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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:06 AM
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The Approaching Storm. The 2010 Congressional Elections and the Democratic Party.
As the attention shifts to Joe Lieberman and his new found power in being able to kill any remaining meagar progressive aspects of the Senate Health Care Bill and any cost containment mechanism except in reduction of care that health care insurers and their representatives in the Republican Party and their allies in the Blue Dog coalition and the DLC Democrats seek, public anger continues to build among the Democratic voters and the Progressives who sought change. This month, actor and activist Margot Kidder had the following to say about Democratic Party politicians in an op-ed titled "Ax Max, Time To Declare War on Democratic Blackmailers" ,
The absence of democracy in a congress whose votes are bought, sold, and traded like pork bellies by big corporations in exchange for highly profitable votes and amendments on bills is a bi-partisan infection. And the pus is everywhere.

Give me a nut job for an enemy anytime. You can take aim at the obviousness of the problem and roll a strike 99 times out of a hundred. But if your enemy is disguised as a boring but harmless friend, and wears the same logo on his sweatshirt as you do, then landing a punch is like trying to slug mist. There’s no connection, no delicious smacking sound, there’s no obvious win. The fact that 20 to 25 percent of Americans support policies and politicians that are bat shit crazy is not as much a concern as the fact that 50 to 60 percent of Americans support politicians whose policies are for sale to the highest bidder, and exist independent of any underlying morality or consistent philosophy of government. Arlen Specter calls himself a Democrat for God’s sake. And so does Ben Nelson. And Blanche Lincoln. These are not Democrats; they’re Republicans in Donkey suits. And somewhat tasteful donkey suits at that. None of them would have strings of tea bags dangling from THEIR cowboy hats, you can bet the ranch on that. They are much more dangerous than Rush Limbaugh could ever hope to be.



She had this to say about her Senator Max Baucus who has led the Senate disaster on health care reform,

The hideous truth is that this empty suit-person almost single handedly took the reform out of health care reform, has introduced and somehow passed more legislation to abet the cornucopia of crime that is our banking system than anyone else in congress, and has stalled the funding of any, if not all, modern programs that would give financial lifeboats of one kind or another to families in need. He did it by pretending he was a Democrat and by hanging in there long enough to get appointed, almost by default, as chair of the banking committee. And he gets elected in a state with the fourth lowest per capita income in the country by consistently “bringing home the pork.”


She had this this to say about "centrists" and the portrayal of them,

The mainstream media calls Max Baucus and other Democratic blackmailers “centrists”. As compared to what, Chiang Kai-Shek? “Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,” said Yeats, but that was in 1919 and he was referencing the Russian revolution. America’s centre has been tap dancing to the right since Ronald Reagan was loosed upon the world and it hasn’t taken a backwards step yet, so our centre is way out in right field and has no intention of coming back of its own accord. It’s up to us, unfortunately.




And it's not just "liberals" or progressives that are realizing they are continually sold out by their party and that the Democratic Party itself has changed. In an op-ed titled http://counterpunch.org/roberts12042009.html">"The Twin Frauds of Obama", Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration had this to say,

There was a time when Democratic presidents represented the little man, and Republicans represented business. Today both parties represent the moneyed interests. On December 3 at the jobs summit with business leaders, Obama said, “We don’t have enough public dollars to fill the hole of private dollars that was created as a consequence of the crisis.”

In other words, all the public’s money has been spent on the banks and the wars.

Despite Democratic majorities in the House and Senate and the ease with which Obama won the presidential election over McCain/Palin, the Democratic Party has totally collapsed. The Democrats have abandoned every constituency. Democrats have discarded the American people. Democrats, in pursuit of campaign contributions, represent the moneyed interests on Wall Street, the munitions companies, the insurance companies, the agri-businesses that have destroyed independent farmers, despoilers of the environment, unaccountable police, and the builders of detention centers. The exception is Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

The Democrats have become brownshirt Republicans.


And what about the 60 vote excuse in the Senate? John Avarosis shoots that excuse down in his piece titled http://www.americablog.com/2009/12/gop-had-at-most-55-senators-during.html">"The GOP had at most 55 Senators during Bush's presidency" at AMERICAblog. He wrote

I've heard people say that it's not fair to criticize the Democrats for botching health care reform because the Democrats never truly had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Sure, they have 60 votes in principle, the argument goes, but with Lieberman, Nelson, Landrieu, and Bayh counted as four of those votes, it's not really a solid 60.

Perhaps. But then how was George Bush so effective in passing legislation during his presidency when he never had more than 55 Republicans in the Senate? In fact, during Bush's most effective years, from 2001 to 2005, the GOP had a grand total of 50, and then 51, Senators. The slimmest margin possible.


And on the accomplishments of the Bush Administration's actions of ramming things through that have transformed America for probably over a generation into something authoritarian and corporate in nature, he wrote

And look at what George Bush was able to accomplish in the Congress with fewer Senators than the Democrats have today:

- John Ashcroft nomination
- Iraq war resolution
- Repeated Iraq funding resolutions
- 2001 & 2003 tax cuts
- Patriot Act
- Alito
- John Roberts
- Medicare Part D


And of course there is the growing realization that the Obama administration is not a progressive administration from its DOJ defending Constitutional crimes of the Bush administration to its Wall Street economic team. This is producing a severe splintering away of the voters that have brought the Democratic Party its election victories in Congress since 2006 and the Presidency in 2008 and sets up what could be a base voter rebellion going forward. As Jane Hamsher put it concerning the http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/17/msnbcs-dylan-ratigan-says-it-for-me/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CampaignSilo+%28Jane+Hamsher+Campaign+Silo%29&utm_content=Twitter">Senate Health Care Bill, "I’ll add that whether they vote for it or not, it’ll be a bloodbath for anyone with a “D” next to their name in 2010 if it passes."

Of course all this is probably confusing to many Americans, especially the Palin Teabag base and regular Fox viewers who think they are locked in a battle against either "liberalism" or the fantasy "Marxist Leninism". Of course they will say what is needed is more tax cuts, more deregulation, less civil liberties, more war spending, and all the things that have led us to this point. It's a pretty pitiful of a situation we find ourselves in.


with http://americancommentary.wordpress.com/">Jane Hamsher and Thom Hartmann video

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:08 AM
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1. k&r for the truth, however depressing. n/t

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:16 AM
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3. I hope I'm wrong. It would be nice if we could somehow pressure the Senate
in this health care debate to come up with a better bill. Maybe at this point, it's Dean's job to rally that pressure.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:20 AM
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6. It's unlikely that any substantive changes can be made at this point.
Now, the only real question is, "Up or down?"

I vote down, but, obviously, I don't get to vote.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:52 AM
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15. It simply is not accurate to say we have a Democratic majority, especially in regards to the Senate
Yes, technically because the two independents in the Senate stand with Democrats, the Democrats are the majority party, but we all know that is in name only

The truth is, Democrats accept everyone, into the party. It would be very difficult for Democrats to get a majority in Congress today without that "big tent". Republicans, don't have to. The reason why is because of Nixon's Southern Strategy, where it was observed that whoever controls the South, controls the Congress and the White House. Nixon used racism and division to accomplish those goals, after Johnson passed the Civil Rights act in the sixties.

The other event that had the most negative effect for the Democrats was the repeal of the fairness doctrine, and the telecommunication act. What happened was a media was transformed from one which was independent, to one that was heavenly influenced by corporations with a political agenda. This was a disaster for the Democrats. When you have right wing radio in this country controlling 95% of the content, there is a real problem with equal time.

Dynamics started to change for the Democrats when they started to adopt Dean's fifty state strategy, and that strategy, along with the republican's trashing of the financial system, and economy, starting with reagan's attack against unions, deregulation, and off-shoring of jobs, opened the door to where we are today.

The belief that if the HCR act becomes law it will doom the Democrats for years is not necessarily valid. A lot can happen in a year, and between now and 2014 when it fully takes affect.

For one thing, if the bill becomes law, it can and will be amended, not only to make it better, but I believe to add either a public option, or single payer

I believe the main thing that will determine the 2010 and 2012 election will be the economy. If people start getting employed significantly, and the economy improves, the Democrats will win. If that doesn't happen, it is a flip of a coin.

After the eight years of bush and the republicans, it is far from a guarantee that they will win




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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:07 AM
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20. I think the party needs to stand for something other than a big tent.
The Republicans were soundly rejected in the last two elections. Now people are looking to how we are different and how it could positively affect their lives and I think that is where we are making the mistakes.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:15 AM
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22. Of course you are right, but I don't think that is how either party will play the game, at least
until the voters get their act together

The republicans were soundly rejected because they effectively trashed the economy, and a lot of jobs were lost, much more than under clinton, though his NAFTA programs helped set the foundation, but those were republican programs that he embraced. The republicans were also defeated because people lost their jobs, their savings, and their homes




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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:37 AM
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39. Same Here (nt)
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:16 AM
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2. i'm a little more optimistic.
it will take longer than that for people to forget how much the policies of neoconservatives didn't work. i still don't see many people going around proudly claiming their republicanism like in the early 2000s.

the President's party usually loses some seats in the first midterm. but enough to change control of the house or senate? my guess is no.

however, Democrats need to start early with a well planned, well themed, and well communicated campaign. pubs had "contract with America" in '94. ours should be "A New Way Forward" or something similar, reminding people that they don't want a return to the failed policies of the previous administration.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:18 AM
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5. I like your optimism. But I'm a little afraid at this point.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:00 AM
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18. What control?
The OP plainly points out that the Democrats don't control the Senate now. Harry Reid has a limp grasp on a pile of mush, and any one Senator who throws a fit is immediately The Decider.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:02 PM
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33. The Democrats only need to change their campaign slogans?
What?
"Hope & Change" doesn't work anymore?

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:46 AM
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36. Latest polling suggests otherwise
More Americans are saying they'd pick a Republican over a Democrat

Dodd is falling further behind
Reid appears to be toast
A pick up in NH seems less likely
It's looking doubtful in Ohio
Colorado looks like it is swinging back to the Red column in the Senate as well
Death by a 1000 cuts

Corrupt, Evil and Competent will trump weak, vacillating and incompetent almost every time

What is most irksome is that the Dems in the Senate and the media will blame the liberals/progressives for the failures rather than the tone-deaf performance of the Senate and the White House
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:17 AM
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4. Hell yea there will be a bloodbath
The majority of Americans don't support the bill in its current form.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:24 AM
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7. the same policies; a little more war, a little more privatization, a little more
defunding of the new deal, a little more globalization,,,

each side kicks the can a little further down the road while pretending to fight with the other...

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:28 AM
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8. k & r..
The Paul Craig Roberts piece is especially worth reading in its entirety. It was posted on DU last week, but unrecced into oblivion, probably due to the provocative title.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:52 AM
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16. I included it so as to show it isn't just "liberals" that recognize the problem.
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 10:23 AM by mmonk
Of course, I did not include it to present his world view.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:31 AM
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9. Democrats have arout 11 retiring from congress in 2010, but the GOP has about 12
so far. I am thinking that by election time most of this mess will have been forgotten and there will be some actual merit found in the health care reform bill that finally becomes law. Ane NO REPUBLICANS will have voted for any of it. The GOP stopped participating in governing despite Obama's fixation for bipartisanship, and I think it will work against them in '10 and moreso in '12. Obama Democrats will get more support from the "moderate" republican and center Democrats and not too much from the Democratic left, but the middle is where the numbers are, and most leftists don't vote much anyway, which is why the party disregards us.
Dems will stay even in '10, maybe even pick up a few seats.

mark
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:31 AM
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10. Oh, there will certainly be an uprising, a lot of incumbents
will be saying goodbye, but one reminder, there had better be oversight and certifications on those machines.

Does anyone honestly believe that our vote is off limits to those who've looted this nation? The insiders are their route to changing laws and, giving them cover, and they've aligned themselves well, reaping a sweet downfall of loot. So much so that this great recession, is actually their great deception.

The USA has been bought and paid for, mind the voting precincts, the machines & be audit ready, the exit polls never lied, unlike those who have left office and the sell-outs.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:02 AM
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19. If the economy is doing well and people are working, whoever is in power will win
If not, then it is a flip of the coin
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:34 AM
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11. It'll be interesting to watch the weekly Daily Kos poll on Congress
"Would you like to see more Democrats or Republicans elected to Congress in 2010?"

http://www.pollingreport.com/2010.htm

Looking at the figures (which go back to May, there), there seem to have been 2 movements: Democrats dropped from abour 42% to 36% at the beginning of August; and during November, Republicnas increased from about 28% to 33%. Trends on a graph here: http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

So something pissed off some potential Democratic voters 4 or 5 months ago; and the Republicans have recently picked up some voters from somehere. The last poll was from the 14th to 17th, so wouldn't have had many reactions to the Lieberman veto and Democratic fold in it. I don't know if there'll be a poll in the coming week, what with Christmas and all.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:24 AM
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24. Yes and that is very depressing.
The Republicans are no solution.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:35 AM
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12. Oh, And Don't Forget the Coming Census
And the redrawing of district lines.

Thanks so much for fucking us all over, Rahm.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:15 AM
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21. Does it matter? There's going to be a mass exodus over to
Independent status, there's no joy in claiming either party these days.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:46 AM
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41. I moved in July & haven't yet registered in my new town. Making a point today of registering Indy
and I have a fairly recent solicitation from the DSCC I'm mailing back today, informing them in Sharpie black letters in no uncertain terms, some rather vulgar even, why they are nothing but shit, why they can get their "contributions" from the same place they always get them, and why I'm no longer a registered democrat.
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pissedoff01 Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:41 AM
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13. Performance after election has consequences
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Jimdish25 Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:50 AM
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14. The leadership thinks they won the last 2 cycles because....
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 09:51 AM by Jimdish25
....of their brilliant strategy of capitulation, running to the middle and ignoring the breaking of laws in favor of "Happy Talk". Nancy Pelosi was so happy to be the majority leader she failed to realize that she was only there because:

1. The public was sick of war and sick of Bush and Cheney.

2. People were finally hurting from the upside-down economic policy of Bush.

3. A dedicated group of progressive worked our asses off, registered millions of new voters and got out the vote for all Democrats.

In Connecticut we had to fight the Clintons, Boxers and others in the power structure who walked the streets hand-in-hand with Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont. We overcame that in the primary but the damage was done because he was seen as a legitimate Democrat and received a percentage of the Democratic vote to go along with 70% or more of the Republican vote. That's the same Joe Lieberman that Harry Reid needed to keep his seat warm as majority leader and has been bending over for ever since.

So now it's fun to discredit progressives because we stand for something. Let me tell you it's coming to and end for them soon. I'm happy we drove new voters out in CT and got Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy elected even though the hacks undermined Ned Lamont. But now I'm tired of voting for the lesser evil. I'll vote for the progressive candidates but not the sellouts. And that includes President Obama who's done nothing to make the prior administration accountable, botched the financial rescue, and now botched health-care. No more.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:00 AM
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17. It was the people of Connecticut who gave us lieberman, not clinton or boxer
it was a three way race. In 2008 we almost lost Minnesota because of a three way race

We should all vote our conscious, but the fact is, it will be the moderates and independents, at least today, who will determine the white house. Local and state elections are usually influenced by issues unique to that state, however, this time, I believe the election at all levels will be determined by the economy in 2010 and 2012.

If the economy starts to come back and people are working significantly, the Democrats will win.

The economy, barring a major war, trumps everything

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:26 AM
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25. The two continuous wars we are in are not major?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:32 AM
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27. Of course they are, but they are not "new" wars, and because of the lack of media
coverage of those wars, most people in this country ignore them. It will be the economy

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:34 AM
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28. It's all part of the same parcel, you can't have deep pockets
for war and then think the economy can improve. There'll be a steady decline in everything, there already is.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:41 AM
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29. we will see /nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:07 PM
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35. As per Press the Meat today, Obama support among independents
...had DROPPED form 60% to 40% in the last few months.

Independents voted for Obama/Democrats because they wanted "CHANGE".
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:24 AM
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23. The problem is making people believe that there's
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 10:25 AM by mother earth
any worth to voting in a Dem in in 2010. I'm telling you, as much as I think of myself as liberal/progressive, there's going to be major distrust (I'm distrustful & I've been a dem my entire life) and a mass exodus to Independent status where anything could happen. Maybe that's a good thing, because everything is so flipping calculated & corporate sponsored, that a good candidate backed by the people never stands a chance, if they did, we wouldn't be in this awful mess.

You and so many others, young and old worked their butts off for Obama.
Everyone went with the young guy who was going to prove that we were color blind, that we could again have someone in the WH who actually stood for something, he told us everything we wanted to hear, he made us believe. Only thing is, then he got in the WH, smiled pretty while taking his Nobel, and proceeds to give us another Bush/Cheney war term.

The inheritance of the last administration excuse was valid up to a point, that point has ended.
We are being fleeced by a new set of faces, some old faces, but we are in the same place as a nation that we were, even worst because now we KNOW how screwed we are.

Campaign financing and reform, along with election reform was never a priority, but we knew it then & we know it now, that if we don't have that, we have nothing. We are like hamsters running the wheel.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:05 PM
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34. Spot on. nt
:applause:
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:31 AM
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26. Hmm
Dunno how much we could expect, a lot of the gains in 06 and 08 were blue dogs in conservative areas weren't they?

And Obama ran a centrist campaign to pull in all the independents for an easy win.

If there is going to be a rebellion in my mind it will be over economy and jobs. Incumbents are always the natural target of the electorate in reelection campaigns if the economy is depressed and unemployment is high.

Voting against incumbents when the economy is bad and unemployment is high is going to be the problem. And what, 4 years into a democratic congress, 2 years into a Obama's term, blaming it on someone else isn't going to fly with a lot of people regardless of the truth.

We need jobs and a recovering economy and we need it pretty quick.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:03 AM
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30. Jobs would be a big help. But unless the banking interests lend
to mainstreet, the jobs will have to come from some Keynesian priniciples such as more appropriations for infrastructure or alternative energy entrepreneurship with government help. The administration nor the leadership seem too cozy to that idea. As someone who's state flipped from red to blue in the Presidential election, it wasn't because Democrats were similar to Republicans in policy but it was from from people looking for a change in direction. Democrats in NC aren't that different from Democrats elsewhere. The independents were disgusted with Bush Administration policies as well. We seem to be blowing our chances.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:26 AM
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31. I don't have much choice but to vote "D" in 2010 in MI.
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 11:31 AM by roamer65
No senators on the ballot, my rep is a hard core liberal who supports national single payor "socialized" medicine...and we need to keep a pukebag Rethug out of the governor's mansion.

Pretty sad country when you vote for one party, just to keep another out of power.

2012 will be a completely different ballgame.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:36 AM
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32. Yes, we must all do what we can do.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:11 AM
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37. It's obvious obama and the 50 neo-libs in the senate
are getting EXACTLY what they want and they "want" what they're told to want by the corporations and the mic. This country is a sick joke and the sooner we go bankrupt and break up into smaller countries the better.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:36 AM
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38. Kicked and recommended! N/T
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:41 AM
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40. brilliant synthesis. wish I could rec multiple times
but it is sooo depressing at the same time ... :(
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:19 AM
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42. Welcome to fascism in America!!! When did it arrive? Oh, probably...............
................sometime around 1984 as Orwell predicted. Well we now have the "lesser of two evils" and how does it feel? I believe at this point we are fucked and the US is a modern fascist state. I am 63 yo now and don't have a hell of a lot of years to suffer through this, but people 40 or younger are totally fucked. The only advice I can give is to keep on fighting, but you will be fighting against a tsunami and more than likely will not win. What's the alternative at this point? I honestly don't fucking know. Obama has proven himself a corporatist and all the "progressive" legislation we all had hopes for at this point is GONE. EFCA, DOMA, DADT, Climate bill, none of these will pass AND if any do, they will look like the bank "reforms" or what will eventually be the healthcare "reform". Maybe some of the Teabaggers got it right saying Obama is a Fascist, because if you take the definition of Fascism as the combining of corporate & state control, well we have arrived BIG TIME. I have never been this politically depressed in my entire life. At this point, I truly don't have an opinion and surely not an answer.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:55 PM
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43. It is simple really. The elected Democratic contingent is ineffective in delivering
on the Democratic Platform. The fault isn't in the platform, it is in the people we voted in to deliver it. We must change those people!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:51 PM
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45. k&r
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:06 PM
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46. John Avarosis's quotes are stinging. Bush got a lot of his legislation through with only 50-51
republican senators. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi don't possess the toughness in leadership needed to really make things happen.
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