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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:03 PM Original message |
I would have been FAR happier if Obama had tried and failed at REAL health care reform |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. My exact thoughts. Thanks for posting. Damn him for compromising. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. i'm getting cynical; don't think he compromised, think this is what he wanted |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Either way is bad. nt |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. If he had truly led an effort to achieve REAL health care reform |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Why on Earth Would You Say That? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. The point is he didnt fight for us at all. This bill is shit. nt |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. I Agree with That Completely |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Joe Lieberman is the point ... People need to grow up ... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. I'm sorry, that 's just more excuses for the man who was |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Lieberman is a red herring. I want Pres Obama to come out strong for a robust PO. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. My thoughts exactly. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. It would have made the Bailout and War funding pills easier to swallow |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. really? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Not in mine either |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. I basically agree. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Not to mention the crucially important climate capitulation.4% of 1990, really? nt |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Well, that discussion will have to wait for another night. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Three? I wish! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. +500 --that's almost the worst, imo. just shockingly bad leadership and example for the world |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
48. More of the SHAME. nt |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. Got that right... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. Agreed. n/t |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. I agree! I thought he care most of all about the people, healthcare for the people. . . |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Actually, I think he IS fighting for his vision. It seems wrong to you because, unlike Obama, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. There were a few of us poor folk who sounded the alarm. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think you speak for many of us here. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. If it was up to Obama we would have real healthcare reform however |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. It was up to Obama. He doesn't want real reform. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I am for passing this stupid bill. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Sorry. Love Paul Krugman but he's calling it wrong on this one. I'm going with Dean's judgement here |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. disagree; he's doing just what he wants; just another example of whose interests are being aided |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
12. Me too. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yep. I thought we were voting for a fighter. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. +5 |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. damn straight |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
50. On WHAT planet does that happen ... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. On the planet where the Democrats are actually a functioning political party. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's better to go down swinging than to go down looking |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
20. I would have been FAR happier had Kucinich been elected instead of Obama |
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gimama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Bless Your HEART! |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Because Congress would go along with him? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Because for one, I have little doubt that Kucinich would USE the Presidential bully pulpit |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. Olbermann and now you are stating what I am thinking |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
32. I'm with you. |
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WT Fuheck (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
34. we should have known in January when he unilaterally & single-handedly killed all discussion |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
36. interesting article: "The Self-Destruction of Obama" : |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
38. 100% with you on that. Everyone understands how difficult the climate for this can be |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
39. Agree |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
40. Come on now, he's a chess master. Here's the plan... |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
42. He is not a dictator |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. He's not a leader either |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
44. You mean instead of trying to fail? |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
45. I would also be far happier if he were to VETO this bill. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
51. KO made a GREAT point last night - the wingnuts could not have hated him |
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Baclava (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. It's not a popularity contest - it's governing |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
52. My feelings exactly. |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
53. Here's the thing |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
54. No doubt |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. Absolutely. Carter failed, in part because of Kennedy's opposition, but he he always |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. "Carter is probably the most honorable president we ever had" |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
58. Yup. |
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TiberiusGracchus (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. At this point we need ONE progressive senator to vote against cloture and... |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
60. Oh boy, you got that right! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
63. Like Love |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
64. Absolutely!! n/t |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
66. So ramming through something that would OBVIOUSLY fail is OK |
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