The Enemy of My Enemy...

[berni_mccoy]

aka Jane Hamsher's New Friends, you know the ones she went on Fox News to talk to...

Are you sure you want to join forces with these people?

[tekisui]

1. I had never even heard of Jane until yesterday.

Teabaggers are worse than repukes.

[cali]

7. much, much worse

and alas Jane is someone who will use blatantly racist crap to make a point. Just like the teabaggers.

[CBR]

+1

These calls to partner with teabaggers are really disturbing.

[mmonk]

2. Disgusting and intentionally dishonest.

[berni_mccoy]

4. Some think she is... but that's not what I'm saying.

[Donnachaidh]

10. oh yes it IS what you are saying.

Tough to be called out on your dishonesty, isn't it?

[mmonk]

13. I know what you are saying.

The problem is one of association. In stressing an association instead of her message to Fox viewers is to give a false pretense of a shared view of the problem. She does not share a view the government is taking over the private sector but the other way around.

[berni_mccoy]

16. WHO she is speaking to is just as important as her message. She KNOWS who these people are

and yet, would enlist them for her cause.

[mmonk]

59. Fine, hate her. I don't care anymore.

I don't care much about anything any more. It's time for me to go do some last minute shopping. Take care.

[el_bryanto]

5. I kind of have to go along with this assessment n/t

[Donnachaidh]

3. you've really taken lessons with the teabaggers berni

Shrill doesn't even cover the desperation to shut up dissent by the likes of you. SHAME on you.

[berni_mccoy]

6. You know what... most of these pics were taken from a post here at DU on the Teabagger Rallies

And many people, like yourself, chimed in to speak out against the Teabaggers.

Now, you and Jane are ready to work with these people.

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[berni_mccoy]

12. Hmmmm.... I've made two posts about here and that equates to "constantly posting about her"?

Yeah, get a grip on reality.

Hamsher's brought this attention on herself through her own actions.

SHAME on YOU for accepting her decree that we should just forgive and forget and get along with the Teabaggers.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Shame on you for accepting McClurkin

and playing along with the hate based religionists who preach invective against minorities they do not like. Shame on Obama as well. And Biden. And all of DU who rationalized that use of vicious hate speakers in a Democratic campaign.
Shame indeed.

[Donnachaidh]

28. I HAVE a grip on reality -- but I don't have a mission to shut down DISSENT

like YOU do.

Kind of tough to be called on your agenda, isn't it? Makes it difficult to do all that personal backslapping...

[berni_mccoy]

Teabaggers aren't about dissent. And Hamsher is allowing herself to become a tool for Fox.

[RetroLounge]

37. Just as you are a tool for Obama?

Not a supporter. A tool.

:puke:

RL

[berni_mccoy]

38. So, Hamsher is a supporter of Fox? WTF?

[RetroLounge]

44. Obama went on FOX

Was he a supporter or a tool?

RL

[berni_mccoy]

45. No, but he also didn't create a standard that Democrats shouldn't go on Fox like Hamsher did.

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[RetroLounge]

61. of course he does...

It's a joke.

RL

[RetroLounge]

62. Obama went on Fox

Was he a supporter or a tool?

RL

[Donnachaidh]

52. YOU are the one that is equating HER with the teabaggers -- YOU

And yes, they aren't about dissent -- but putting her in with that category YOU are trying to silence HER DISSENT.

I shouldn't even have to post this, but it's more for the people who don't see your blatant attempts at marginalizing a voice that goes against the lockstep demanded by Rahm and his minions of *change*.

YOU and the other shrill chorus HERE are the PROBLEM. YOU are taking the WORST forms of marginalizing done by the repukes and applying it to REAL Democrats. REAL progressives who BELIEVE in the value of DISSENT.

Traitors do what YOU are doing berni. And you KNOW that. That's why you are fighting back so hard on being called on your bullshit.

[RetroLounge]

63. Exactly correct

Squash dissent.

He's either paid to do it, or his Panglossian Ego just can't function if Obama isn't worshipped.

Sad...

RL

[ShortnFiery]

14. +1000

IMO, very well put. :thumbsup:

[berni_mccoy]

Except that it was completely false.

[Donnachaidh]

27. sucks to be you. doesn't it? Can't face the mirror?

Call a waaahmbulance...

[berni_mccoy]

50. Sucks to be working with Teabaggers, doesn't it. Can't face the truth?

Don't like Hamsher recruiting them for your cause? Deal with it or get on that waaahmbulance yourself.

[Donnachaidh]

53. Karl Rove would be so proud of your dissembling he'd have to change his shorts

You've learned all the nasty tricks to SILENCE opposing views -- you should be so proud of yourself! Perhaps you should consider applying for a job with the RNC -- you have the skills they pay good money for.

[baldguy]

9. Epic Fail

[WeDidIt]

11. Yep, those are Hamsher's new allies

and deniers on DU don't alter that fact.

[berni_mccoy]

15. It's like a cult of personality about her. Just like they accused Obama supporters

of being cheerleaders, they now believe she can do no wrong and personally attack anyone who suggests she may be wrong. They have become exactly what they projected onto Obama supporters... fanatics.

[BoneDaddy]

17. Yeah and racism is dead

in America. Obviously hate speech.

[NJmaverick]

18. It's horrible to see supposed liberals being exploited by the right

[WeDidIt]

19. Hamsher's being a whiny baby

She didn't get her way so she's going all "Puma" over the shit.

And a lot of DUers are following her off the cliff.

[NJmaverick]

21. It's turned into an anti-Obama/Dem echo chamber here

[WeDidIt]

25. Yep, I'm thinking about treating DU like I do FR

because I'm reading the same anti-Obama rants on both sites.

Next you'll see somebody here claiming the HCR bill is invalid because Barack Obama isn't a natural born citizen (which has already happened on FR).

[RainDog]

58. why should anyone care what you think? you attacked someone on here who supports homeless people

honestly, whenever I see something from you posted here, I want to vomit.

you ATTACKED SOMEONE who talked about how horrific it is that the richest nation on earth has people begging for food.

you have discredited yourself. nothing you have to say is of any significance.

[Donnachaidh]

29. you and berni need to get a room. n/t

[NJmaverick]

31. .

[bluestateguy]

20. What kind of stupid name is Hamsher anyway?

nt

[Donnachaidh]

57. oh wow -- you forgot to pick your nose and say neener neener at the same time

talk about a childish post. Best you got "bluestateguy"?

[Tim01]

22. I guess you figure lies are ok to push your agenda.

Anybody who doesn't support is the same as the teabaggers? What a crock of shit.

[berni_mccoy]

33. Logic Fail buddy. You can't get there from here.

[Donnachaidh]

56. it's berni's favorite meme this week.

He got the memo -- trash Jane any way you can. Lies get you more brownie points.

[freddie mertz]

23. And the president you defend is a lair without conscience.

Should let that define you too?

[Bluenorthwest]

24. And you think McClurkin and Warren are just dandy associates?

Guess so. So you are saying that Obama should be judged by the words of those men, both here at home and in Uganda, for example? Are you really saying that?
Obama says he agrees with McClurkin and Warren and Palin and Bush that my family should not be equal to yours or to theirs. And that is that. So they are all the same, according to Tail Gunner McCoy. Gotcha.

[FLAprogressive]

66. +1

[RainDog]

30. Why not post pics of Obama with the religious righties?

because it's the same thing - he makes common cause with people who advocate second class status for homosexuals in the U.S. he reaches out to the haters on the right.

he has no problem with people who deny science to claim they are "cured" of their homosexuality by a flying spaghetti monster.

he makes common cause with the insurance cos who don't give a fuck about American's health.

he makes common cause with bankers who think they are the only ones who matter when they are the ones who fucked up the financial system.

if you want to play that game it can go both ways.

[berni_mccoy]

32. So you agree then Hamsher is wrong.

I agree that Obama should not have tried to side with the likes of the Conservative Christians.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. But he did it. And you stood with him as he did it.

And after, when he continued to do so. Your 'should not have' words are empty hot air. You stood with McClurkin in every way that matters. Many here attacking Jane also defended the use of McClurkin. Some said it was to prove his 'bona fides'. Now they claim any association is definitional. So that means McClurkin, hired to be sole speaker and surrogate for Obama, defines Obama. According to the rules you are putting forth. Are you ready to be associated with Uganda, because it is just a degree away at this point. One hair. I'd tread lightly when your associates are involved in attempts at genocide, kid. I'd think very hard about taking up what you are taking up here. Very hard indeed. Donnie accused our community of 'trying to kill our children' and you stood with him. Obama stood with him.

[berni_mccoy]

35. I'm glad you agree that Hamsher is wrong. We can both admit when the people who represent

our cause has made a mistake.

[RainDog]

39. Obama chose Alexis Kelly, anti-abortion and anti-CONTRACEPTIVES

to fill the bogus "faith-based" bullshit position (the govt should not have any govt religious office, it's unconstitutional.)

so he continues to pay off the religious right in political appointments.

it didn't stop with his election.

[berni_mccoy]

46. So does that justify what Hamsher is doing? Two wrongs? Got it.

Listen to yourself go to great lengths to justify her wrong.

[RainDog]

48. I'm not justifying her. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. there's a difference. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

51. It would be hypocrisy if I didn't speak out or agree with you on these points. But that isn't the

case now is it? You, on the otherhand...

[RainDog]

55. I am saying that you support Obama now, in spite of his CURRENT actions

I'm not writing in support of the teabaggers. I'm pointing out that Obama CONTINUES to do the same.

is that so hard to understand? or maybe you don't want to admit it?

here's one for the current democrats and their alignment with the religious right and the corporate fat cats



praying to the golden calf on Wall Street

[Bluenorthwest]

43. I don't know what Hamsher said or did, Bernie

so I can not make that judgment, and you are certainly not invited to put words or anything else in my mouth, understand?
I said your tactics are vile, and that by the rules you are setting, Obama=McClurkin. I said nothing about Hamsher, whom I do not read nor see on TV. I spoke of you, McClurkin and Obama. About Obama's deep associations with people who attempt to incite violence against my family and community, people who are doing just that in Uganda as well.
So your evasions are what they are. But people can read, and my criticism was of YOU not some blogger I do not know. This is McCarthyite bullshit of the most pernicious kind, and that is my point. Cheap, dangerous and stupid political tactic.
But you know what I am saying. You just don't like hearing the truth.

[berni_mccoy]

47. If you don't understand the issue, perhaps you should research it before speaking about tactics

Hamsher has suggested enlisting the Teabaggers in the Progressive cause to kill the Senate Health Care Bill. If that weren't bad enough, she went on Fox to promote this idea and had her petition linked on Fox's website. Those are VILE tactics. Exposing them, as I have done, is not. This is not a guilt-by-association. She is actively recruiting Teabaggers.

[RainDog]

49. just like Obama courted the right. why is it okay if he does it but not her? n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

60. I do not need to read her to know that you are wrong

This is McCarthyite crap. I'm talking about what you are doing here, your actions stand alone, they are not mitigated by what others do or do not do. Deal with it.
The very lack of respect in your exchanges is the proof of where your views of others lie, Bernie. You speak to me as if you thought of me as a child or an inferior being of some sort. I write clearly and you return twister spin snark. On a subject of life and death and equality, your style is 'gotcha' word games and that is more telling than any prose you are capable of producing.
Your style leaves you naked for all to view. Honest brokers get snarked at. Points made are ignored and words are put into other people's mouths. The thread is here for all to read. And your style is bad politics, Bernie. This is not how it should be done. If you have a point, make that point.
But Obama picked a hate speaker as his surrogate. So good luck with your tactic. It is a real winner, worked for Joe McCarthy.

[RainDog]

41. so why not post pictures of him with them? why limit your propaganda to Hamsher?

I don't make common cause with teabaggers but I fully understand what Hamsher is doing and the democratic operatives who are going after her seem to recognize that she has hit a nerve.

you don't deal with the problems they created by attacking someone who is pointing them out and telling the right wingers their side is no better.

[malaise]

36. I 'll stay away from the Fox bunch n/t

[VMI Dem]

40. How is the joining forces with Dick Cheney on the Bush Doctrine working out?

Is he a strong ally?

[RainDog]

42. exactly n/t

[bvar22]

64. The CEOS of the Health Insurance Cartel thank you for your support.

I'm sure they will send you a card when they use YOUR money to buy their next Summer Home in Aspen.

I would post some offensive Photos of YOUR new BILLIONAIRE friends in the Health Insurance Industry, but you are not worth the effort.

[FLAprogressive]

65. What about when Obama found common ground with homophobes? What about that one berni?

[bvar22]

67. Good Point.

Obama has found more Common Ground with Republicans than with the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

[DavidDvorkin]

68. Good post

and a lot of predictable responses.

[berni_mccoy]

69. Thanks. It's amazing to see some people be lead down the path of destruction

by someone who really isn't progressive.