Check-in if you agree that we have been sold out again to corporate America

[Fire1sKid]

WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT ONCE AGAIN TO CORPORATE AMERICA!CHECK IN IF YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS NOT HC REFORM AT ALL AS WELL!
:argh:

[chandler2]

1. The only thing is, this isn't news. It's how things have always been. nt

[wtbymark]

5. maybe in your lifetime

It used to be the other way around

[TorchTheWitch]

32. not always

That's part of what makes it so terrible.

[immune]

54. How its always been?

Yep, that's why they wrote the constitution behind closed doors, without input from the people and put themselves in charge of commerce. Intent.

[maxsolomon]

92. the constitution WAS written by the economic elite of the country

and it enshrines their interests despite the fine words about "general welfare".

your post is confusing. was it sarcasm?

[sabrina 1]

65. Isn't that what 'change' was supposed to be about?

[emilyg]

71. We were promised change.

[clear eye]

123. Not so. Pres. Lyndon Johnson was able to get a completely public Medicare passed.

It's not an illusion--mega-corporations have gotten more politically powerful and are warping the system more than in the past. The public was enraged about the bank bailout and wanted serious action to punish those who created the mess, and new rules to prevent it from happening again before handing out any money. There were little spontaneous street corner demonstrations all over the country. At least in the couple of decades after WW II, Congress would have listened, held hearings, given us some of what we wanted, and the worst banksters wouldn't be allowed to continue in charge of ruined banks. A token bank president might even been picked to go to jail.

This time it was just railroaded through and the party that stood for change went on to put the bad actors in postions of highest power in gov't.

Maybe it has to do w/ the phony e-voting machines, or the new atmosphere of a constant on-going military emergency that allows them to greet peaceful demonstrators w/ nightmare weaponry that won't kill you but could truly maim you, or maybe the utter compliance of the monopolized news media to the corporate agenda that doesn't report on any of this stuff, but it sure looks like they're not afraid of us voting them out of office.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the period during which most of the protections for the middle class were passed coincided w/ the existence of the "Fairness Doctrine". That was an FCC regulation which said that TV and radio had to offer equal time for a community member to rebut if it aired a political opinion. A Fox News channel or dedicated right- or left- wing talk radio station didn't and couldn't have existed then. People actually had to listen to each other--by law.

During those times, Dick Cheney would have been put behind bars for threatening Congress w/ martial law if they didn't approve the bailout, b/c the press would have reported it and explained to the public why such an action was a serious threat to democracy.

We oldsters are a little bewildered as to how a trickle of things going in the wrong direction under Reagan, got us all the way here in ~30 brief years. We sure didn't do it, and we thought we were paying attention to the actions of "the establishment". Gen-X and some of the unions even tried to roll back the hold the multi-nationals had on gov't by opposing NAFTA and similar trade agreements.

We see the world you're inheriting and wish we had some good advice to offer as to how to reverse this mess, and all we can say is, "Good luck", and mean it.

[lapfog_1]

2. This time on a silver platter. Oh wait, that was last time (bank bailouts)

This time on a diamond encrusted gold platter.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!11

[ixion]

4. yep, once again

:argh:

[Fire1sKid]

13. Welcome to capitalism.....

Where everything and every one is for sale.This is a goddamn shame.I know it hurts man.

[jonnyblitz]

6. it's what i expect.

[libertyvalence]

7. VAMPIRES Q&A, YES SOLD OUT

VAMPIRE Q&A
Q. Who can really explain Vampires?
A. There are Vampire stories from old Europe. There are Vampire movies from the new world, There are Vampire books, Vampire series, people that dress like Vampires. That should help.
Q. How to explain this in a uniquely American way?
A. Well, there's Papa Bear, Mama Bear and Baby Bear and the Odd Couple, they are all on the Supreme Court. They dress like Vampires and they only come out at night so, they'll explain this because they think like Vampires.
Q. This is America, we can solve any problem with a little fantasy, right?
A. Yes. Not to worry. They are conservatives on the Court, so this is easy; take a realistic approach to idealism, everything will be clear that way.1.) Declare that blood is really money 2.) Declare that money is really speech and since speech is really votes, that should solve all of our problems by voting for what we want.
Q. America can't have any problems, right?
A. No, because money is the life blood of America so, we can solve all of our problems with money .
Q. What do we do about cynicism? How can you realistically have idealism
when nothing really lives up to the ideals of The Three Bears and the Odd Couple?
A. Realistically, you have to be cynical, that way, everything works in a uniquely
American way. Right wing Geniuses call that pragmatism.
Q. How do we feed American Vampires?
A. We'll have wars! We'll train people to kill, our Vampires will make money,
problem solved. In order to feed the American Vampires, there are six billion
people in the world to make war on that aren't Americans, so we just turn our Vampires loose on them. No American is going to miss foreigners. Say we kill 30 regular people to one of their Vampires, that seems fair.
Q. Not so fast. There are Vampires that live only off American blood, I mean
money. What about them?
A. Let them take care of sick people, sick people are going to die anyway,
Vampires won’t miss them. Say, our sick people die, that can generate a lot
of money, even after the end, even if they kill only one at a time.
Q. What about the really pure Vampires. The ones who need direct infusions of money and can’t wait to earn it dishonestly?
A. Let them run the banks, that way they can drink right from the spigot.
Q. What about sister Sarah. Isn’t she the purest of the pure?
A. She’s a comer but she doesn’t have critical mass yet and it’s not likely, she’s too pure.
Q. If a majority of people really don't want to do it that way anymore,
then the thing to do is to solve it the American way and elect someone else
to change the system. Right?
A. A majority of people is not a majority of votes. This is how democracy works, according to the Supreme Court.
Q. But if that elected person is convinced that Americans can't live
without cynicism, then can that person make cynical decisions without
consulting the people?
A. Yes, unless they have money.
Q. Can we go on forever this way?
A. Yes, but people who aren't Vampires and aren't cynics are going to spoil it.

[Individualist]

8. No doubt about it.

[Goldstein1984]

9. It's the American Way

[laughingliberal]

10. Ah, a sellout which makes former sellouts look mild nt

[DJ13]

11. Yep, rode hard and put away wet

[kestrel91316]

12. HCR has not been passed yet. I will reserve judgement until it has.

Are you aware that the bill must go through reconciliation and then be passed by both the House and the Senate, and then be signed into law by President Obama??

[Fire1sKid]

16. I am very aware of this....

but I am also aware of this little thing we like to call reality.Lets take a second here to be honest with ourselves.Do you really think that after all the money that HC lobbyists have poured into that giant hill we call D.C. that we are actually gonna get "real" HC reform?Welcome to America where the almighty dollar does more than any Howard Dean or Harry Reid could do in a life time.It breaks my heart to admit it but Im tired of shoving this goddamn blue pill down my throat every time I turn on the news.

[jtrockville]

14. Subsidies

I don't mind if my tax dollars go toward helping people less fortunate than me get health CARE. In fact, this is why I support SINGLE PAYER - everybody in, nobody out.

I DO mind if my tax dollars go toward helping an INSURANCE company executive pad his pockets, in the hopes that he might grant a smidgeon of health care to someone in need (as long as the person in need can cough up the copay). This is just wrong.

[begin_within]

15. We have been sold out, and we weren't even part of the negotiations.

Reminds me of the days of slavery.

[Fire1sKid]

18. THANK YOU!!!!!

[Catshrink]

17. Agreed. Next up: public education.

Arne is doing his best to privatize education.

[Fire1sKid]

23. He absolutely is...

In fact it is already started here in Detroit.There are talks of state legislation being passed that says Michigan teachers do not have to be certified any longer to teach in this state.Sound familiar?What other known institution does not require teachers to be certified?YOU GUESSED IT!CHARTER SCHOOLS!

[Catshrink]

36. Anyone can teach

we've all been to school so we all know how to teach, right?

[Fire1sKid]

39. LOL

SUUUUUUURRRRRREEEEEE!Cause who really needs certification and degrees in petty educational psychology and other degrees that better qualify teachers to better educate the younger generations of this nation?:sarcasm:

[wolfgangmo]

94. And who actually needs to go to medical school to be a doc?

I mean honestly, why don't we just let anyone practice medicine like an insurance company clerk ... oh wait.

[bertman]

108. That was a REAL funny, wolfgangmo.

:rofl: :rofl:

[donco6]

122. And no one even cares anymore

Public schools are being privatized at an exponential rate and no one even notices

[Larkspur]

19. That's what happens when Obama and the New Democrats sleep with corporate America

[Stinky The Clown]

20. HI there! Welcome to the DU!

[Fire1sKid]

24. Thanks Stinky

I like your name lol!

[ThatsMyBarack]

21. Sad but true

[mmonk]

22. We're not as profitable. It will take people of integrity to fix things.

Those not seeking profit or favor.

[Blasphemer]

25. It's crystal clear & their attempts to quiet dissent just underscore that fact... nt

[FiveGoodMen]

26. Completely, shamelessly, ruthlessly.

[DebbieCDC]

27. The once and future sellout

We always have been sold out

Always will be

K&R

[Kansas Wyatt]

28. The Democratic Party has just reaffirmed...

The Republican Party's merger of the U.S. Government with Corporate America a few years back.

Welcome to your CORPORATE GOVERNMENT STORE!

[90-percent]

29. Creeping Corporatism

It wasn't always this bad.

Well, maybe it was back in the Victorian age?

Corporate Fascism really took off in the Reagan years and we're enjoying the culmination of that failed thinking.

Failed only in the sense that a democracy should serve it's citizens. We've got a mutated hybrid democracy that seems to work only to benefit big corporations, at the expense of the average citizen.

-90% jimmy

[libertyvalence]

30. PISSED OFF AT WHO?

12/21/09
I'd like to let myself get pissed off but it is not clear who to get
pissed off at. Obama got in, he played the political game. I thought that the
rhetoric of change was more important than the equivocating statements he
made for example; on Afghanistan. How horrible has that turned out? I thought
he would seek support from his base, unh uh. He went to the power brokers
for a safe place to hide (for now). The HCR bill is a dissappointment, get
pissed off, right?
I hope he's a fast learner. What the hell is he going to say to us in
2012? "I'm going to dump Hillary, Bill Gates, Geitner and Rahm"? That would
get my attention, depending on his new picks. That would tell the story if he
is ready to govern and to lead. It doesn't look that way right now. So far,
the cost of that education, like any education is steep.
FDR knew what not to do because he had governed New York State, a
conservative state, and came from the class that had caused the depression. He
didn't necessarily know what to do. He tried a lot of things, some worked and
some didn't. What did Obama come from? What is in it for him to sell out?
We can fulminate all we want but none of us can predict the future
and it is important for progressives to learn how to wait, see realty (even if
it looks like shit) and choose your battles and alliances as they present
themselves. There is more at stake than health care. This bill is a pile of
crap but the progressive movement is real and we can't let that become a pile
of crap. Getting pissed off only leads to falling for conservative booby
traps.
When dad let me use the car, there were strings attached. It's the
same now with Obama. He is cautious and careful, even timid by nature, just
like dad. That doesn't make him a conservative. Almost everybody is the same
way, Republicans want people to believe that it means people, in general,
are conservative politically. Not so.
Obama made deals behind our backs. Just like dad. Obama is winging
it. Just like dad. We thought that Obama knew what he was doing and we thought
that dad knew what he was doing. Not so, well, we're on to him now.
Getting mad at dad was because I thought I had a right to, that my
anger was justified and that he had to respond. Guess what kids, de ja vu all
over again.
It's not like we don't know what to look for. This is a slow fight,
there isn't an Ali rope-a-dope to spot. If he has gone over to the dark side,
then he's in the place that he belongs but if he hasn't gone over, he in a
dangerous place. That's not politics, that's a war with the conservatives
who have been itching to re-establish feudalism since the end of
reconstruction.
Yes, these are people. Stupid, ignorant, crippled of heart and soul,
pig shit stubborn and incapable of honest self-examination. Does that help
bubbe? I realize that I’m being too generous, but this is the holiday season.
You have to be smart with these assholes. I trust you to figure this
out as it unfolds. Right now, the fight for social justice is being played
out in mock politics but you ain't seen nasty yet.
Only the tea baggers know who they're pissed at with absolute certainty
and righteous indignation, subsidized by the health insurance companies
through front organizations. Real grassroots? NOT. When the subsidies stop and
they have to spend their own money for bus trips and food, how are they
going to pay for ammo also?
If watching them has any lesson to hold, it is that their commitments
are only as thick as their wallets and not to imitate them in any way.
That's my take.
Yes, these are people. Stupid, ignorant, crippled of heart and soul, 
pig shit stubborn and incapable of honest self-examination. Does that help 
bubbe? I realize that I’m being too generous, but this is the holiday season. 
Right now, the fight for social justice is being played 
out in mock politics but you ain't seen nasty yet. Conservatives have been itching to re-establish feudalism since the end of reconstruction.

[Fire1sKid]

33. I know exactly who Im pissed at

Im pissed at these conservadems and republicans in Congress for putting a price tag on themselves as well as the American people.

[freddie mertz]

79. Don't forget the number one culprit.

President Rahm Emmanuel.

[libertyvalence]

31. VAMPIRE NATION

VAMPIRE Q&A
Q. Who can really explain Vampires?
A. There are Vampire stories from old Europe. There are Vampire movies from the new world, There are Vampire books, Vampire series, people that dress like Vampires. That should help.
Q. How to explain this in a uniquely American way?
A. Well, there's Papa Bear, Mama Bear and Baby Bear and the Odd Couple, they are all on the Supreme Court. They dress like Vampires and they only come out at night so, they'll explain this because they think like Vampires.
Q. This is America, we can solve any problem with a little fantasy, right?
A. Yes. Not to worry. They are conservatives on the Court, so this is easy; take a realistic approach to idealism, everything will be clear that way.1.) Declare that blood is really money 2.) Declare that money is really speech and since speech is really votes, that should solve all of our problems by voting for what we want.
Q. America can't have any problems, right?
A. No, because money is the life blood of America so, we can solve all of our problems with money .
Q. What do we do about cynicism? How can you realistically have idealism
when nothing really lives up to the ideals of The Three Bears and the Odd Couple?
A. Realistically, you have to be cynical, that way, everything works in a uniquely
American way. Right wing Geniuses call that pragmatism.
Q. How do we feed American Vampires?
A. We'll have wars! We'll train people to kill, our Vampires will make money,
problem solved. In order to feed the American Vampires, there are six billion
people in the world to make war on that aren't Americans, so we just turn our Vampires loose on them. No American is going to miss foreigners. Say we kill 30 regular people to one of their Vampires, that seems fair.
Q. Not so fast. There are Vampires that live only off American blood, I mean
money. What about them?
A. Let them take care of sick people, sick people are going to die anyway,
Vampires won’t miss them. Say, our sick people die, that can generate a lot
of money, even after the end, even if they kill only one at a time.
Q. What about the really pure Vampires. The ones who need direct infusions of money and can’t wait to earn it dishonestly?
A. Let them run the banks, that way they can drink right from the spigot.
Q. What about sister Sarah. Isn’t she the purest of the pure?
A. She’s a comer but she doesn’t have critical mass yet and it’s not likely, she’s too pure.
Q. If a majority of people really don't want to do it that way anymore,
then the thing to do is to solve it the American way and elect someone else
to change the system. Right?
A. A majority of people is not a majority of votes. This is how democracy works, according to the Supreme Court.
Q. But if that elected person is convinced that Americans can't live
without cynicism, then can that person make cynical decisions without
consulting the people?
A. Yes, unless they have money.
Q. Can we go on forever this way?
A. Yes, but people who aren't Vampires and aren't cynics are going to spoil it.

[bvar22]

34. Sold Out....Again.

Anyone remember THIS "Democratic Party"?

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.---FDR's Economic Bill of Rights

Where has THAT "Democratic Party" gone? :cry:

[Fire1sKid]

37. I feel your pain

The party has been purchased by power.Purchased by corporate fat-cats that care about their wallet more than the people that work for them every day.Can something be done about this?YES!We can collectively stand up and say we are not going to stand for this any longer.We have to take a stand as the flower children of the 60's and 70's did.It is time to turn off the reality tv,the ipods,and blackberrys and turn back on political activism.I want to be able to children that I stood for something other than myself and the rest of my generation should want the same but unfortunately they dont.This can be changed!It starts with us!It starts with us being informative for not just ourselves but for the rest of the American people so we can educate them about the information that we receive.If it is one thing that I learned from Harvey Milk it is the fact that it starts with just one taking a stand and saying ENOUGH!If John Locke took a stand against coporate sovereignty in 1690 when he wrote Two Treatises of Government (which openely criticized perpetual corporate sovereignty) then it can be done again,but this time lets not just start with one,lets start with us Dems collectively.The birthers and baggers only talked about a revolution.LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

[DKRC]

111. Where has THAT "Democratic Party" gone?

We're still here. Don't let the laundry list of faux Dems fool you.
We're being told to sit down & STFU because we're not falling into line like they want.
Fuck'em and the PR they rode in on.

I'm helping educate the new voters I come into contact with; they're all 16 right now, but won't be in 2012.
Word is spreading as fast as they can text.
:)

[Raine]

35. We're screwed

again. :thumbsdown:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. More like "as usual".

[frebrd]

40. Royally screwed....again! eom

[Libertas1776]

41. We've been sold out...

again...right on schedule. Sigh, what else is new.

[timtom]

42. I've nothing to say at this point.

K & R. (sadly)

[shadowknows69]

43. Same as it ever was.

[Xicano]

44. Sold out to profit over life. Its the American way don't you know.

n/t

[Fire1sKid]

45. Sad but true

[Vidar]

46. Recommended.

[leftstreet]

47. K&R

[mnhtnbb]

48. It's amazing to me that Repubs haven't jumped on board. Seems like

government of the money, by the money and for the money.

[Odin2005]

49. We are being made serfs of the insurance industry!

[donheld]

50. Without one doubt

[OnionPatch]

51. First they sold us out by sending our jobs to cheap labor countries.

Now they're selling us out on health care. The message seems to be "go away and die. Unless you have any money left to spend on our crap."

[invictus]

52. +1

[Faryn Balyncd]

53. K&R

[Prism]

55. We were sold ages ago

The current "reform" is more like renewing a lease with even stricter terms than came before.

[hamsterjill]

56. Yes, it is how it's always been, but there was an inkling of HOPE!

The idea, for me at least, that is so hard to handle, is that with Obama, I thought there might be a real possibility of seeing some things change for the better.

Not so in my book. I'm very disappointed in what I've seen of him thus far. And there's a real issue with me (and others) over the loss of the "hope" factor.

The regulations on the credit card industry were a joke. We're still in two wars. The economy is still bad, but we do have a vegetable garden at the white house.

[bighart]

57. We've been sold out by political America .

The buyer is corporate America and the selling price was remarkably low.

[workinclasszero]

58. Some things never change

DAMN IT!:grr:

[Jamastiene]

59. It could also potentially weaken Roe V Wade. PLUS,

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recently recommended that women really don't need pap smears until later in life.

Preventive Services Task Force recently suggested that doctors stop telling their female patients how to examine their own breasts for lumps.

"...we live in a country where pharmacists believe they can decide for themselves whether to fill a birth control prescription for an unmarried woman, and where hospitals can decide on their own whether to offer the morning-after pill to a rape victim."

http://heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Rationing-+Then+look+to+women-s+health+&id=4926303&instance=columnists

[OneBlueSky]

60. absolutely . . . proving once again that once someone gets to Washington . . .

they quickly become pawns of the corporate/government oligarchy that has no interest whatsoever in serving the American public . . . only themselves and their corporate masters . . .

[Echo In Light]

61. Inevitable continuity

[ElboRuum]

62. Just for future reference...

That is all. :hi:

[BlueCollar]

63. checking in n/t

[debbierlus]

64. ....................

[jotsy]

66. Can't sell what is already perceived as owned. It's on us to show them they're wrong.

The health insurance industry is an irrelevant middleman who manage to participate in the delivery of service the least but make the most. To promise 40 million of us to serial mass murderers for money in a mandate that is likely not constitutional speaks volumes as to a politician's notion of public service.

Recall them all now in any state that grants its citizen the right to do so.

Single Payer Now.
No more compromises, we see where that went.

[leeroysphitz]

67. KnR

[area51]

68. Agreed. (n/t)

[blindpig]

69. Same as it ever was.

That definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.......

[CanonRay]

70. We went from a Kleptrocracy to a Corportocracy

Change I can't beleive in...

[T Wolf]

72. The ONLY question is how much the DC Dems will be made to suffer for their actions.

Many here are very willing to let them slide.

Many are not.

The mood of the people will change by the next election. Anyone who thinks they know how or even in which direction is an idiot.

The only known truth is that there is discontent. From the right because of ignorance and from the left because of betrayal.

[The_Commonist]

73. It's been that way since...

...the East India Company.

Same shit, different day...

[Cybergata]

74. Indeed we were! n/t

[phasma ex machina]

75. +1 K&R nt

[JVS]

76. present

[MsLeopard]

77. Yes we can!

But we won't - suckers!

[freddie mertz]

78. Of course we have. We couldn't believe in "Change".

Let's "hope" we can do better next time.

[earcandle]

80. Yep. How is a general strike organized? Who can manage us through that process?

[Howler]

81. Check!!!! n/t

n/t

[winyanstaz]

82. K & R.....

We have been betrayed to benefit the insurance companies...and not the people.

[branders seine]

83. this isn't about health care at all, much less reform.

It is about guaranteeing the insurance companies 8% of the gross income of every American in perpetuity.

[StillHopingForChange]

84. K&R

n/t

[Stand and Fight]

85. Agreed.

We have been sold out.

[GreenTea]

86. I agree with what actor Danny Glover recently said.

[icee]

87. Sold out by someone I campaigned for month after month, mortgaged my house

to send money to, and proudly voted for. The way he sold us out so directly then having this big theater presentation for the public option then the medicare buy-in while all the time knowing what he would do was ignominous. I am devastated... I doubt that I'll vote again.

[wolfgangmo]

96. I knew it the moment Obama did his "One America" speach.

It showed that he clearly either didn't see the problems rooted in income and power inequities in America (which I doubted because he is not a stupid man) or that he was a corporate tool.

In order to fight evil one must first name it. That is why I got behind Edwards and Kucinich. At least they were willing to acknowledge that there is a ruling class. I think either or both would be been much better than the sell out king. They, at least didn't lie about the important political questions.

One America, my big hairy ass. I know exactly which camp Obama is pitching his tent in.

[peace frog]

88. Signed, Sealed, almost Delivered

[avaistheone1]

89. Crap yes!

[Waiting For Everyman]

90. K&R Check.

:banghead:

[fascisthunter]

91. we have been sold out a long time ago

it's just become much more noticeable.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

93. K&R. #167 nt

[dana_b]

95. check! n/t

[StreetKnowledge]

97. Checking In.

To hell with the Dumb a--holes who sold us out.

[Number_Six]

98. YO! In!

n/t

[SOS]

99. The wholesale dismantling of Roosevelt's reforms began in 1981

And it's been downhill ever since.

The question is: can this sellout to Wall Street be reversed?
Not without a popular movement.

Lincoln had the abolitionists.
Wilson had the Progressive movement.
FDR had the labor movement.
Johnson had the civil rights movement.
Obama has nothing.

[penndragon69]

100. Check and Mate!

Sleep well, comrades!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

101. We sure have.

:-(

[saracat]

102. Yup. Sold out.

[humbled_opinion]

103. Well at least there is sanity still here in DU land.

I can't see how any Progressive can support this seriously flawed and actually regressive and punitive Health Care Legislation.

Obama must have said just get it done and for that I will have nothing more to do with him. He had the opportunity to be a hero and he blew it.

Go Howard Dean 2012 you get my vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

104. As usual.

[femrap]

105. Saw a bumper sticker today.....

'Now that Bush is gone, Who do we blame now?'

[DKRC]

117. Wannabe Repubs with D after their names

ConservaDems might need a 12 step program to get there, but they need to accept the reality of being Dems in name only when they side with Wall St, the corporations, & the MIC against the citizens of America. From what I've seen they are more akin to the Repubs of Eisenhower's era. That's fine, we could use some moderate Repubs with his outlook, but they don't need to drag the Democratic Party after them. Being willing to throw whole segments of Americans under the bus to appease the top 1% is not a Democratic trait.

[twitomy]

120. Am I the only who has noticed this?

So we are to beleive the Republicans are for the big corporations, the big insurance companies, big business, etc etc. This HCR is a gift to these corporations no doubt, yet the
Repubs are against it. They hate Obama so much that they will vote against the wishes of
their corporate masters??? I dunno...I think the old template of Repubs=Rich and Dems=Working Class just is not so much the case anymore. In this debate we have the Repubs voting like Dems and Dems voting like Repubs. Its a crazy world.

[DKRC]

125. Standing with the working class

is not a bad place to take a stand. I cast my first vote in 1980, and have watched the slow dismantling of my country for a profit, any profit, ever since. I've seen us go from a country where my parents bought a nice 3B/2b house with only my father working as a roofer in a small town, to a country where both parents working multiple jobs is considered normal. We took 2 vacations every summer, had 2 cars, & savings.

The way I see it the Repubs & New Democrats are the right & left hand of the corporations/Wall St/MIC. If one doesn't nail you the other will and the top 1% get everything they want.

[twitomy]

127. Sadly I think your right..HOWEVER...

This bill basically subsidizes the big insurance companies. You'd think this is the type of health care reform the Repubs and DINO's would go for (The prescription drug bill under Bush was this sorta thing) But instead we have the opposite; the liberal side and just enough DINOs kicking and screaming for this, and the Repubs against. It turns conventional wisdom on its head. But dont get me wrong; Repubs arent standing up for the working class as they would be against ANY type of the RIGHT KIND of reform.

[DKRC]

131. Repubs seem more like Br'er Rabbit on this one

Please, please don't throw me into that brier patch!

Insurance & pharm. corporations get what they want whether the Repubs get it or the New Dems get it. Either way we're served up on a silver platter with the IRS as their enforcers.
Pulled the same stunt with the Wall St/Banksters. Bush set it up, Obama delivered. One, two punch. Neat. Effective.


BTW I don't know any liberals kicking & screaming for this. We wanted single payer which got shunted aside as unimportant to the reform effort.


That's my opinion. YMMV

[twitomy]

133. I meant to say DINO Senators were dragged

into supporting this kicking and screaming witnessed by all the "bribes" and amendments they extracated. As for the "progressive" Democrats, they were/are all on board from the get go. Show me otherwise and I will stand corrected.

[femrap]

126. I agree...

I've watched the Dem Party go to the center...Repug Lite with strong tendency toward Greed.

And the Repug Party has gone so far right, they're fascists.

Ike would be called a Dem today.

[DKRC]

128. Stephanie Miller says that about her Dad

William Miller who was nominated by the Republican party to be VP for Barry Goldwater in '64. She says today's Republican party is not the same party.

[merkins]

106. Down The River ~

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

107. 16 minutes left for recs kick.

[AsahinaKimi]

109. I don't know

but it sure feels like it.

[Triana]

110. Yep. Absolutely. n/t

[L0oniX]

112. Same as it ever was.

[frog92969]

113. More Plunder

More Treason

[DKRC]

114. K&R! And welcome to DU!

:fistbump:

[girl_interrupted]

115. K&R

[MissDeeds]

116. K&R

:mad:

[Festivito]

118. Class warfare's sub-layer, corporations, buys and sells US with ease.

The corporations are merely bigger chess pieces in this battle. The entrenched class pulls the big pieces back when such strategy suits their purposes, and unleashes them when it seems a good time for battle.

Public Relations firms know: It's only class warfare when we fight back.

[Jefferson23]

119. Where was Obama on this? Not where he should have been, front and center. K&R

[IndianaGreen]

121. K&R n/t

:kick:

[Richard Steele]

124. Ayup. nm

[dysfunctional press]

129. yep.

[slipslidingaway]

130. kick nt

[1badjedi]

132. I think

we were sold out a long time ago but now there is no reason to keep it secret any longer. They probably feel no need to bother since they know all the hurt feeling people will do is write letters, stamp their feet and whine to others who also have no power to do anything about it.

This government of ours and the corporate overlords have no fear of we the people and why should they. When they want to jam something up our collective ass we simply bend over farther. Been that way as long as I can remember and I don't see it changing until more people are pushed out of their comfort zone. As it is too many are still way too comfortable.

So yeah I agree we've been sold out but not again. More like all along this is the reality most have failed to recognize. Their actions now dare us to do something about it. We the people wont. In the end we'll keep our heads down and whine some more I suppose. Then ask for it harder, faster. Because doing something extreme is well.....just too extreme for most.

Sorry if I seem out of line but I am out of optimism, angry and way too cynical to think hope and change is on the horizon somewhere down the line. Been punk'd one too many times and this feels like another. Time will tell though I wont hold my breath.

[girl gone mad]

134. Welcome to DU.

Come hang out on the economy forum or in the daily "Stock Market Watch" thread. You will fit right in.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

135. Heres our chance to show them what we think

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7300758

Action- not just words people.