Has anyone heard that the House bill might be substituted for the Senate bill?

[Gregorian]

I was just reading a thread over at Kos, and ran into this interesting question.

The poster said "David Waldman mentioned it earlier today... this is known as a Substitute Amendment... it is voted on between the Manager's Amendment (the cloture vote at 1:00 AM Monday morning) and the Underlying bill, which is the final vote(s) before the bill leaves the Senate. Voting to pass the Substitute Amendment doesn't replace the Senate bill, which would be nice, it just moves the process along."


I thought the House was done unless there was reconciliation. So at this point all I can do is watch and ask silly questions.

[BzaDem]

1. No, that is not true. The substitute amendment IS the Senate bill, not the House bill.

Basically, the current bill is some random bill from the house relating to a home-buyer tax credit. This is a shell bill, and it has to be done this way because of a constitutional technicality.

The substitute amendment says, replace this entire shell homebuyer tax credit bill with the SENATE healthcare bill.

And the manager's amendment is an amendment to the substitute amendment (that is, the Senate healthcare bill).

The house healthcare bill has no chance of passing.

[Gregorian]

4. Thanks.

You are on your game! Alright.

I was worried that there was yet another tier of complexity in bill passage that I was unaware of. There probably is. But this isn't it.

[eleny]

2. Whatever can happen - the Stupak amendment has to go

[Gregorian]

5. I saw a good comment today. They can pass it,

but if they do so all males in the Senate must have vasectomies. :)

[cutlassmama]

8. that would be acceptable. n/t

[virgogal]

3. I am so at sea about healthcare that I've tuned out. I'll just

wait for the final outcome and hope I can understand it.

I've never felt so stupid or helpless about anything in my life.

[secondwind]

6. there's more good than bad in it....and we can always come back and tweak it!

[virgogal]

7. I certainly hope so---I have a son that is uninsured. What a mess.

[aaronbav]

10. Yeah - Just like with NAFTA, Patriot Act - errrrrr -oooops

Oh well - What the FUck ... we are just so totally FUCKED...

It will NEVER be revisited - except to make it worse. You entrench PRIVATE FOR PROFIT CORPORATIONs and give them billions and billions of MORE $$$$$$ - and taxpayer subsidies, and you are "insuring" that nothing WILL be done.

THe DemWhores have gone down the wrong path on this and they should CAN an dWILL pay a price for this arrogant bastards! We and our children and their children will continus to PAY to ENRICH the wealthiest among us, all the while we are just STRUGGLING day by day to GET by.

The DEMS have committed an IMMORAL injustice against Poor and working people by making sure that the billionaires and FAT cats are WELL protected - Fuck it - Just Fuck it all

[Goldstein1984]

9. I've read that Senate Dems have warned the House not to

mess with their bill in committee.

(I'm guessing that you could see lobbyist's mouthes moving when the Senators were speaking. But they do a very good job of hiding the strings.)