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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:36 PM Original message |
The bill does not protect people with pre-existing conditions |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Can you give us a link to the bill you searched? |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, hang on--gotta find the link. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:50 PM Original message |
Page number(s) please. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
28. I don't know. I simply used the search box for relevant terms |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Yup, doesn't seem to exist. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. I interpret it to ban refusing anyone who pays. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Ditto! |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nos!1!!!1111 |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good point....didn't think about that angle. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. And the other "trap door" ...there is still an annual cap on benefits. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:25 PM Original message |
that's a huge problem and one Obama specifically addressed in his speech |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you - add the link to the original post |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good grief.... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. No, "Guaranteed Issue" means they could not deny her insurance for bad credit |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Can you give us more information on "Guaranteed Issue"? NT |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. i did, see below |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. But that language isn't in the text of the bill. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. it's on page 82: |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Ahhhh! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. hopefully the "community rating" is still in there |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Age, tobacco use, and geographical area, but nothing else |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. On page 84, they say that you cannot be denied for certain health conditions |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. though the section cited in #46 above seems to cover credit |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. That's the kind of detail we need to get to the bottom of |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I hope you're right---the poor credit thing scares me to death. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I don't think we can assume that. |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. If true, an unbelievably fucked up loophole/omission in this bill. I'd love to see the link. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. link: |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. This line makes me question the denials for bad credit: |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. That line is not in the bill. |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Well, that's not a good sign. Is there anywhere that states that exclusions can be made |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I searched for "credit," "credit score," "financial," "financial issues," |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Sounds like you were very thorough. Thank you for responding to my post with such detail. ;-) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. From Leahy's website: |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Annual caps are allowed in the senate bill. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. we are talking about guaranteed issue |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Your previous post implied otherwise, it seems to say annual caps are not allowed. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. what did i lie about? you know me so well... |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. The last sentence of what you posted from laheys website implied that annual caps are not allowed. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. so first you say i lie and now you say maybe not my intention |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. As I said I would in my last post. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. thanks. |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. He didn't lie! |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Did that before you posted this, but thanks anyway. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. In fairness, that is a definintions page, and not a summary of the legislation |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. then post the text of the Senate HCR bill as of it's latest release |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. You posted the link blindly |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. i didn't post it blindly, i was trying to find a definition of guaranteed issue |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Ahhh...you were asked for a link that it was in the bill earlier |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. i was trying to answer the question and address the issue, not post bill text |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. OK...I'll read the argument there for more info...thx |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Notice this text: |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Actually, the first part of the sentence applies to all... |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. How can it apply to all when it specifically lists |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. because it requires insurers to issue coverage to everybody in one section |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Requirement of insurers to offer and renew coverage, regardless of health status or pre-existing con |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
54. or blue eyes? |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Thank you, Creekdog and Lyric..... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. i want people to focus on actual problems in the bill |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Definition of "guaranteed issue" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. here's the text from the bill: (page 82) |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Yes, I agree. I hadn't read that section before I wrote that. NT |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wow. This is very significant. k&r for exposure. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think it is a good question, but before yelling, may be you could ask the question. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. As someone who has worked very sporadically the past 2 years |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
33. There was a guy on Ed's show the other day that discussed this... |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Former CEO of Cigna |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
40. I have been writing about this for a while - You are EXACTLY correct! |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. Does it prevent discrimination of people who have blue eyes? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. and there's no provision about Unicorns either |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. That was unnecessary. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. i was joking |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Corollary question: |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. the law requires them to issue insurance to ANYONE |
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seeinfweggos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
70. bullshit |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Did you read the OP? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
74. That is patent hystrionics |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I can tell you this |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
76. What is the enforcement mechanism? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
77. K&R |
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