Does anyone else think maybe

[EnlightenedOne]

just maybe - Obama wants us to scream and be mad? Why do you think the R's paid for and rounded up people in buses to "pretend" they were upset at the Tea Party's?

As he stated before - much of what happened under Bush was the fault of the people who did not speak out and allowed it to happen. Go ahead, be mad, scream, it's how a democracy works. But I seen no benefit to the "hate" and the mindreaders who think they know what Obama really wants and what his final game plan is. We're supposed to be adults and I think we should act like we are.

So far my faith has not been shaken. I believe he's still the smartest guy in the room and he has right "intentions".

All I know - is despite the massive corruption and bullshit that has been built up for decades in Washington - we've still got the best President we could have hoped for. Its going to take an army to clean up the shit storm Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft etc., etc., left us with, so speak out, but is there anyway we can remain respectful of the man, the office and his duty? I know I could not be respectful to the last administration, but then, we were dealing with the Devil. I don't believe that's the case now.

[MNDemNY]

1. More of the fuckin' chess shit???

:silly: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[EnlightenedOne]

6. I see we have a member of Mensa

in our midst and lots of mind readers.

[MNDemNY]

13. .

:eyes: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[truedelphi]

Well ya gotta hand it to Obama and his defenders - if it is a

Jedi Warrior Knight chess game, it has to be being played on nine hundred and eighty nine dimensions BY NOW!!

[JVS]

43. Chess with Jedi Mind Shit™? Wow!

[polichick]

2. No, I don't think so - he never was the smartest guy in the room and...

...at this point his intentions are pretty questionable.

[truedelphi]

10. Someone mentioned to me once that they thought Obama lacked intellectual curiousity

And I think I agree.

[Captain Hilts]

26. He's not that interested in the details of policy. He told Gordon Brown not to sweat details. nt

[GreenArrow]

50. I assumed that his cosmopolitan upbringing,

and his mother's influence -- she certainly seemed to be a person with intellectual curiosity -- would work to instill that intellectual curiosity in him, but perhaps not.

[truedelphi]

51. Maybe somewhere along the way he figrued out how you can attain

A great deal in terms of power, postiion (and spare time too) if you just find out what the People in Charge want you to say, and say it, rather than worrying about it so much.

[hedgehog]

3. I think he's giving the senators a lot of rope and letting them see the

outrage they'll face. Then a lot of things will go back in during the meeting with House leaders.

[ShortnFiery]

4. Obama may be the smartest guy in the room but IMO, he's lost his *ELVIS.*

There's no EMPATHY nor COMPASSION in his pragmatic stances.

Just WAR and Corporate Profits as far as this Administration Can See.

Only *SCRAPS* for "the little people" who happen to not be born to wealth of the upper 1%.

[EnlightenedOne]

14. I would say despite his intentions

the President isn't the all powerful Wizard of Oz. The game has to be played - or he winds up assassinated by a lone gunman or five. I don't know why people can't see what he's up against.

[ShortnFiery]

17. Obama has sided with the Moneyed Elites NOT the people. For this he will pay the price

of being a One Term President. When Democrats reclaim "Social Justice" issues, then they will be in power again ... NOT BEFORE. :thumbsdown:

[EnlightenedOne]

18. There are 3 more years to go

we'll see.

If he survives.

[ShortnFiery]

19. He's already decided and has LOST the lion's share of his liberal base. Politically he's toast. eom

[EnlightenedOne]

22. HA HA HA HA HA LOL

Yep, after year 1. Brilliant. How much did that crystal ball cost ya?

[Marr]

48. You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Yes, he *had* to surround himself with DLC corporate shills who think government's first job is servicing corporate America. He *had* to open the treasury to Wall Street crooks who also gave his campaign millions of dollars. He *had* to throw a monkey wrench into healthcare reform, enriching other industries who gave him tons of money. He HAD to do it! Because if he didn't... they'd shoot him!!

I mean-- it's not like he has his own personal bodyguards, or access to a television camera! What a horrible position he's in!

:crazy:

[kenny blankenship]

40. Yes, he was like Enron in that regard...

and in other ways as well, which came out later.

[golddigger]

5. LMAO! Checkmate!!!

[readmoreoften]

7. No. No more "chess" and "powder".

And some point you have to face up and look at people's behavior.

[Larkspur]

8. He didn't need us to scream

Polls had already shown that a majority favored the public option and he let Rahm kill it via Lieberman.

Russ Feingold said it best. Lieberman gave Obama the health care bill he wanted -- one that is welfare for the health ins cos.

[AllentownJake]

9. Since they enacted message discipline llc over the summer

No, he doesn't want to have a bunch of leftist screaming at him.

[AndyA]

11. I do not want a President who plays games with the people.

We had enough of that crap with Bush II.

Yes, I do believe Obama is a very smart man. But he's made some very serious errors in judgment if he thinks playing games is the best way to get things done.

This is serious business. This is literally life and death. It deserves respectful, thoughtful consideration and action.

[EnlightenedOne]

16. Politics has always been a game

no matter the issue, and the "game" became mandatory over the last 8 years of this devisive bullshit. I'm sick of it. We got the right guy in my opinion. No one else could have or would have done anything differently or better. We are where we are - climbing out of the burning rubble that is our country. We're not all going to get new clothes and a new home right off the bat.

[AndyA]

23. Perhaps it's time to stop letting politics be a game.

The people elected to these jobs have the destiny of many people depending on their decisions. If those decisions are just a big game, one has to wonder how respectfully those decisions will be made.

I'm glad I've never had any politicians in my family. Most are worse than used car salesmen.

[EnlightenedOne]

25. it will happen, eventually

when people get sick of and stop watching Faux Noise, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh. I don't know how any intelligent person could possible listen to these people or any of the republican leadership. They are playing a game - the game of no and of lies - and a game they will eventually lose. The sooner the better.

[sandnsea]

12. They're asking for a million calls

"I'm calling to thank you for your hard work on health reform, and to let you know that I will stand with you as you keep fighting.

Thank you."

http://advocacy.barackobama.com/healthcare/campaigns/16/call_scripts/42/call_sessions/new?district=OR04&postal_code=97420+&source=20091216_MS_B_DO

[EnlightenedOne]

15. Now, that is constructive

how many people bitching will actually DO something?

[sandnsea]

38. barackobama.com has organized all summer

Posting it here proved useless very early on. They're also organizing hometown job forums, which nobody here has participated in either. And then they bitch about where the community organizer went. :crazy:

[valerief]

20. Chess. Pony. Strategy. Hope. Change. Bullshit. Bernanke. AIG.

Afghanistan. Iraq. Tired. Sick of the lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.

[EnlightenedOne]

29. So, are you suggesting that you

yourself, could have snapped your fingers as president and changed it all? Even Jesus himself couldn't get it all accomplished. And I thought I didn't have enough patience.

[valerief]

35. Go ride your pony and fight with freepers not libs. nt

[EnlightenedOne]

36. I'm not fighting with anyone

Just saying - don't give up, its not over.

[valerief]

46. I've had enough of this changiness. I want change. nt

[dysfunctional press]

21. i made the same suggestion back in august...

back when the weather was still nice enough to consider a HUGH march on washington dc by the teeming masses of uninsured and unemployed.

part of me still wants to think that it's what Obama is really hoping for, considering his roots as a community organizer- that americans will rise up and seize back their country and their power.

but- apparently things just aren't bad enough yet for those groups to warrant that kind of demonstration.

maybe some day...:shrug:

[EnlightenedOne]

24. Yes, its just easier to give up

stay home and let the Republicans win, give up and bitch on a message board. As I said - we can be unhappy and make our demands, but this childish bullshit is too much.

[dysfunctional press]

30. i've said many times that i'm ready to march at any time.

i could be ready to go in as little as two hours, and drive to dc...i could take at least 6 others in my van from chicago.

i've done it before, and it got me included in the movie fahrenheit 9/11:



but- if the dems pass this piece of shit legislation, my days of voting or working for them are OVER.

[EnlightenedOne]

31. You are awesome

Is that you in the long hair? We need your generation and people like you. Its too early to give up. Hang tight and be the change.

[dysfunctional press]

32. no- i'm holding the left side of the 'bush cheated' banner...

that i made in my basement.

(the left side of the picture- my wife is on the right side of the banner, with the brown earmuffs)

[EnlightenedOne]

37. Well, you are still awesome

[dysfunctional press]

41. thanks, but- if obama signs anything resembling the bill apparently coming out of the senate...

i'm done being 'awesome'.

at least for the democrats.

[bigwillq]

27. I don't think he wanted us to be mad at HIM (nt)

[librechik]

28. Not any more.

I used to think that--but since poll after poll comes back 70-80% want the single payer/public option and Obama stays mum, not even a "well, boys, let's try to keep the public option". Not even that.
He's getting exactly the bill he agreed to in may with Big PHarma. It's more important to him to keep that promise than to keep the promise he made to we the people. Speaks for itself.

[kenny blankenship]

33. If he wanted to mobilize us in favor of something good, he would have given speeches to that effect

all along the way -as I indicated here, here and here. Instead we were told to shut up about our whacky national health care ideas and let the President work his magical Public Option plan. After WE put health care on the agenda we were told to zip it. Never mind that the Public Option plan could not possibly do what he promised for it and would have to be amended many times over. It was "a start" they said. It will "get us to the same place eventually," they said. "OK," we said, "if we have to accept it, we will." What a crock of shit. He didn't care about the Public Option idea anymore than he did Single Payer. Once he handed off to Congress he couldn't run away from HIS OWN PLAN fast enough. What he actually supports is a corporatist takeover of the public authority over public health! Forced purchase of FOR-PROFIT defective insurance, not health care. There's no putting a smiley face on this. This is WALMART, WITH GUNS, in charge of your health, and with your bank routing+acct.# on file.

I was too trusting, but I woke up. You - you are just from a laughing academy. I guess they hand out "Enlightenment" there with nitrous oxide and goofballs.

[EnlightenedOne]

39. So angry and hostile

shame.

[truedelphi]

47. + 1. n/t

[RetroLounge]

34. Bullshit.

At this point, no, he's lost me.

One-term-Obama.

RL

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Tea baggers ARE ANGRY

it is not fake anger...

[JVS]

44. Nope.

[walldude]

45. Nope don't think that at all...

First of all what you classify as hate is people angry because they spent time and money to get Dems back in power and what we got in return is FUCKED.

Let me ask you something. Why do you think it is that Republicans have not had to COMPROMISE on anything? Why are all the changes to the HCR bill made by compromising liberal positions? Why is it that when the Dems were out of power they had to compromise on every single bill that went through and now that they are in power they have to do the same thing? Why is it I never heard a single fucking word about 60 votes when the Republicans were in power? They didn't have a sixty vote majority and it didn't fucking matter.

You want to talk about being "adult" well part of being a "grown-up" is realizing when you are getting screwed and standing up for yourself.

[Zhade]

49. How many times can he lie to your face and be forgiven?

NT!