Rockefeller slams Dean: 'Nonsense,' 'irresponsible'

[NJmaverick]

Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean's calls to kill the Senate healthcare bill are "nonsense" and "irresponsible," Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said Wednesday.

Rockefeller, one of the most ardent supporters of the public option in the Senate, sharply broke with Dean, a physician and former Democratic National Committee chairman, who said that Democrats should kill the Senate's health bill because it doesn't contain a public option or Medicare buy-in.

"It's nonsense and it's irresponsible and coming from him as a physician, it's stunning," Rockefeller said during an appearance on MSNBC.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/72547-rockefeller-slams-dean-nonsense-irresponsible

[MNDemNY]

1. Despite what any TV doctor says...THIS BILL MUST DIE.

[NJmaverick]

2. Well thank you for the extermists view point

[MNDemNY]

4. Well..

you seem to have the DLC's back!

[williesgirl]

3. FUCK ALL THESE DEMS (not Dean). I'm finished with the lot of them. Traitors. Hope they choke on

their bribes from insurance companies, hospitals etc. They just may have lost me forever between torture, paying for wars to go on endlessly, and royally fucking the American people who just don't happen to be rich.

[begin_within]

16. I still believe in Kucinich, Sanders and Dean though.

[izquierdista]

5. And that 50 state strategy won't work either.

[NJmaverick]

14. What does that have to do with the current situation?

[izquierdista]

25. Dean was right on that, too.

But does he get any credit from the DLC types?

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[DJ13]

7. Hating on Dean while remaining quiet about Lieberman is a bad move by the Dems

Puts their priorities into perspective.

[NJmaverick]

12. Criticism is not the same as hating

[DJ13]

18. One sided criticism is the same

Wheres the WH criticism of Lieberman?

Between the two of them, who is more to blame for the current backlash the WH is dealing with, Joe or Howard?

[NJmaverick]

21. It's probably split 50/50 based on the posts here on DU

[DJ13]

22. More like 90/10

Nine out of ten people blame Lieberman over Dean on this matter, and for a good reason.

Dean isnt in the Senate making a mockery out of the reform effort.

But Dean is now the enemy to some here simply for pointing out that the important elements that could help people are now stripped from the bill making it worthless. :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

23. They are mad at Liberman but they foolishly abandon a good bill that will save lives

because Dean told them to.

[DJ13]

24. Obama personally called Lieberman yesterday and thanked him

Does that sound like he was doing something the WH didnt support?

[NJmaverick]

26. and what about that thousands that will die with out this bill?

[tritsofme]

8. And people wonder why this bozo wasn't invited

to join the Obama Adminstration?

The only one who benefits if this bill fails is the Republicans.

[Luciferous]

9. You think the Republicans won't benefit if this bill passes?

It's a shitty bill and we all know it, and they will use it against the Democrats every chance they get.

[NJmaverick]

11. If the Republicans would benefit why are they fighting it?

[Libertas1776]

15. Well duh,

because the bill is a freaking joke. They win either way, and the Dems have only themselves to blame.

[PA Democrat]

10. Did Rockefeller have similar harsh words for Joe Lieberman?

You know Joe Lieberman, a Senator, who has a vote and vowed to fillibuster a bill with a Medicare buy-in or a public option (as opposed to Dean who has no vote)?

If not he can STFU.

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. Everyone knows that Rockefeller is a Blue Dog DLC corporatist DINO enabler

C'mon, his name is Rockefeller!!!

;)

[NJmaverick]

17. very nice post, if only it were true

Health care reform
Rockefeller has been a proponent of a public option, fighting with some Democrats on the finance committee, in particular Max Baucus, the chairman of the committee, who contended that there was not enough support for a public option to gather the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster. Baucus asked repeatedly for Rockefeller to stop speaking on the issue.<22>

On September 29, 2009 Rockefeller offered an amendment to the Baucus Health Bill in the Senate Finance Committee to add a public option. The amendment was rejected 15 to 8, with five Democrats (Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Tom Carper, Bill Nelson) and all Republicans voting no.<23>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Then why is he lying about Howard Dean?

[NJmaverick]

20. Seems to me your confusion lies in your assumption

if he isn't lying about Dean everything falls into place.

[Kingofalldems]

27. I see you're slinking around DU trashing Howard Dean today

Lieberman is so proud of you.

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. He is impeding President Obama's legislative agenda

I suppose that you approve?

[Kingofalldems]

29. Did you go after lieberman when he made his many threats to filibuster?

Or turn repub? Or run as an indy after he lost the primary fair and square? Answer: Never Why are you so dishonest?

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. Why do you use the Lieberman boogeyman to hide your opposition to Obama?

:shrug:

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[Freddie Stubbs]

35. Why do you use the Lieberman boogeyman to hide your opposition to Obama?

:shrug:

[Kingofalldems]

38. I answered and apparently someone went crying to the mods

[Ignis]

31. So, this is Obama's bill?

That's interesting. Just earlier today we were being told that he can only sign what Congress puts in front of him.

The poor guy's hamstrung, I tell you, hamstrung!

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. If he is urging members of Congress to support it, it's his bill

[Ignis]

37. I'm glad he got exactly what he wanted, then.

I don't pretend to be smarter than the President, but I disagree strongly with his strategy on this issue.

[GrantDem]

33. Looks like Rockefeller got the DLC talking points memo today.

TRASH DEAN!!!!

Too bad.

[natrat]

34. rockefeller is all about the kabuki,Dr. Dean is due way more trust

[JCMach1]

39. Base to Rockefeller- STFU