Obama wants "government by, for, and of the people" no more than George W. Bush did.

[kpete]

Why can't you just admit it stinks?

Americans didn't believe that they were voting for a conservative who worked for the robber barons and wanted to impoverish what we call "the middle-class" - that is, the working classes

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In terms of the spectrum of American policy - that is, what is within the framework of the Constitution - you don't get to call your politics "moderate" just because you don't wear a white hood and burn crosses on people's lawns. But that, apparently, is what most of the Villagers think a "moderate" is. The fact that Obama is only quietly dismissive of liberals and liberal policy is supposed to mean he's "moderate" - that is, he has moderate language compared to, say, Rush Limbaugh and the Republican leadership. He isn't seething with obvious hatred. He just doesn't really care that much. And he knows better than to shout at the top of his lungs that he is killing liberal government while he still has the bloody knife in his hands.

It is now abundantly clear that Obama wants "government by, for, and of the people" no more than George W. Bush did. He does not want democracy - he has actively opposed allowing Americans to get what they need and what they voted for.

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As I have tried to remind you, Obama never intended to pass a public option. He may use Lieberman for cover, but this was Obama's plan all along. That's because Mr. "No Drama" was more concerned with preventing the insurance companies from running ads calling him names than he was with securing decent health coverage for Americans. It was just a bargaining chip he intended to throw away. And that puts him far to the right of the American people. Do not tell me that just because he has gotten away with this so far, this proves that the American people are "moderate". The American people are not "moderate" in Village terms, they are moderate in American terms, which means they are not insane enough to want to be, as so many smart people have noted, forced to buy lousy insurance they can't afford. And once they realize that this is what Obama is forcing on them, they will hate him even more than they hated George W. Bush.

Here's a clue: One reason commercial insurance mandates work in the few countries that have them (although at far greater expense than the other countries that don't have them) is that in all of those countries, health insurance is non-profit. It has to be. That's the law. Oh, and they have to deliver, too.

more:
http://sideshow.me.uk/sdec09.htm#12171438

[BurtWorm]

1. They believe in government by, for and of the persons in Scalia's sense

(ie, the corporations).

[Craftsman]

2. We do not have a rep or dem controlled government, we've a corporate controlled one

[Richardo]

3. Yes. Obama = Bush. How could I have been so blind?

:boring:

[Buzz Clik]

4. Another "Obama is the same as Bush" bullshit thread. This one courtesy of the UK.

kpete -- if we repeat it often enough, will it become true?

[kpete]

5. sorry if my political anger offends, but I MUST vomit up my rage somewhere...

Meanwhile...

Total spending on health care, per person, 2007:
United States: $7290
Switzerland: $4417
France: $3601
United Kingdom: $2992
Average of OECD developed nations: $2964
Italy: $2686
Japan: $2581

And you are paying more in taxes to maintain our commercialized health care system than Brits pay for a fully socialized health care system that is free at the point of use.

[Buzz Clik]

7. ... and that's Obama's fault. Good call.

Who'd you vote for in 2008? I don't mean for President, and I don't mean in the general election. I mean in the local precincts when the whores were being recruited for the Democratic Party for Congress? Kindly put your venom to work on the correct targets.

If you want that kind of change, make it work.

[Skittles]

6. read the article

[Buzz Clik]

8. Again?

Why do you kneejerk types think that a difference in opinion is equivalent to ignorance?

[dionysus]

10. all i see is the people that have loathed him from the start having orgasms, and a bunch of suckers

going along for the ride...

[Buzz Clik]

11. That's what I see.

[Skittles]

18. well then you are fucking blind

[kpete]

12. I LOVED OBAMA

I still have hope
but it is diminished,
I am SO disappointed today.
Aren't YOU?

peace, kp


ps: for those of you who KNOW me,
you know, some days I get so mad I post things that are angrier even than I am.
I do NOT agree that Obama is as bad as W.
I am, however, angry enough today to call him names and throw a tomato or two or three.

[dionysus]

14. i don't know anyone who is thrilled, and my statement wasn't directed at you so much as

what i'm seeing in general.

[dionysus]

9. oh yeah. totally the same. uh huh

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

13. Howard Dean had no public option in 2004

Why wasn't everybody in a twirl then?? The plan in 2004 was subsidized insurance, from Kerry and Dean. If you thought it was a good idea then, what has changed your mind now?

[dionysus]

15. the deep well of perpetual outrage. WE'RE A 3rd WOrLD COUNTRY ZOMG

[TwilightGardener]

16. This criticism is over the top. George Bush did not attempt any sort of

health reforms. Obama may get excoriated for trying, and possibly for failing, but it does take courage to undertake such an unwieldy national problem--especially as a Democrat, in an era of Death Panels and Socialism and Show Us Your Birth Certificate.

[democrat_patriot]

17. Riiiiight. Obama is the same as GWB.

I'm votin' for Palin!!! I mean what's the difference.

I should have voted for McCain - it's all clear now.