So this is the scourge of the drug leaders

[nadinbrzezinski]

the Narcos killed the mother. the aunt and the another relative of the Marine who died the other day killing Leyva. (Narco Leader)

Yes the drug war might be stupid, but this is why, even if this is legalized... the use that is, they need to destroy these terrorists.

And those who believe legalizing this will destroy this... wrong.

By the way I will predict this right now, this case will be solved, and those responsible for giving the orders and those who carried this massacre out will be pursued to the ends of the world. And yes, one thing is when military and the narcos pay with their lives, but when they go after civies... yes I am pissed.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. "And those who believe legalizing this will destroy this... wrong"

Yup. Gangs running bootleg liquor shoot up towns all the time.

Just like during prohibition.

"No matter if it's cocaine, heroin, or hash; you've got to carry weapons 'cause you always carry cash."

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Slightly diffferent than prohibition

during prohibition the leaders and the gangs did not go out and kill the unarmed relatives. These guys have crossed a line that they will have to be destroyed.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. Those guys may be plenty bad and deserving of punishment

But their power derives from the fact that something people want is prohibited.

And the violence results from the fact that they have to protect their assets (money and drugs) without the help of law enforcement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It is not may be plenty bad

they are...

These people ARE EVIL in ways that most Middle Class Americans do not understand.

Don't worry, they have fingers all over the US, so people will learn this, assuming our press even covers this.

As I said, this is now beyond legalization.

[FiveGoodMen]

7. "Middle Class Americans do not understand"

So you've been undercover investigating drug gangs?

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Grew up in Mexico

was a medic in Mexico.

And I know this from what I have seen as this damn war started.

As I said, middle class Americans have no clue.

[RedCappedBandit]

3. Right - because people would much rather deal with shady, dangerous dealers

than buy their drugs legally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. You are confusing the dealing of drugs at the pharmacy

with people who have crossed a line where it does not matter if it is legalized or not, they will have to be destroyed.

This is INDEPENDENT.

[anarch]

12. I think this is probably true

but I also think that legalizing drugs would take away a great deal of their power. The "war on drugs" has enabled the cartels to be in the position that they're in, and the continuing waste of resources spent "fighting drugs" or whatever in this ineffective way obstructs us from dealing with these and other terrorists in a way that will really solve the problem.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I am all for legalizing the crap

but I know the culture, and this will just get much worst now, regardless.

And yes, these guys ARE terrorists... and I do not use the word lightly.

[Flaneur]

20. There's "terrorists" on all sides of this shit.

I heard Jorge Castaneda say at a public speech a few weeks ago that the Mexican military was doing summary executions of suspected narcos. The pile of reports of abuses by the military is growing deeper by the day.

By the way, I wonder how much of this retaliation was because of the way the military treated Beltran Leyva's body after he was killed. They tried to desecrate and humiliate his corpse. I'm sure that played well with his buddies.

[Fumesucker]

8. Full legalization with regulation will destroy the funding for these people..

Alcohol Prohibition only went on for for thirteen years in the USA, if it had gone on as long as "drug" prohibition has you would have seen *exactly* the same behavior or maybe worse because there would be even more money in it.

Seventy years now this crap has been going on, at some point our lawmakers should get a clue.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yes, legalization is a separate issue

it will stop the money flow, partly. But this will get bad, really bad. And not just in Mexico.

[Fumesucker]

11. It's the money that's driving it, not the psychopharmeceutical effects of the drugs themselves..

Stop the money flow and the violence ends..

Liquor distributors haven't had shootouts since the end of alcohol Prohibition.

Edited for speling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Once they crossed the line of going after the familyt

of a Marine, it entered a stage that deepens the violence. So no, just stopping the money flow will not stop it.

A week ago... perhaps, but now, it has entered a new cycle.

Granted I am all for legalization, but trust me, this will not stop just by legalizing it.

[Fumesucker]

15. Why would it continue with no money driving it?

When alcohol Prohibition ended, the violence ended.

It will be the same with other drugs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Two things

the violence did not stop, and they found new bidnesses... see Vegas for example and gambling

Second, this is part of the culture in Mexico, the moment they went after the family of the PO2 that died in the shoot out, well the Navy, chiefly, will want revenge. That alone was a signal to the armed forces. You go after us, we go after your families. This has completely changed the dynamic.

Now as is, the death of Leyva will cause an internal war between the cartels in Mexico and abroad.

[Fumesucker]

17. Where is the violence associated with alcohol distribution?

Vegas?

There are shootouts over legal gambling?

The damn politicians created this mess by making things illegal that shouldn't be illegal

We have all been paying for seventy years for the foolishness of the politicians.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. There is violence over gambling

legal or otherwise.

And it is not seventy years, the protocol was signed in 1911... a little more than seventy years, and this is a global protocol.

So it is actually 98 years...

Now you think I am not for legalizing? I am, just stating facts, this little fracas has completely changed the dynamic. Call it having grown in the culture, served in the country, (during the early stages of this mess), and being a student of the culture and its history.

You could legalize drugs tomorrow... it will NOT stop this. This has entered a whole new dynamic.

[Fumesucker]

19. Where is there violence over legal gambling?

I've certainly not heard of it.