Aren't you glad Obama got Congress to declare war on Yemen before air strike kills 63 civilians?

[Faryn Balyncd]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7274996&mesg_id=7274996


Sure glad we don't have those constitution-shredding Cheneyites around anymore!!!!

[lapfog_1]

1. When I first heard this last night, I was flabbergasted.

I thought it must be some Iranian disinformation campaign.

Why in the hell would President Obama use OUR fighters and OUR pilots to do this raid, even if the intel that there was a terrorist training camp there was above reproach?

There are whole squadrons of Saudi Pilots right there, flying the same aircraft and their pilots having been trained right along side ours. We got to quit doing the Saudis dirty work for them. If the Saudis think there is a terrorist training camp within a few miles of it's southern border, then they should be the ones to take it out, not us.

Good god!

[Jamastiene]

2. And 28 children to boot...

BONUS!!!

[Iggo]

20. My president just killed 28 children?

Nice.

[Echo In Light]

35. The puppet installed in keeping w/the "democracy" charade knows who butters the bread

[galileoreloaded]

52. No, no...they went to live on a farm in the country......n/t

[AllentownJake]

3. Well at least he kept the Bush Doctorine

I was worried about him not upholding that.

[DerekG]

4. Shut up! He's playing chess!

Those civilians just happen to be pawns.

[Zhade]

42. DAMN.

That's a pretty devastating remark. Wish it weren't so true.

[IndianaGreen]

60. They are as much pawns as we are!

[NJmaverick]

5. Not a reputable source

[Faryn Balyncd]

6. I guess we'd better asked some of our media's "military analysts",eh?

[NJmaverick]

8. I think you should have confirmed fact rather than questionable rumor

before you go off on your attacks

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I did, use the google, but CNN has it on

in both CNN I and CNN...

Though Information Clearinghouse is right twice a day.. you know how that goes.

[NJmaverick]

12. CNN makes no mention of 63 civilians

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I thought you meant the actual story

as to civilian casualties, apparently the locals are opening an investigation... which tells me some civies did die... the question is how many. And ICH is a fiction site, for the most part.

[IndianaGreen]

23. and CNN didn't mention the 600,000 civilians we killed in Iraq

Brent Sadler was pulled from his Afghanistan assignment in 2002 when he shot a video of an Afghani village flattened to the ground by a B-52 strikes. The only recognizable bodies were that of children and old people.

[Zhade]

43. CNN didn't mention us killing civilians? What a shock!

Where have you BEEN the last decade? Under a rock?

[pecwae]

54. Then, of course, it never happened

Exactly like it has never happened in the past because CNN carried no news of it.

[girl gone mad]

31. Maybe some 'in bedded' reporters..

could tell us the truth, as the DOD sees fit to portray it.

Ain't fascism grand?

[IndianaGreen]

11. Obama ordered the bombing of civilian village (Al-Jazeera)

However, residents of Abyan said that there was no al-Qaeda training camp in the area and that the raids had destroyed several homes.

Ali Mohammed Mansour, who said he helped bury the dead in a mass grave, said that the community was only 100 metres away from a main road and 2km from an army base.

Abbas al-Assal, a local human rights activist who was at the scene, said 64 people were killed, including 23 children and 17 women.

"The government wants to show the world that it is serious in pursuing al-Qaeda elements and that the south of Yemen is a refuge for al-Qaeda. That is not true at all," al-Assal told the Associated Press by telephone.

Mohammed Hazran, Abyan's deputy governor, said that 10 al-Qaeda suspects were killed in the attack, including Mohammed Saleh al-Kazemi, a Saudi who had resided in the country since fighting in Afghanistan.

He was imprisoned in Yemen for two years before being released in 2005.

'Grave mistakes'

A provincial security official said that "grave mistakes occurred in the operation due to failures of information, which led to a large number of civilian deaths".

"If (al-Kazemi) was wanted, why didn't the authorities come and arrest him all this time?" he said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009121954017137936.html

This White House lies as much as Bush's did!

[NJmaverick]

13. lol, yeah al-jazeera is much better

[IndianaGreen]

15. While you guys were eating Bush's lies about WMD in the MSM

Al-Jazeera was exposing them, as did the British press.

[Toasterlad]

37. Don't Bother. No Source Is Good Enough For An Obamabot If It's Not Kissing Obama Ass.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Here you go from Televisa Mexico

Ataque aéreo en Yemen deja 87 muertos

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Fuente: EFE
Continúan los duros enfrentamientos entre el ejército y rebeldes chiítas de Yemen; la Fuerza Aérea bombardea un campamento de refugiados y mata a al menos 87 personas

SANÁ, Yemen, sep. 17, 2009.- Ochenta y siete personas han muerto y 40 han resultado heridas en una zona remota del Yemen al bombardear la Fuerza Aérea un campamento de refugiados del norte del país, en una acción sin previo aviso que fue descrita por los testigos como "un baño de sangre".

http://www2.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/internacional/mundo/097755/ataque-aereo-yemen-deja-87-muertos

Won't bother to translate... by the way Al Jazeera is far better than Information Clearing House in case you wonder.

As I said, ICH is usually a fiction site, but there were over 80 people killed, 30-5 rebels, and foreigners... the rest civilians.

[Synicus Maximus]

66. that's in spanish. Therefore it is not to be trusted

[G_j]

18. ask the Pentagon, they'll tell ya the truth

:sarcasm:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. +1 The Pentagon is jampacked with truth tellers and humanitarians..like the Mafia.

[G_j]

24. if the Pentagon gives you civilian causality figures

you can bet good money that they are lying.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Remember the "5 O'Clock Follies" in Vietnam? When they kept wiping out the NLF?

Several times over, as I recall.

[G_j]

26. & as I recall, the NYT was doing their job

as well as ever, reporting the lies.

[arcadian]

29. BBC

That "REAL" enough for ya?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8411726.stm

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

50. Um, that link claims it was the Saudi air force.

[progressoid]

7. Meh. We've done that kind of thing for decades.

You don't need a declaration of war to drop a few bombs.

[IndianaGreen]

9. Obama really wants to become a war criminal, which killing civilians will guarantee

He is expanding US military presence in Latin America, has increased military operations in the Philippines, Yemen, and in Africa. He is just an efficient version of Donald Rumsfeld!

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. That, however, would mean switching sides

since Obama is supporting the Yemeni government.

[LooseWilly]

19. Uhh... the article says Shia fighters were targeted-- al Qa'eda is a Sunni organization.

"The Shia fighters on Friday reported the deaths of 63 people, including some 28 children, in the southeastern province of Abyan."

This wasn't al Qa'eda or al Qa'eda sympathizers, if they were Shia. More like potential targets... until the US bombed them first.

And that Mexican news source listed upthread says it was 87, not just 63, dead. And it says witnesses called it a "blood bath".

[IndianaGreen]

22. They all look the same to Obama, as they did to Bush

The sad truth is that Saudi Arabia is backing the Wahhabi Yemeni regime against a Shia insurrection. The Shia are seen by Wahhabis as heretics. Al-Qaeda is Wahhabi. The US is intruding into a civil war on behalf of Saudi Arabia. Since telling the truth to the American people would be troublesome for the Bushbama Administration, it is best to put out a bullshit story about Al-Qaeda.

The one guy they did killed, had been released from prison in 2005, and had been living in the open. He could been arrested, but instead the US decided to use the same tactics used against the Branch Davidians and come in shooting, no questions asked.

It saddens me every time innocent civilians are killed and few take notice.

[G_j]

28. instead,

they attempt to link it to 9/11 ( Al-Qaeda)
one more time!

[G_j]

27. good observation!

and I believe it said the report came from a local human rights worker.

[Mithreal]

33. Thank you for pointing this out

[kenny blankenship]

30. Does this mean their coffee will stop being so expensive?

I hate that we have to bid competitively against Japanese importers. Since we're bringing Yemen the blessings of liberty now we deserve to get preferential access!

[Toasterlad]

39. This War Will Pay For Itself In Coffee.

[Mari333]

32. man, this admin is turning into even worse assholes than I imagined

warmongering mfckers.

[Karmadillo]

34. If we don't kill civilians over there, we'll have to kill civilians over here?

Well, that one doesn't really work, but I'm sure someone else can do better. Maybe something using duct tape and threat levels.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. This was a cooperation with Yemen.

And frankly, I'm reminded of when those pirates were shot during that hostage taken, and people were sympathizing with the pirates.

[Karmadillo]

38. The children were pirates?

nt

[IndianaGreen]

41. We are killing Shia civilians on behalf of the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and their Yemeni puppets

And Obama's Pentagon lies as much as Bush's Pentagon, that much is clear!

[JCMach1]

48. in support of the dictator, Al Saleh

You are correct.

[Zhade]

44. So because of that, killing a couple dozen CHILDREN is just fine?

Sick.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Saudi air strike kills Yemen rebels as US drawn into fight (second air strike in a week)

This is the second air strike within a week! We are killing Shia on behalf of Saudi Arabia in Yemen!

Saudi air strike kills Yemen rebels as US drawn into fight

Yemen's Houthi rebels claim a Saudi Arabia air strike on Sunday killed 54 people, including women and children. The US is increasingly concerned restive Yemen is becoming a haven for terrorism.

By Liam Stack / December 21, 2009

A Saudi air strike late Sunday has reportedly killed dozens, including women and children, in a north Yemen town known to support that country’s Houthi rebels. The strike highlights growing concern about stability on the Arabian peninsula as the US is reportedly becoming more involved in planning and executing strikes on Yemen’s anti-government militants.

A spokesman for the Houthis claimed that a Saudi “massacre” killed 54 people in the town of Al Nadheer in the northern province of Saada, reports Agence France-Presse. The group also claimed on Sunday night that Saudi forces were advancing on the nearby town of Zawa, also in Saada, and had launched “more than 200 shells.”

It is the second reported air strike on the border town of Razeh in a week, says Al Jazeera. An earlier air strike in a market there is said to have killed 70.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2009/1221/Saudi-air-strike-kills-Yemen-rebels-as-US-drawn-into-fight

[otohara]

45. U.S AIDED YEMINI GOVT.

U.S. Aids Yemeni Raids on Al Qaeda, Officials Say

WASHINGTON — The United States provided firepower, intelligence and other support to the government of Yemen as it carried out raids this week to strike at suspected hide-outs of Al Qaeda within its borders, according to officials familiar with the operations.

The officials said that the American support was approved by President Obama and came at the request of the Yemeni government.

The American contributions were intended to help Yemen to prevent Al Qaeda from mounting attacks against American and other foreign targets inside its borders. Officials declined to say whether those targets were embassies, businesses, schools or other sites.

Yemeni officials said their security forces had killed at least 34 militants in the broadest attack on the terrorist group in years. A range of Pentagon, military and intelligence officials declined to provide details of the reported attacks, which, according to ABC News, included American missiles. But officials in Washington offered words of support for the government of Yemen in tackling international terrorism. “Yemen should be commended for actions against Al Qaeda,” said Bryan G. Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman. “Al Qaeda poses a serious threat to Yemeni, U.S. and regional interests.”http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/world/middleeast/19yemen.html?_r


Gawd, any propaganda will do here at DU as long as it sheds President Obama in a BAD light.
Due to the sudden hatred to President Obama, any old negative story will do

[IndianaGreen]

46. Obama's Pentagon lies as much as Bush's did

Yemen is a Wahhabi dictatorship. They call all their opponents Al-Qaeda.

[newspeak]

69. yeah, nothing like siding with the most extreme fundies

The Wahhabi in SA rules that country--I mean we are so much into freeing the people and placing in democracies all over the world.:sarcasm: SA has one of the worst human rights records, and I believe Bill Moyer had a terrorist specialist on his show when the civilian killings were going on in Iraq and stated that Wahhabis from SA were crossing over the border committing civilian deaths. This stinks big time. Who are we actually supporting? If you want to keep repressive regimes in place as long as they'll go along with your corporate agenda, then don't feed the American public a bunch of shite how your protecting the people and building democracies all over the world.

[JCMach1]

47. Here is a Round-up of Sources from The National

The National has consistently had the best coverage of all things in Yemen during the recent conflicts... Why? They have resources on the ground.

Following a military operation in Yemen targeting suspected al Qa'eda militants, a local official said on Sunday that 49 civilians, among them 23 children and 17 women, were killed in air strikes which he said were carried out "indiscriminately," Agence France Presse reported.

Earlier it had been reported by ABC News that on orders from the US President Barack Obama, the US military had launched cruise missiles in the attacks.

The National said that thousands of people took to the streets of southern Yemen on Saturday to denounce the military action and ensuing deaths of innocent civilians.

"According to local sources, about 3,000 people in Dhal'e province and hundreds in Lahj and Abyan provinces condemned the military operation. Angry protesters shouted anti-government slogans and demanded an investigation into the attack."... AFP said: "The local official from the Al-Mahfed region, which includes the village of Al-Maajala where the strike took place, on Sunday confirmed civilian deaths.

" 'The raid was carried out indiscriminately and killed 49 civilians, including 23 children and 17 women,' said the official, who did not wish to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue.

"A tribal leader from the Al-Kazam tribe too confirmed civilian deaths.

" 'In total, 49 civilians were killed,' he told AFP. "Al Qa'eda has chosen to build its training centre on land where bedouin nomads pitch their tents, and the government forces believe the nomads harbour al Qa'eda forces,' said the leader, also speaking on condition of anonymity."

US officials speaking to The New York Times confirmed that the United States provided firepower, intelligence and other support to the government of Yemen as it carried out raids...http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091221/GLOBALBRIEFING/912219995


Yes, the Obama administrations is providing DIRECT military support to the dictator, Al Saleh.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

49. There still isn't a single legitimate source backing up this story.

Where's the beef?

[timtom]

55. Just whom did you have in mind as a "legitimate source?"

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

57. Let's start with "Not the Iranian government's propoganda organ." n/t

[IndianaGreen]

58. Is the Christian Science Monitor a 'legitimate' source by the Ministry of Truth?

Thought crimes spoils our collective double plus good.

[Blue-Jay]

51. No US military troops are in Yemen without Yemeni approval.

Therefore, no congressional support is needed, and no war has been declared.

[Solly Mack]

53. Report: US helped Yemen's strike against al-Qaida

Report: US helped Yemen's strike against al-Qaida


WASHINGTON (AP) The U.S. provided firepower and other aid to Yemen in its strike this week against suspected al-Qaida hide-outs and training sites within its borders, the NYTimes reported.

President Barack Obama approved the military and intelligence support, which came at the request of the Yemeni government. It was intended to help stem growing attacks against American and other foreign targets in Yemen, the Times reported in its online editions late Friday.


Speaking to The Associated Press, Mohammed Albasha, a spokesman for the Yemeni embassy in Washington, the U.S. launched missiles in the attack.


49 civilians killed in air strike: local Yemeni official

SANAA (AFP) – A local Yemeni official said on Sunday that 49 civilians, among them 23 children and 17 women, were killed in air strikes against Al-Qaeda, which he said were carried out "indiscriminately."

Exiled southern leader Ali Salem al-Baid had accused the Yemeni authorities of killing at least 62 civilians in Thursday's air strikes Sanaa said targeted an Al-Qaeda training camp in the southern province of Abyan.


US backs Yemen's raids on Al-Qaeda: report

Raids also took place in the capital Sanaa and the neighboring district of Arhab, to the northeast, a defense ministry official.

Some of the strikes against suspected Al-Qaeda hideouts in Yemen this week were undertaken by local forces alone, US officials told the Times.

ABC News reported on Friday that the reported attacks included US missiles.

The television network said one of the targeted sites was a suspected training camp for Al-Qaeda north of Sanaa while the second was at a site where "an imminent attack against a US asset was being planned," according to officials.

It identified raids carried out by Yemeni security forces at three separate location in addition to the two US cruise missile attacks.






There were (and continue to be) multiple raids on Thursday ...there have also been the raids that the Saudis have been involved in... Which have been going on for 5 years...

Yemen-Saudi Skirmishes Threaten a Wider Conflict

People don't seem to realize that.

New York Times

"Yemen is also facing other security threats, including an armed rebellion in the north, where fighting has flared up in recent months and Saudi forces have become involved.

There is no indication that the various insurgents targeting Yemen’s government are cooperating, but the concurrent crises have weakened the state’s ability to react."



Yemen kills at least 34 militants in fresh raids against al-Qaeda


Legitimate sources, not legitimate sources...what-the-fuck-ever

[IndianaGreen]

59. We are killing 'Al-Qaeda' just as we did Vietcong in Vietnam

Never mind the dead infants and pregnant women, if the Ministry of Peace say they were Al-Qaeda, by golly they were.

[Solly Mack]

63. That is SOP... until forced to admit otherwise

Almost all (if not all, iirc) of the above articles mention civilian dead and America's role.

[Ignis]

62. Thanks for posting these "legitimate" links.

Your tax dollars at work! :puke:

[Solly Mack]

64. and Thank you too! Though I don't have a legitmate link to prove my thanks :P

I couldn't resist :)

[Ignis]

65. I'll wait to hear from a reliable source, then.

;)

[Solly Mack]

67. LOL! I love it!

[Freddie Stubbs]

56. Congress had already given him the legal authority to do so

[IndianaGreen]

61. Next US bombing will be in Latin America

And the Blue Dogs will be barking in excitement.

[Freddie Stubbs]

68. Are there any Al Qaeda militants there?

:shrug:

[Echo In Light]

70. Kick