Favorite Norquist Quote:

[dave29]

"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

[Luminous Animal]

1. Yep. That is what he said.

Why did you post it?

[dave29]

2. Today, Jane Hamsher and Norquist have teamed up to go after Rahm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x90512

[Luminous Animal]

3. DUer David Swanson also teamed up with Norquist

and other right wingers in a left-right coalition in regards to Bernanke's confirmation. So did progressive economist, Dean Baker.

http://www.ourfuture.org/news-release/2009124902/left-right-coalition-calls-audit-federal-reserve-bernanke-reappointed-chair

[dave29]

4. So Hamsher has now teamed up with him more than once.

Great.

[depakid]

5. Please tell us you're not THAT shallow...

[dave29]

7. Oh, I am that shallow

The only thing I would find common cause on with Norquist would be the environment... but since he lobbies against cap and trade, I guess that closes that door.

Excuse me for not wanting to find common cause with a man that wants no Government, has been instrumental in everything that has halted progress in this country and pals around with Rove. Hamsher of all people should know better.

Why is that ya'll want to work with anyone but your Democratic Senators? Seriously? Why?

[kayla9170]

6. Looks like a duck, quack like a duck.....

Its' a duck!

[Luminous Animal]

8. So no remark on the issues.

Simply a smear by association, eh?

Did you read either of the letters?

[Luminous Animal]

9. So no comment to Swanson?

Or Baker?
Or Galbraith?

Just a shifting line in the sand, eh?

[kayla9170]

12. Whoever will align themselves with THESE people

So-Called PUMA's, Liberals or Progressives....are thrown WAY UNDER the bus to me.

Here's a link to the Congressman Dingell's Town Hall Attack by the Teabagger's and the Americans for Tax Reform in August 2009. If you want to align yourself with these people, go right on ahead-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7csIynKOUY&feature=player_embedded

[Luminous Animal]

19. Many progressives have already aligned themselves with Norquist

during this campaign: http://www.ourfuture.org/news-release/2009124902/left-right-coalition-calls-audit-federal-reserve-bernanke-reappointed-chair

[dave29]

24. Yes I am well aware of the alignment

now WHY DON'T YOU ALL LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME WHY THE FUCK WE CAN'T "ALIGN OURSELVES" WITH CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS TO PASS HEALTHCARE, BUT WE CAN FUCKING WORK WITH GROVER NORQUIST TO ATTACK THE ADMINISTRATION.

Hypocrites. All of you.

[AllentownJake]

26. Because the conservative democrats made the legislation worse

Honestly, we'll take out the abortion issue. Name one thing Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, or Joe Lieberman added to the bill that will help people, outside of their prospective states.

It's a rather simple answer.

Lots of people signed this letter from all political spectrums. They aren't attacking government, they are attacking the actions of a government official.

[dave29]

29. sure, as a means to meet their own ideological goals.

Gorver's of course, you can see as the quote in the OP. This alignment would be great, if it weren't so stupid. Talk about sending the wrong signal to your base. I'm willing to work with a corrupt man to end what I see as corruption.

To answer your question on what the conservative dems added... they added their vote.

[AllentownJake]

30. In exchange for killing the meat of the bill

Yes they added their vote. It was a political reality to deal with them, and it is a political reality that some people will not accept insurance mandates without a strong public option and still be democrats.

The question is overall, with this bill, I'm skeptical of mandates, I voted for, donated to, and volunteered for a candidate who was against them. That candidate is now implementing them. The only way I can accept mandates is with a Public Option. Both the Senators I have in office agree with me on the Public Option, I did my job for this bill.

I'm also a giant hypocrite because I'd celebrate him reversing his decision on Afghanistan.

:crazy:

[dave29]

33. I don't challlenge how you feel about the bill, but I am glad

you at least see it was a political reality to deal with those senators whose votes we needed to get what we have. Your outrage on what you see as an Obama sellout has been clear. Others of good intention disagree. I don't think we can argue that point any further without beating each other senseless.

[AllentownJake]

35. My argument is the fight he put up

and the spinning they are doing now. Also a political reality. We live in a world where the President can't say, hey Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson are fucking pricks for fucking me over on this, particularly Joe because part of the peace treaty was he votes for all cloture votes.

Ben was under control till Joe started acting up, than Ben realized he could get out of line too.

[Luminous Animal]

43. Why don't you telll me why we can't work with conservative Dems.

I'm thinking that "conservative" and "democratic" is an oxymoron.

[dave29]

13. What shifting line? I posted a Norquist quote

in which he states he'd like to reduce the size of the Govt to the point to where he could strangle it in the bathtub. Re-read the quote. He wants to undo all of the things we are fighting for, using a murderous metaphor most associate with a crazed parent killing a child. Where is the common cause with someone who has this goal? It's nice you are willing to see beyond this, I simply cannot.

I will not call out a DUer as it is against the rules. (I have learned the hard way) -- but thanks for trying

[AllentownJake]

10. Yes and Pat Buchanan bashes the Iraq War and Andrew Sullivan loves him some Obama

Sometimes a typical ideological opponent is correct on a single issue. Barack Obama worked with Dick Lugar on Nuclear Weapons.

If Jane was saying Grover is great on everything it would be another issue.

[dave29]

20. He is not an ideological opponent... he is an ideological assassin.

Obama worked with Lugar? Oh noes!

[AllentownJake]

22. and he'll work with John McCain and McConnel on some issues

If Sarah was still Governor of Alaska, he would probably contact her about some issue.

[dave29]

25. so now it's OK for the President to work with Republicans?

I'm glad you guys are finally feeling the bipartisanship now that Norquist has joined the party.

[AllentownJake]

28. Sometimes working with a Republican is a political reality, sometimes the Republican is right

John McCain is a budget hawk when it comes to defense contract issues most of the time (sometimes he's an idiot) Dick Lugar is good on Nuclear proliferation, If you were giving government money to Alaska for a pipeline, you'd need to talk to Sarah when she was governor.

That really isn't the issue. The issue is what is the Republican saying and does it fit reality.

I wouldn't work with John McCain on International relations, but if I needed help to kill a useless Military project, I might give him a call.

[dave29]

31. I follow you, Jake

but you know as well as I Obama would be hounded nonstop by many here for doing any such thing. Not really the point though:

I do not hold elected officials, whom Obama must work with on the same level as a backroom player over the last 30 years who is trying to destroy what our party stands for.

[AllentownJake]

32. Obama wanted to appoint Judd Gregg to Sec. of Commerce

:shrug:

Politics is crazy. Why people do what they do in the game is crazy. Barack Obama could appoint John McCain Sec. of Defense and I wouldn't throw a temper tantrum till I could figure out if John McCain was having an ill effect on Defense policies. If you got John McCain the deficit hawk evaluating defense contracts woo-hoo. If you got John McCain the war cheer leader, oh fuck. It all depends what leeway is given to the particular pick to do what they have been hired to do.

[dave29]

34. You keep talking elected officials. What if Obama appointed Grover Norquist

as head of the Fed?

[AllentownJake]

36. My economic threads would take a much more interesting and scary tone

:rofl:

Seriously he should have just put Volcker back there, but that would result in him losing re-election because Volcker has no problem with temporary extreme pain to fix a problem permanently and that is not the way the President does business.

[Brother Buzz]

11. Is this the same Norquist that was in bed with...

Abramoff and Ralphie Reed?

[proud patriot]

14. yep

x(

[WeDidIt]

15. Yeah, and Hamsher is teaming up with him to fight CORRUPTION!

:rofl:

[dave29]

16. What baffles me is Norquist and Rove are pals. Hamsher made a name for herself

with the Plame trial. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[AllentownJake]

18. Barack Obama will work with John McCain and Joe Lieberman on certain things

What is the issue?

[NYCGirl]

21. That's part of his job. Is it part of a Liberal Blogger's job descrption? NT

[AllentownJake]

23. There are a lot of co-signers on that letter

I'm guessing her job isn't liberal blogger but government accountability. She probably didn't think it stopped when the party she votes for ideologically took power.

[dave29]

37. And Grover's job is Government strangulation

that did not stop for him either.

[AllentownJake]

38. Grover hates Fannie and Freddie to begin with

That being said, someone really does need to do a forensic investigation of what when wrong over there, and if the chief of staff was involved in shenanigans, well he shouldn't be chief of staff.

[dave29]

39. He doesn't hate Fannie and Freddie, he wants them dead.

He wants our Democrats out of power, he wants Government dead, he wants to kill healthcare (especially the single payer kind), he is implicated in the Abramoff corruption (how about some forensics there) and he helped ram through those tax cuts and Bush policies that set up Fannie and Freddie and every other financial fiasco Obama found on his lap day one.

But you are right, it should be investigated, especially if it involves a Democrat in the Obama Administration. :sarcasm:

[AllentownJake]

40. Fannie and Freddie

were involved in the biggest financial meltdown in world history, they should be investigated along with Paulson, Goldman Sachs, AIG, the rating agencies and every other player

I don't really give a flying fuck if a bad actor in the meltdown has a D or R after their name. If they did something illegal, I want their asses out of government and business and breaking fucking rocks for all the pain they caused and you are correct, Grover should be careful about throwing stones.

[dave29]

41. I think we are reaching that tiny circle of agreement

.

[AllentownJake]

42. LOL

All the people involved in the Iraq War push should be in jail as well, I know, I know. I'm being an idealistic asshole and the omertta code in D.C. prevents such things, cause once these guys start locking each other up, they wouldn't stop.

[WeDidIt]

27. And DU get's pissed at the word "poutrage"

but Hamsher is having the biggest "poutrage" whinefest since Nader in 2000.

[Octafish]

17. Norquist is happy the Greatest Generation is dying off, thousands a day...

The Greatest Generation is un-American because they supported, overwhelmingly, liberal policies like the New Deal and ideals like Civil Rights.

It's Grover Norquist at his most reprehensible.

[grantcart]

44. Can reading Cleon Skousen and working with his disciple Glenn Beck be far behind?

[Skidmore]

45. Norquist and his breakfast buddies are laughing all the way to the bank

and chortling about how they used "progressives" to do their work for them.