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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:55 AM Original message |
Remember the 401-K?? and the investor class for the masses? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Recommend |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. spot on... kicked and recommended |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Spot Om K&R |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. When I started at a corporate job in financial services back in 1999 |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It had to appear better than sliced bread, to get MOST eligible people IN it. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
106. The hidden fees in 401Ks are an undisclosed swindle |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. Isn't part of the appeal of the 401 K plan the notion that |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You're right--the contributed funds are tax-deferred |
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onlyadream (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. It is gambling, and you need to be smart |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. But Bonds can be just as |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. That is crazy. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
91. Often the low-risk option is referred to as a "Stable Value Fund" |
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onlyadream (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
103. I thought they all offered money markets... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. This was in the early to mid '90's that I |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. People who were already retired also took big hits |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
64. What you are missing is a 401K is just a bucket. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
92. Thanks Orrex. n/t |
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zoff (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. Taxes are just one consideration. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Thank you for all this information. |
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zoff (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
100. Always glad to share what I learned in Financial Services. YVW. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. All part of the 1-percenters' Ponzi Scheme. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
98. +10 |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excellent perspective! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. Good Points SoCal...something that's not much talked about |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. WTF does Bernie Madoff have to do with 401K. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. he sent out great looking statements ..I never said he was |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. My 401K is up substantially. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. My husband's company has an 8% max & they match 4% |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. $40K buys $240 a month annuity for life for investor + spouse. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The tax benefits are great for boomers, not so great for subsequent generations. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Every generation gets screwed, at various times..the whole system sees to it |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Major reason why I recommend a Roth IRA over traditional one. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
70. The taxes on the Middle and Working Classes |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. exactly. nt |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. About Madoff -- somewhat OT |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. yes it was a mess |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. A big kick and recommend. n/t |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. 401K |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Fantastic.. What a great retirement you have |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. participants |
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Trekologer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
105. Those numbers are not meaningful without knowing the age distribution |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. Kick. nt |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. Also those 401-Ks were a way to co-opt the middle class... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
24. Like any good pyramid scheme, the few that get in early and get out before the collapse |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. welll.. when the schemes came into fruition, boomers were not the ones "in charge" |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
26. My 401k has recovered very nicely. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. how old are you? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
112. You do realize that not all folks have employers reimbursing at that rate... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
28. You are dead on the money with this SoCal |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
29. my husband has worked for an international |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. People tend to forget that the last stock bust came about... |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. hubby used to get big raises. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. The myth of the 'populist' stock market |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. K & R....thank you.....it needed to be said and you said it well. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
37. i agree with you |
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nicky187 (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. Corporate management decisions... |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
40. Just another joke on the working class |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
41. I can't think about this too long because I get chest pains |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. You're right -- corporations operate to make a profit |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. I've stopped contributing. |
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TwentyFive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. Don'tcha love the douches who explain FREE MARKET economics to you? |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
45. Realistic perspective. Sad. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
47. President Obama has no current ties to any Boomer; hence, he has no empathy (at the least). |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Yep.. his mother died before she was old enough to retire |
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DallasNE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
48. While It Has Turned Out Worse Than I Expected |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It's no accident that all the deregulation was coupled with this little "invention" |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. +!...Society Changed....Marketing "Lifestyles of Rich & Famous" became |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. The modern version of goldfish swallowing, pole sitting, dance marathons |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Ha...you remembered... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. luckily you did not change your new name, all that much |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
50. yes. K&R |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
51. I just noticed the Triceratops. One new monitor..STAT! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I love subtle..not many people have "gotten" it |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
56. People forget that pensions originally were substitutes for earned wages. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I worked for 10 yrs in a place with a union.. only 10 years |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
93. Do you understand that your $26.00/mo dues is NOT what funded your monthly payments? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I know that.. but since my actual wages were very good and my benefits were super |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Then what was the purpose of saying this: |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Pensions were and are managed by professionals |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
57. Spot on ... and a second twist, ... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
58. The dirty secret they failed to tell you about your 401K, is that |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. So how does that explain |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Stop busting up the wild consipracy theories with simple logic. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
66. So what should people do for their retirement savings? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I know.. It just generally sucks.. The BEST advice I could give to young'uns is this |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I have relatives who never left the tiny starter house |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. The smart ones land on their feet..and another advantage to a small house? |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Definitely not "Trading Up". |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Don't give up eating dinner out...totally |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
73. Try to pull your money out "in time" |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. why not transfer from a stock (equity) fund to a money market or treasury fund? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. the 401K is with the Principal Fund--you are allowed to choose between |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Well that sucks. I guess I have been lucky and we need some 401K reform. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. URA = very good idea...and total control by the worker |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. my employer is so broke they cut out the 1-1 contribution at the beginning of the crisis |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. My husband's company still matches up to 8% (with 4% for the boss) |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
74. It had to appear better than sliced bread, to get MOST eligible people IN it. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Most people had no real choice.. the company just "ended" pensions |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Why wouldn't you take free money |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Been reading the papers of late. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Well in that instance I agree no reason to take 401K. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:42 AM Response to Reply #88 |
101. It's all hypothetical... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
89. Video on how HCR will hurt Middle Class Workers: |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
95. Yeah, the Boomers are just poor, helpless victims...n/t |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
99. I'm still pissed off about Stock Options! |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
102. i love my 401(k) |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. in theory, it's a good deal.. we are doing the max we can |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
104. kick (already rec'd) |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
108. Remember Boomers being double-dinged for Social Security by Reagan in the '80's? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. We were "told" that we were augmenting our grandparents' SS and PRE-PAYING |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. OMG...SoCal...Armageddon for US! |
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