Tea Partiers rally: 'Kill the bill'

[seeinfweggos]

Source: politico

Clad in red and armed with Grinch dolls, grim reaper scarecrows, posters and their loud voices, several thousand tea party protesters rallied near the Capitol Tuesday to send a single message: "Kill the Bill."


The crowd's message and energy was only intensified by the encouragement of some of the nation’s best known conservatives, including Sens. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) and radio personality Laura Ingraham.

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"You came before, you came again, I guess they must be deaf. They can't hear you!" Bachmann screamed over the cheers. "We're not leaving until you understand that no means no. What part of no don't you people understand?"


The congresswoman, who has emerged as a conservative icon, led the crowd in chants of "Kill the Bill," before suggesting President Barack Obama, Senate Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on their lack of knowledge of the U.S. Constitution.


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[Arkana]

1. "We don't want health care for every American. Bomb more brown people instead!"

"UAS! UAS!"

[seeinfweggos]

8. oll

[Kerrytravelers]

2. "their lack of knowledge of the U.S. Constitution"

Well, aren't they precious?

:eyes:

[seeinfweggos]

5. they just want to kill the bill

[HuckleB]

3. Oh my goodness.

[seeinfweggos]

7. check out this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594ZroAdcnw

[Goldstein1984]

4. Different people with different reasons.

They are corporate sheep apposing health care reform entirely. The want to kill the bill because it might contain a "socialist" public option.

Progressives want to kill the bill because the final product is unworthy of the American people. It's a sham that forces people who can't afford insurance to become customers of the insurance industry. Without a public option, there will be nothing to keep insurance premiums in check. Big Pharma will continue with license to charge U.S. citizens ten times what they charge people in other countries.

[seeinfweggos]

6. but they all want to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594ZroAdcnw

[Goldstein1984]

9. The reason for killing it the bill makes all the difference

Based on my belief that a public option is an indispensable part of any health care reform bill, I can oppose the Teabagger demand to kill the bill because it may contain a public option and support the progressive demand to kill the bill because the final product does not contain one.

[seeinfweggos]

10. as both groups work to kill the bill, no?

[Goldstein1984]

11. Separated in time and motive

I understand what you are saying, but I believe motive makes all the difference.

One is opposed because it might provide coverage to the uninsured.

The other is opposed because it failed to provide coverage for the uninsured (in addition to other failures).

[seeinfweggos]

12. time? it was TODAY. motive? KILL THE BILL

[Goldstein1984]

13. Motive: Decent healthcare reform with a public option

Sorry. The teabagger video didn't look like Washington in December.

[seeinfweggos]

14. well hell, i'm for a public option, actually i'd prefer medicare buy in at 25

but it ain't gonna happen (now). the votes aren't there (now). and anyone chanting "kill the bill" from the left or the right is chanting for the screwing of a lot of americans.

btw - they were chanting it TODAY

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4187782

[Goldstein1984]

16. I'm chanting today, too

I've sent out more emails and made more phone calls than I can remember.

The present bill forces the purchase of insurance from the very companies that are screwing America. It gives the insurance companies more customers without giving them a reason to reduce or even control costs. In makes it a crime to fail to purchase insurance.

We just disagree on what constitutes an acceptable bill.

[seeinfweggos]

18. well, there you go.

[Goldstein1984]

21. Chanting is just an action. Motive makes the difference.

I've written emails and made phone calls too, does that put me in the same category as those writing emails with completely different motives?

This bill is a bad one.

A lot of Democrats are in support of killing this bill.

[seeinfweggos]

30. and so when votes are counted, how are the motivations registered exactly?

[idahoblue]

24. health care

Yes, different reasons. I think this bill should be scrapped. They need to scrap this bill, take a breather, grow a backbone and write a new bill that will be real reform. Socialized medicine is good enough for our veterans and seniors but not for the rest of us? We have been sold out. Where is the pro reform rally? Are we now unable to mobilize? Why do we just hear from a bunch of lemming windbags? Where is the push-back?

[anigbrowl]

35. And yet, with the exact same slogan, which is all people will remember.

I've warned about this before. Soundbites, slogans, and the like a fungible political currency; when you travel far enough in one direction along the political spectrum, you eventually meet up with your political opposites. It's entirely true that the motivations are different, but rallying behind a simplistic slogan makes people into the tools of those who are expert in framing and manipulating political debate for their own ends, regardless of what the fine print says.

This is a real 'open mouth, insert foot' moment for the left. When progressives employ authoritarian language, they lose.

[MilesColtrane]

15. You can't say that Obama hasn't brought the left and right together in a...

"new spirit of cooperation".

[seeinfweggos]

26. +100

[Doctor_J]

17. The 20% fringe wins another battle against the 80% real Americans

ooh, I can't wait until we take matters into our own hands.

[ellie]

19. Based on this

the health care bill will pass. Why? When was the last time anyone in Congress did anything that the American people wanted? I mean really? Have you ever seen a bigger group of slack-jawed lackeys?

[girl gone mad]

20. Opposition is not just for teabaggers anymore.

The majority is against this reform.

[JDPriestly]

22. The bill is dead. Obama is a dud. Forget it.

[mstinamotorcity]

23. I keep saying

That we need a health care bill that has a public option with mental health benefits because that witch michele bachmann is f--king bi-polar}( }( }(

[StClone]

25. Baaa the Baaa...BAA the BAA!

Truly ignorant people don't want anything equally shared in the pursuit of Social (Social meaning all of US) well-being. They vow to fight to the end so that we may all suffer separately, albeit equally.

[pampango]

27. HCR has turned into one of those Democratic policy proposals that many here will thank republicans

(probably unanimously) and a handful of Democrats (maybe 1 or 2) for defeating. If Obama has a 3-D chess move up his sleeve, good for him, but it doesn't look like it to me. If repubs can stay united (and there's every indication that they can), they can defeat Obama.

Repubs might have some concern that shooting down HCR might cost them in 2010, but they are probably banking on the election being about "the economy, stupid" not about health care. Depending on how the 2010 election goes, we can come back to HCR in 2011.

[sendero]

28. This bill is worse than nothing..

... if TeaBaggers suddenly wanted to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm not going to say "stay in" just to oppose them.

Their reasons are completely different than mine, and even dishonorable.

But the bill is bullshit and I fervently hope it dies. If this is the best Obama can do for the American people we are in a lot of trouble.

[butterfly77]

33. Don't you mean..

If this is the best that the House and Senate can do for the American people we are in a lot of trouble.Didn't they write the bill?

[sendero]

37. There's this thing called leadership..

.... LBJ used it to push SWEEPING CIVIL RIGHTS REFORMS that were very unpopular at the time into law.

George Bush II the moron got damn near everything he wanted from Congress even without party majorities.

Obama, the bought off puss, cannot even pass legislation that most Americans want.

Please don't give me the "Congress did it" crap. They did it because nobody told them what to do. Which is what leaders do, except leaders actually make you WANT to do it, that's another story.

[butterfly77]

38. That is your problem ..

you want him to be what other Presidents were he is who he is.Bush passed what he passed because his party went along with whatever he wanted along with the fake Democrats/republicons.

[DainBramaged]

29. There is no one class of people in this country stupider than Teabaggers/Teapartiers

IMHO Most of the people at these rallies are retired and on Medicaid, so they aren't affected by ANY HCR.


Stupid fucks. They are killing their children and grandchildren for the wealthy.

[Forkboy]

31. Guilt by association is so passe.

Next?

[QC]

34. We have lots of little Roy Cohns running around here who would beg to differ. n/t

[TiberiusGracchus]

32. Thousands of them have been at it since summer... imagine if we had just Half as many Half the time

supporting Single Payer or the Public Option or recission protection or preexisting condition protection.

Imagine if we had just HALF that many people at least giving the progressives in congress some POLITICAL COVER to stand up for the principles we put them in office for in the first place.

The teabaggers are dictating OUR HEALTHCARE POLICY despite being discredited, out of office and totally powerless.

Seriously, what the fuck.

[spanone]

36. they are pawns in dick armey's sick game.