to the grassroots. He showed me what a Democrat with spine looks like. For that, I will always be grateful to him.

Give 'em hell, Howard!

I think I'll keep my current avatar, however, as a symbol that someone needs to carry the torch. Right now, Howard's doing a great job, illuminating the way to progress.

[KakistocracyHater]

257. hell yeah

*

[Kermitt Gribble]

258. Yes! n/t

[zonkers]

259. Fuck yeah,.

[harvey007]

261. ABSOLUTELY!

Thank you, Dr. Dean!

:fistbump: :fistbump:

[Celtic Merlin]

263. ALLOW the Repulsive Republicans to KILL THE BILL !

Then we can hang it around their necks like an albatross for 2010 and start over with larger majorities.

Bipartisanship was a stupid thing to pursue.
Primary the Blue Pig "Democrats" to Hell.
Strip LIEberman of all chairmanships - treat him like the Repuke hack he is. Let him caucus with his friends.
Gain larger majorities in the House and Senate then re-start health care reform.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist

[Mad_Dem_X]

266. I have always stood with him, and I still do.

:patriot:

[samsingh]

268. yes

[RoccoR5955]

270. Yes, I stand with Dr. Dean... as a matter of fact:

I've posted before, I'll post it again

SANDERS/KUCINICH 2012
or
KUCINICH/SANDERS 2012
TAKE BACK AMERICA!

[colsohlibgal]

271. 100 %+

Dean speaks truth; Obama, unfortunately, speaks with a forked tongue.

[Hatchling]

272. Gotta keep my LGBT Peace Symbol.

But I have a new sig line. :)

[immoderate]

273. I've harbored these "back to the drawing board" feelings for a while...

We started from a compromised position. Single payer was never considered. And that was the right answer.

I also trust Dr. Dean more than most other politicians.

If they put me in jail because I can't afford mandated health care, will they provide health care? That is the American way.

--imm

[ooglymoogly]

274. Yes because this man has integrity and is someone you can trust what he says... something

sadly and blatantly lacking in our present lineup.

[StillHopingForChange]

Just got an email from DFA

Asking for a donation to support Dean on this. I'm not sure exactly HOW they plan to support him, but they got a few bucks from me.

[Greyhound]

275. In this case he does. n/t

[Blue Owl]

276. I sure as hell will not stand with Traitor Joe

and the ridiculous fools who puff, pamper, and pander to that fucking piece of shit sellout.

[G_j]

278. sure do!

[truckin]

279. Yes. K&R

[Cowpunk]

282. 485 Recs, let's make it 500. NT

[greyghost]

283. Hell yes! K&R!

[memory]

286. YES!

[man4allcats]

288. I stand with Dr. Dean in opposition to the healthcare sellout.

I would even take it a couple of steps further than Howard. First, while a truly robust public option with no triggers and readily, easily available assistance for all those unable to afford mandates would perhaps be an acceptable temporary measure, only single payer is acceptable in the long run. Secondly, though I voted for President Obama and do not regret having done so given the alternatives, unlike Dr. Dean my support for President Obama in 2012 is by no means a given. I certainly will not vote for a Republican, but neither will I any longer vote for Democrats who do not act like Democrats. Any Democrats who want my vote will have to earn it. In terms of personal voting strategy, I reserve the right to sit out an election if necessary or to write-in a candidate I consider more acceptable than the party nominee. If Democratic candidates can't win on merit, they don't deserve to win. We're supposed to be better than Republicans - not in league with them. As for Obama, I still believe that greatness is within his grasp, but it won't come to him. He'll have to go after it, and right now he's not doing that. Clearly he was a better choice than Bush's third term which is what we would have had with McCain/Palin or even worse if McCain had died in office and left Palin in charge. Having said that, it would appear at least presently that like Dan Quayle, Obama ain't no Jack Kennedy - nor FDR or Lincoln either for that matter. He either needs to get a grip or start updating his resume.

[gleaner]

290. Yes, I am ...

I spent much of my day yesterday calling my Senators, Congressman, Harry Reid's office, Pelosi's Office and telling them to kill the atrocity in the Senate and start over again. Today it is the DNC in writing and the White House in writing. In each instance I requested Single Payer Medicare for all and asked that it start immediately or there would be no future support or volunteering. I let one of my Senators know that my support of her continued tenure depended on her a thinking of her base and not trying to act like a Republican.

I spoke to people I know and they agreed with me and said they were disappointed and disgusted with Obama's stance on many issues. I think Dean would be an excellent alternative to Obama and I stand with him now. I'm going to keep my Tom Fox avatar, though. He gave up his life to try and bring help and peace to Iraq. I want to recognize him for that, as well as the others who did the same.

I also told the officials I called that I wanted no part of "bi-partisanship." If I had wanted Republicans I would have voted Republican. I suggested it would enhance their credibility if they stripped Lieberman of his special perks and let him be just another Senator. I told Reid's staff that he needed to grow a pair because I was really into the idea of replacing him too.

At this point I am waiting for the Democratic primaries to see if we can find some candidates with guts.