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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:08 PM
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The Insidious Myth Of The Progressive “Bill Killers”
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 12:35 PM by Hissyspit
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The Insidious Myth Of The Progressive “Bill Killers”

By: Jon Walker Sunday December 20, 2009 5:25 am
 
There is a very insidious myth right now that there is a large group of progressive leaders who want to “kill” health care reform in its entirety. While there might be some progressive leaders out there who have advocated for this position, I have yet to hear from them. What I have heard from people like Howard Dean, Markos Moulitsas, Keith Olbermann, Jane Hamsher, etc… is that they simply want to kill the current version of the Senate bill. None of them, to my knowledge, have advocated ending all efforts to pass a health care reform bill. I believe each and every one of them have advocated for simply passing a different bill through different means. Do not heed those who are working to create a false dynamic where the only two options are passing this horrible Senate bill or passing nothing at all. The idea that there is a large group of progressive leaders trying to kill health care reform is a red herring.

The other great myth is that if this current Senate bill, thoroughly compromised to get 60 votes, does not become law it will be impossible for any health care reform to pass during this Congress. President Obama made sure to include instructions to pass health care reform using reconciliation in the budget for a reason. It is still completely possible to pass an arguably better bill with only a simple majority in the Senate using reconciliation. Progressive activists are demanding to “kill this particular Senate bill” because they know Democrats will not walk away from health care reform empty handed. If need be, they will use reconciliation. While Senator Harry Reid and Barack Obama for some reason think it is preferable to let Senators Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and Blanche Lincoln gut health care reform; if they are forced to, they will use a special procedure that completely cuts these conservadems out of the debate.

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  1. Try to pass a version of the House bill using reconciliation. Take provisions removed by the Byrd rule and pass them by attaching them whole or piecemeal to the next few big defense and/or agricultural appropriations bills.
  2. Use reconciliation to pass a bill with only Byrd-rule proof provisions. This would include an expansion of Medicaid, expansion of CHIP, early Medicare buy-in, public option, possibly employer mandate, etc…
  3. Pass the bill with no individual mandate for right now. Let progressives hold the individual mandate hostage until some point between now and 2015 (when the individual mandate goes into effect), and they will trade it in exchange for better reforms. There is zero need to have the individual mandate just sitting on the books unused for the next few years.
  4. Force Harry Reid to use the “nuclear option” like former Senator Bill Frist threatened to do.

I will admit number four is a long shot (although in reality it is the simplest and best solution), but the first three should be completely doable. All the progressive leaders I know who are against this particular Senate bill have advocated for similar strategies to produce a better reform package.

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The argument is not between people who say pass this imperfect bill and uncompromising, ideological, progressive straw men saying “kill all health care reform because we are unhappy.” The argument is really between some who say we should cheer for our representatives in Washington whenever they pass some terrible of pile of broken promises and others who are demanding that our elected officials use every tool at their disposal to fulfill the promises they made. Progressive leaders are not upset that the reform is imperfect. They are angry because our elected officials have the ability to fulfill their promises to pass a much better reform package but refuse to use hardball tactics to live up to their promises. Killing this current Senate bill is not an act of progressive nihilism; it is the first step in a strategy to force our members of the Senate to admit they can, in fact, pass a more progressive bill.

Until progressives start demanding Democrats in Congress serve us something better than BS sandwiches that will be the only thing we ever get to eat. Those on the “left” who say we should push for the passage of this terrible Senate bill because it is “the best we can get” are lying to you. By being enablers of this myth that Democrats can’t do better, they are, in fact, fighting against long term progressive change.

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:44 PM
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1. When you batter down a door, it doesn't usually give way on first thrust.
Back up and have another run at it.

And don't try to fix everything in one humongous bill.
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:52 PM
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5. True, but also when you batter down a door it's best to not use a pillow...
Or care too much about the condition of the door afterwards.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:02 PM
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2. Bravo! Great post! nt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:23 PM
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3. K & R.
Don't let the terrible be the enemy of the half-way palatable.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:28 PM
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4. PAss the POS and wrangle extended medicare through
reconciliation.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 02:43 PM
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6. From what I've read, the others on the left that want this bill killed
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 02:44 PM by Edweird
because it's a horrible piece of shit legislation. I know I want the Canadian model. I would take to the streets for that. A decent public option (not some $400/mo medicare buy in bullshit) would be a good first start. It's not because we are mean people and don't want others to helped. On the contrary, it's because we see what a travesty this really is and how it's not really going to help anyone but the republicans get elected in a land slide. Well, that and make insurance execs even richer. It's not 'help' when you end up worse off than when you started.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:05 PM
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7. Gonna kick this. nt
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