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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:05 AM
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Will the "free clinics" lead to the birth of a guerilla heathcare system in this country?
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 04:05 AM by Ken Burch
The possibilities of the clinics are extroardinary, if we choose to take a broad view. It could be the path towards creating a parallel healthcare system that is both non-bureaucratic and liberated from the profit system.

I hope that the vision of those creating those clinics can grow, and that they can embrace the possibility of creating something rare and wondrous in these times-a true ALTERNATIVE model of how life can be lived and how the world can run itself.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:06 AM
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1. Aren't free clinics single payer of a sort?
forget i said that. :hide:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:14 AM
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2. Technically, they'd be "non-payer"
In the tradition of the Diggers' "Free Store" in San Francisco in the 60s. Have you ever read "Ringolevio" by Emmett Grogan? He discusses how they did it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:16 AM
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4. no, not quite. and as I said, this is NOT new.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:17 AM
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5. Well, it can be something that already exists that can be built on.
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 04:33 AM by Ken Burch
If the status quo is going to be preserved in the healthcare bill(and there's a frighteningly good chance of that)this model can and must be used to create an economic "liberated zone". This is something Big Pharma and Big Forma have now forced upon us.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:29 AM
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6. I"m not being a wet blanket about it, I 'm just trying to add some
info. You clearly know very little about CHCs. I'm familiar with them as they exist here.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:34 AM
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7. I appreciate the information then, and have edited the post you've responded to.
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 04:35 AM by Ken Burch
I'm going to read the link you've sent.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 04:14 AM
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3. There's already something to build on- they won't have to create
it from scratch.

here's a link to a CHC.

http://www.chcb.org/
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:37 AM
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8. Now explain why something like this has to be attached to a piece of shit--
--that enslaves everyone except possibly users of the clinics to corporations who murder by spreadsheet.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:41 AM
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9. It doesn't.
n/t.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:43 AM
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10. Then let's ask our Congresscritters to pull it out and pass it separately
Along with the program for getting more primary care physicians.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:50 AM
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11. OK, I'm with you on that.
n/t.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:02 AM
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12. We had a guerrilla health clinic here up until a year or so ago.
The powers that be shut it down and revoked his license to practice in the state. The excuse was the paperwork was not in proper order. They made no attempt to help him at all. They basically walked in and shut him down.
The good doctor was doing a valuable service by providing medical care to those who otherwise could not afford it.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:48 AM
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15. it sounds like there
is more to that story.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:50 AM
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16. Where do you live? Can you give us more information on what went down?
n/t.
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My Good Babushka Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:41 AM
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13. If you mean Community Health Centers
They are not "free". I've been going to one since we lost our insurance, and they have sliding scale fees. People with insurance can use them, too. They are always very nice and helpful and have a good range of services, even though there is sometimes a month long wait to see a specialist.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:46 AM
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14. it's not liberated from the profit system when you are mandated to
pay into the profit system or pay a fine that goes into the same profit system.

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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:15 AM
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17. I guess the tipping point would be if they could do surgeries. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:29 AM
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18. I appreciate the sentiment, but I think free clinics are not helpful, overall
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 09:31 AM by SoCalDem
why?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/SoCalDem/176

Shifting the weight, Casting off responsibility

Posted by SoCalDem in General Discussion Fri Aug 14th 2009, 07:20 AM


The health care "expos" that are going on around the country, point to another problem we have. It's a problem that most are covering incorrectly.

The former Aetna executive who saw & reported on one in Appalachia, touched on it, and now there's another one going on here in Inglewood, CA.

THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people are showing up for free health care.. They are waiting in the hot sun, for a chance to see a doctor or a dentist. They are getting vision tests too.

The media is showing some of it, because it's newsworthy, BUT they stop there.

The altruism of the doctors, nurses & aides is commendable, but these people should not HAVE to donate their time & money to care for poor people, in the "richest country" in the world (as we like to call ourselves).

It would appear that becoming a doctor or nurse may start out as a dream to "do good", and that somewhere along the line, a schism happens in the medical community, and some doctors peel off to become "rich". The true altruists of the medical community end up carrying a much heavier load, because their consciences and their calling, push them to always do "more". These dedicated people are also in the process of burning themselves out.

The fact that they willingly donate their time, expertise, energy and even money, is covering for the obvious lack of public responsibility. Once "someone else" does a task, many just shrug & say "Whew, now WE don't have to do that".

I have NOTHING against volunteerism, but this is something else.

Schools feel perfectly justified in having mass lay- offs, and then "demand" more parental participation, or volunteers. Every paid position they can eliminate, and replace with a non-paid volunteer, means more money is available to be spread around to those at the "top".

Social Services agencies routinely cut poor people from various programs, as they change the "requirements" for participation, and then push these people into food pantries that are understocked even in the best of times. They deny housing to poor people, and shove them into their cars, vans & into tents, while houses sit empty (their values dropping daily, as they are vandalized). The "positive effect" of these actions, comes when the politicians responsible crow about being "fiscally responsible", and brag about how they CUT "waste".

The "waste & fat" they cut, are PEOPLE...poor people.

Doctors & nurses with a social conscience are stepping into the void in health care because no one else will, and because they feel obligated to fulfill their Hippocratic Oath, and "the state" breathes another sigh of relief because now THEY are off the hook with yet another public obligation they have failed to meet.

I wonder how many of our "leaders" are thinking about how this looks to the rest of the world. Doctors who may have (in the past) come to the impoverished 3rd world countries, to donate some medical treatments, are now fanning out across the richest country in the world, to donate care to its own citizens, while insurance fatcats & hospital corporation vampires & big-pharma hyenas are raking in the dough by the hundreds of thousands per hour, and naming buildings after themselves instead of helping medically-deprived fellow citizens.

These same corporate robber-barons are blowing through premium payments made by "the little people", to fund low-information voters' "Town Brawl" disruptions, just so the fat-cats can eventually cut off coverage or under-provide services to those same people. What a laugh-fest must be going on in the boardrooms!

The money they are throwing at disruption of necessary changes in medical care delivery systems, would fund many a Health Expo....or better yet, eliminate the NEED for them.
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