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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:39 AM
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Disturbing ObamaCare article...
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 12:40 AM by tedzbear
This is an article by a doctor in the WSJ called "What Doctors and Patients Have to Lose Under ObamaCare." If his claims are true I find this very disturbing since I am currently on Medicare.

<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704254604574613992408387548.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion>

Any opinions on this?
Thanks.



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:41 AM
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1. Excellent birdcage lining. The WSJ is slightly thicker than other rags.
My neighbor gives me his copyu for that purpose.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:54 AM
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4. But is what he's saying true?
I don't care who wrote it or where it's published!!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:58 AM
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8. I notice you didn't respond to VelveteenOcelot--who explains why the author is ridiculously
biased.

I'll bother to read the tripe you posted after you respond to the fact that it's the WSJ, it's owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the authopur is from the AEI. If that's not a clue to the fact that it's patently false, you're hopeless.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:05 AM
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13. He might be biased but what I want to know is if this is what's in the healthcare bill or not?
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 01:06 AM by tedzbear
If this IS going to be in the senate healthcare plan it makes me very nervous.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:11 AM
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17. You asked not for clarification, but opinions. I gave you mine. the guy';s a tool; you've even got f
far lefters and the centrists on DU tell;ing you it's total crap.

Google is your friend, by the way.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:58 AM
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9. Who wrote it and where it's published is very relevant.
You can take it to the bank that someone who works for the American Enterprise Institute and is a partner in a firm that invests in health care companies does NOT want this bill to pass and will put the most negative possible spin on it. I have been following this debate pretty closely and I have never heard any of this from what I would consider a reputable source.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:44 AM
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2. Consider the source: the Wall Street Urinal.
Note also the little bio about the author: "Dr. Gottlieb, an internist and a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, is a former senior official at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. He is partner to a firm that invests in health-care companies."

:rofl:

A doctor who works for that right-wing think tank the American Enterprise Institute and who invests in health-care companies is not going to be the most objective source of information about HCR...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:52 AM
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3. Add to that it was called "ObamaCare."
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:54 AM
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5. But is what he's saying true?
Your reply is no help.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:56 AM
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6. It's marked "OPINION" and with the pejorative "ObamaCare" I wouldn't worry about it.
There is no way to vest the claims, particularly since his bio at the bottom of the page says "He is partner to a firm that invests in health-care companies."
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:58 AM
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7. The WSJ?
:rofl:


Ooooooh. Disturbing Obamacare. Me so scared. :rofl:




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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:00 AM
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10. Until the bills are merged and voted on, no one can say what is in them.
The House passed a version. the Senate is going to pass a version, then the 2 version get made into one
bill...us plain folks have to wait to see what the final bill contains,
So, I am not getting excited right now, other than figuring what will be in the bill will benefit insurance companies, congresspersons and Big Pharma a whole lot more than it will benefit me.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:10 AM
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16. Well, that's a given.
That's why I'm nervous about this article. By trying to placate the Republicans and the insurance companies Obama is selling us out by hiding his sellouts in the details.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:02 AM
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11. He is with the AEI....a very conservative think tank.
That's what they do. They try to defeat anything that means progress in the way we mean it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:03 AM
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12. WSJ? Oh, and "Obamacare" is the right-wing characterization
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 01:05 AM by HughMoran
Edit - oops, thought you were somebody else...
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:06 AM
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14. On closer examination it looks like almost exactly the same argument
that was raised back in the '60s to oppose the creation of Medicare: that evil government will take medical decision-making away from the doctors and make it impossible for them to make a living! Of course, Medicare, for all its faults, is now one of the most popular and efficient federal programs, so this guy talks like he's trying to protect it. The reality is that the American Enterprise Institute and other conservative groups have been trying to get rid of Medicare ever since it got started. It's a bunch of crap.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:08 AM
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15. however
I got a letter from my Medicare Plan D (meds) provider that in 2010 they are no longer covering meds prescribed for uses that aren't FDA-approved. Some of the latter uses are abuses, but some are standard practice. So there's already some detrimental stuff going on even pre- the bill.


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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:18 AM
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18. Scott Gottlieb is a former Bush adminisration official
who didn't have a lot to say until Obama got elected I take this as a variant of the "death panel" tactic

http://www.aei.org/scholar/90
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:23 AM
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19. It's not an ARTICLE, it's and OPINION piece. He can write anything he wants.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 01:23 AM by blondeatlast
And he did just that. He invests in health care management companies. It's to his benefit to distort truth.

Hardly worth a panic, IMHO (which is what you asked for).
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:01 AM
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20. I dislike the term "ObamaCare" - no way will the article be fair
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KrR Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:46 AM
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21. You actually thing repukes and the WSJ give a Fuck
about Medicare? Amazing.
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