FLASHBACK: MCCAIN Refused To Grant 30 SECONDS Of Time During Iraq War Debate

[Segami]

Stick a shoe in it McCain. The stench of your hypocrisy is stinking up the house.


ThinkPrgress: <http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/18/mccain-hypocrisy-franken/>



Yesterday, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), acting on the orders of the Senate leadership, refused to grant Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) “an additional moment” to continue speaking on the Senate floor after his 10 minutes expired. Franken’s objection caused Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to groan about how Franken’s move was unprofessional, unprecedented, and disrespectful:



McCAIN: I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent.



Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.



On October 10, 2002 — just ahead of the looming mid-term elections — the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.


During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bush’s constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:



The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator’s time has expired.

Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.

Mr. McCAIN. I object.



Byrd stepped in to grant Dayton time to finish his remarks. But just moments later, Byrd asked for more time to speak for himself. Again, McCain objected, prompting Byrd to chide him for doing so. “This shows the patience of a Senator,” Byrd said. “This clearly demonstrates that the train is coming down on us like a Mack truck, and we are not even going to consider a few extra minutes for this Senator.”


After being publicly shamed, McCain acquiesced to Byrd’s request. But moments later, McCain added this disclaimer: “I wish to say very briefly that I understand people have a desire to speak. We have a number of Senators who have not spoken on this issue. It is already looking as if we may be here well into this evening. From now on, I will be adhering strictly to the rules.” In other words, he acted just like Franken did yesterday.

[Divine Discontent]

1. oh HA! I guess with some good digging (good job) McCain would have been exposed, because we know

how much of a slimy bastard he is...

what a sick ol' grouchy codger he is.


Maybe Al can show him the text of his lie?



AL FRANKEN - THANK YOU!

[Monk06]

2. Nice catch K&R

[hfojvt]

3. but...but...but...McCain's a straight talker

at least that's the popular script. knr

[old guy]

4. Unfortunately, the corporate media will never report this.

[Gregorian]

5. YES! The Daily Show writers must be crying that they're on vacation.

Great find!

Fuck you McSlime.

[Downtown Hound]

6. A hypocritical Republican?

Who'd have thunk it? LOL. Great catch.

[Jim__]

7. Great catch!

I'd love to see the "news" media report on this.

[Brickbat]

8. Nice find. K&R.

[hfojvt]

9. aha, this is the duplicate

24 minutes later than the other one.

[valerief]

10. I'm shocked, shocked to find hypocrisy from McCain!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[hughee99]

11. Sadly, in McCain's defense,

both Dayton and Byrd WERE allowed to finish their remarks, despite McCain's objections, so in this case neither Senator (Byrd or Dayton) was denied the extra minute or two to finish their remarks.

[mzmolly]

12. Not that it matters, but do you have a link or something?

Thanks :hi:

[hughee99]

13. A link to what? It's in the OP.

"Byrd stepped in to grant Dayton time to finish his remarks. But just moments later, Byrd asked for more time to speak for himself. Again, McCain objected, prompting Byrd to chide him for doing so. “This shows the patience of a Senator,” Byrd said. “This clearly demonstrates that the train is coming down on us like a Mack truck, and we are not even going to consider a few extra minutes for this Senator.”


After being publicly shamed, McCain acquiesced to Byrd’s request. But moments later, McCain added this disclaimer: “I wish to say very briefly that I understand people have a desire to speak. We have a number of Senators who have not spoken on this issue. It is already looking as if we may be here well into this evening. From now on, I will be adhering strictly to the rules.” In other words, he acted just like Franken did yesterday."

According to this, both Byrd and Dayton did, in fact, finish their remarks over McCains objections.

[mzmolly]

14. Ahhh, I was thinking you had a video

link. However he did object to granting additional time, initially.

[hughee99]

15. He did, and I wasn't suggesting he's not a jackass for doing it

(Byrd didn't seem to happy with it, though, from the sound of it), but in the example provided, both his objections were overruled or withdrawn, as opposed to the Franken case, where they were not.

[mzmolly]

16. Right. Though in Franken's case, McCain simply stated he'd NEVER seen such a

thing in all his years... He didn't ask Al to reconsider. McCain's forgetful it seems? ;)

[hughee99]

18. But what didn't he remember seeing

An objection to someone finishing their remarks, or someone not actually being able to finish their remarks, over objections.

McCain "I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent."

In the Franken case, the person didn't get to finish, in the McCain example, both did. Had he never seen such an objection, or had he never seen one not get overruled? McCain is just stirring up shit, since there wasn't anything Lieberdouche was going to say in his last minute or to that meant a damn anyway. For that matter, there's nothing either clown has said, at least in the last 10 years, worth a damn anyway.

[mzmolly]

19. I would imagine the objection

as McCain did not press Franken on it. He simply whined that he'd never in all his years witnessed... :nopity:

[hughee99]

20. I'm not sure, from his statement it sounds like he was saying

that he'd never seen a Senator not be able to finish his remarks. In either case, he was more interested in the opportunity to whine about the unfairness than in filling the Senate with the remainder of the horseshit that was comming out of Lieberdouche's mouth, which is probably why he didn't press it.

[mzmolly]

26. Ah, I see, he's only seen and taken part in an "attempt"

apparently? :eyes:

[hughee99]

28. One could argue that.

I'm not sure how common "attempts" are. I don't get to watch as much of CSPAN2 as I'd like.

[mzmolly]

30. If he meant to imply that it's common to FEIGN the denial of an "extra minute or two"

vs. actually denying someone additional time, tis a shame he didn't make himself more clear.

[hughee99]

32. Tis a shame he's in the Senate in general. n/t

[mzmolly]

33. Indeed it is. But, we tried...

;)

[Major Hogwash]

17. Fuck McCain. He's a warmongering racist piece of dawg shit.

Lowlife garbage that never should have been in the Senate.

[progressoid]

21. Haaaaaahahahaha!

[BlueIdaho]

22. The old steel trap ain't what it used to be...

[lpbk2713]

23. Situational amnesia.

How typical for a rethuglican.

[Dappleganger]

24. If he can't remember that it doesn't count...

*snickers*

[slipslidingaway]

25. Cspan video from 10/10/02 ...

After Dayton spoke, Senator Nickles then spoke and referenced points Senator Dayton made in his speech. When Nickles finished speaking the time was then going to McCain's time, Senator Dayton wanted to ask a question and McCain did not want his time used and he objected to the use of his time.

:shrug:

On the second point Byrd asked that his time to speak on his amendment not be counted against his time to speak on cloture and McCain initially objected.


"Mr. BYRD. I thank the Chair. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that my time on this amendment not count against my hour under cloture."

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/congress/?q=node/69850&date=2002-10-10&hors=s

After watching the videos I disagree with the post at Thinkprogress, yes McCain did object, but it was a matter of how time would be allocated, not just giving someone an extra minute. Start at the Nickles video just before noon, unfortunately the text does not always match the video links.

[slipslidingaway]

35. What is missing at the cspan site, video and text, is the following exchange ...

as is listed at the cns site.

http://cns.miis.edu/cr/021014sd.htm

"The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.

Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.

Mr. McCAIN. I object.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard."


:shrug:

[ljm2002]

27. Well you know the old saying...

..."It all depends on whose ox is gored."

So true, so true.

[bigwillq]

29. K and R!

:bounce:

[saltpoint]

31. Poor Old sour grapes McCain.

In the modern age, Senator McCain, they like, keep records and stuff.

[tomm2thumbs]

34. someone should mark out his forehead with a marker - he'll say 'where's my hat?'

he's a lying sack of shantytown

[FunkyLeprechaun]

36. It's like

McCain doesn't even know the internet exists for this kind of fact-checking. Politicians should be very careful about lying through their teeth these days!!

[spicegal]

37. McCain's memory is fine, he's just a lying sack of garbage, just like everyone else in his Party.

[KansDem]

38. Poor John, he's still senatoralizing like there was no Internet...

He still thinks he can spew horseshit and the Corporate Media will cover it up...

[winyanstaz]

39. Oh NOZ!.....

Is McCain senile now? Gosh we dodged a bullet on that one didn't we? :P

edited because I cant speel bullit :P

[niyad]

40. kick, and bookmarked