Dennis Kucinich: US War Presidents ignore Congress & Constitution

[babsbunny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8t3SJlR2wM&feature=player_embedded

[FLAprogressive]

1. Except this one. After all he is a constitutional lawyer!

:sarcasm:

[Don Caballero]

2. Blah blah blah

Enough with this guy trying to destroy our President. He is so jealous of Obama and it is getting really obvious. Sorry Dennis the American people don't like you. Go away.

[Individualist]

3. Damn the DLC

[msongs]

5. ha ha you're too funny. musn't ever criticize the dear leader nt

[pocoloco]

6. The Constitution just a "God Damned piece of paper"

to you too?

[Don Caballero]

7. I am a firm believer in the Constitution

but when folks use it to justify lambasting the President they lose all credibility. Kucinich was pretty useless when Bush and Cheney were trampling all over it.

[Wilms]

13. Lambasting the President? He merely pointed out that the Constitution is being violated.

Nor did I find him silent during the previous admin.

Talk about credibility.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

14. Still waiting for links to prove your charge that DK has lost a "ton" of supporters.

[pocoloco]

15. Your memory failing you??

He was one of *'s most outspoken critics.

[Xicano]

21. Your "blind" loyalty to the President no matter what is losing all credibility.

Tell me how many times does this president have to take a crap on the Constitution before you defend the Constitution? You come across as if you don't give a crap if this president poured gasoline on it and lit it on fire. And that's not an exaggeration. You say you're a "firm believer in the Constitution" but yet criticize anyone sticking up for it if it exposes this president.

You're totally coming across as a paid disrupter. I am just saying....

[madrchsod]

23. time and half on saturday or flat rate?

[Xicano]

30. Good question.

Lets ask him.

:toast:

[Dragonfli]

34. Being corporatists I am sure they follow "right to work" principles - NO OVERTIME low pay

At least they didn't get outsourced the way their masters really like it, then again ..... I wonder if they have IPs from India?

[Xicano]

39. Another very good point!

Now that you mention it. Yeah, I wonder too.

Thanks Dragonfli

:toast:

[Flaneur]

97. It's not blind loyalty to Obama, it's blind loyalty to eternal war.

[ima_sinnic]

54. please comment on this story:

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1887-dred-scott-redux-obama-and-the-supremes-stand-up-for-slavery.html

. . . After hearing passionate arguments from the Obama Administration, the Supreme Court acquiesced to the president's fervent request and, in a one-line ruling, let stand a lower court decision that declared torture an ordinary, expected consequence of military detention, while introducing a shocking new precedent for all future courts to follow: anyone who is arbitrarily declared a "suspected enemy combatant" by the president or his designated minions is no longer a "person." They will simply cease to exist as a legal entity. They will have no inherent rights, no human rights, no legal standing whatsoever -- save whatever modicum of process the government arbitrarily deigns to grant them from time to time, with its ever-shifting tribunals and show trials. . . .

DU's own widdle Teddy Ruxpin. Somebody needs to change your cornball software.

[Xicano]

57. Darn! I think you scared him away. Oh well....

Good post ima_sinnic.

:hi:

[ima_sinnic]

62. he's gone to get the updated "rebuttal" to that story

they must have different versions of the talking points--the one he got is for readers aged 8-11.

-----------

thanks! :hi:

[L0oniX]

60. I am a firm believer in pizza.

[ima_sinnic]

64. lol!

:spray:

I don't think he's quite cut out for astroturfing :rofl:

[JAbuchan08]

95. Yeah, how dare they use the constition to justify lambasting

the president for ignoring the constitution.

[tbyg52]

101. >>but when folks use it to justify lambasting the President they lose all credibility

Last I heard, the Constitution was the final word, not one particular president. Or are you a "unitary executive" fan?

[Forkboy]

12. Tell OMC and Simply we said hello.

[L0oniX]

47. +1

[flvegan]

16. Yeah, that's his goal.

:eyes:

Sometimes, it sounds like those that feel the president can do no wrong are a bit worried that some tarnish may be showing.

[L0oniX]

33. Enjoy your stay.

[emilyg]

77. I like Dennis.

[juno jones]

88. ...

[Jamastiene]

94. Nice try, but no cigar.

Those of us who like Kucinich know the American people never even got HEAR what Kucinich had to say...considering as how he wasn't even allowed to debate.

Next!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. Nader, Kucinich, Hamsheritis, they can all jump off a f bridge

They do nothing for this country but strangle it to death by feeding it to the f GOP wolves.

[Don Caballero]

9. Finally someone with common sense.

Starting to feel like an Obama hate fest around here.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Not really. It's just that the Naderites, Hamsherites and GOPers are lazy-asses who do nothing

to improve our lives, yet sit around flapping their jaws against Obama when he doesn't wave a magic wand and turn this GOP-damaged land into a wonderland for them within months.

[Dragonfli]

20. It is hard for him to do when he just continues Bush's policies.

By continuing to do the exact same things I image he will never repair it (so yeah months or even a year WOULD be out of the question).

I guess we shall just have to wait forever (or at least till he changes direction like he was really trying to fix it or something)

It's OK when a D does the same things the Rs do in your mind then I imagine.

Good luck with that.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. I imagine it must not be easy to be a Repuke, but keep your chin up anyway, kay? nt

[Forkboy]

24. At this rate there won't be anyone left on DU, besides yourself...

that you haven't called a Republican. :crazy:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. What? You must be deluding yourself that Naderite and Hamsherites make up the full population of DU

Not exactly.

[Forkboy]

37. This has to be performance art.

[Wilms]

29. A-HA! So you're a card-carrying GOPer, too!

I just knew it.

:hi:

[Forkboy]

40. I'm surprised that wasn't the actual reply.

:)

[Wilms]

43. .

:evilgrin:

[Xicano]

25. Question:

Is it more republican to support corporatism or to rebuke it? Which is Obama been doing?

Second question. Do you support the Constitution and the Democratic party's principles? If yes. Why do you contradict yourself?


:shrug:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. Answer: It's more Republican to be licking GOP ass, as Nader and Hamsherite do nt

[Xicano]

35. That's what I thought. You can't answer the question honestly because....

because you know what the honest answer is. YOU are supporting republican/corporatist idealism and you can't even admit it to yourself much less on a Democratic board.

Your non answer is all that is needed to confirm the obvious to so many people.




Peace,
Xicano

[Sarah Ibarruri]

46. You must be confusing me with Jane F Hamsherite who is right now on her knees in front of Grover

Norquist.

Hello? That's not me. That's your leader tho.

[Flaneur]

98. What do you corporatists have to be bitter about?

You're getting what you want.

[earth mom]

102. So what in the hell do you call Obama's rethuglican a$$ ki$$ing?

Obviously it's ALL good when Obama does the rethuglican a$$ ki$$ing according to you. :crazy:

[Wilms]

36. You are charming.

Today I've seen you post probably dozens of references blowjobs and ass licking.

Are you trying to impress someone? Or get in touch with some abandoned feelings?

Perhaps take it elsewhere. Many find it a good thing to talk with a professional.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

49. Don't look at me. I'm not a Grover Norquist lover. Your hero and leader is. nt

[Wilms]

You can try stuffing words in my mouth all day long. But the subject remains Rahm.

And increasingly, your foul mouth.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. Again, stop confusing me with Jane or Ralphie. I don't accept $ from Repukes nor worship at the

altar of their ass.

[Dragonfli]

59. You do their work for free then? The Right Wing philosophy is bad for this country you know

You really should not promote it.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

61. Their? I'm not a Republican like Ralph Nader or Jane Hamsher.

Are you under the influence of something perhaps?

[Flaneur]

99. You're a funny one to accuse people of being high.

Because you've gone completely around the bend.

[Wilms]

63. How coherent of you.

Someone should do you a favor and shout, "last call".

[Sarah Ibarruri]

69. Look, it's clear your leader got caught being a Republican ass

Live with it. At least have some dignity and live with it.

[Wilms]

79. I'm gonna tell the mods you're making me cry.

:cry:

[Name removed]

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[Wilms]

82. Instead of putting words in other's mouths, just state your point and put a cork in yours.

Actually, I don't alert mods...much. But much of the posts of yours on this subject include you personally attacking people who don't agree with you, and making sexual references totally outside of the material being discussed.

It's rude, and likely a violation of the rules.

The one thing you've not accused me of is not disliking Rahm Emanuel. Try it.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

83. Why are you being that way? I'm trying to be nice. I'm saying that if you defend

Hamsher and her pal and mentor, fascist Grover Norquist, then at least admit it and live with it.

No need to be angry when it's your own choice, now, is there?

[Wilms]

85. I'm not angry. I'm disappointed.

You've obviously have a passionate point of view. Yet much of what you've posted doesn't sponsor discussion. You've insulted members of the board. And I really don't think the sexual ass licking/blowjobs references are becoming of a Democrat.

Why don't you accuse me of not defending Rahm. I haven't. In fact, you haven't really. Have you thought about posting all the wonderful progressive ideas he promotes as a means of defending him against the many under-impressed community members you prefer to call "card carrying GOPers"?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

86. Oh? What are you disappointed by? The fact that Nader and Hamsher are on the GOP payroll....

or the fact that I call them and their fans, fuckheads?

[flvegan]

90. And the record skips on.

...skips on...skips on...skips on...skips on...

[Dragonfli]

26. I don't know how hard is it for you and your Republican policies?

Your agenda of continued war, torture and corporate control seem to not have missed a beat since you got an infiltrator in the white house.

I will tell you it is much harder for a Democrat such as myself to enact the Democratic platform when you Dinos keep doing the Republicans bidding.

If I liked killing and torture as much as you folks do I suppose I would be happy, unfortunately I find your right wing lack of ideals quite disgusting and could never follow them as you do.

[Name removed]

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[Dragonfli]

42. Do you even read what you type? by the way TORTURE IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY

I think you should go back to Freeperville, you are not as good at this as you think you are.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. kma and please do me a favor and go email Jane Hamsherite instead of answering me nt

[Dragonfli]

50. I understand, you just went off the clock, now that you are off work have a nice weekend

And try to stay away from right wingers offering candy, they are just warping your mind.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. LOL! That's a typical Repuke tactic. Your leader agrees with Norquist,

Your other leader accepts money from the GOP, but you blame THIRD PARTIES of that.

Interesting.

Join Freeperland please. Or maybe you're already there.

[Dragonfli]

65. My "Leader" is the Constitution of the United States. The thing you like to spit on

While wearing the false flag of the party of FDR, you are an insult to my party and the constitution I hold allegiance to.

Your vile mouth is nothing new to right wingers but I am a little pissed that you use the Democratic party as cover for a right wing viewpoint. You obviously are ashamed of those viewpoints, that is a given - but no one will believe you are a Democrat.
No one.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

68. No, your leaders are the GOP, and you sat on your hind quarters....

and did nothing during all those decades of nazi right wing while they destroyed our country, but now you're out there happily flapping your jaws against our Democratic president.

[HipChick]

70. +100..well said

[Sarah Ibarruri]

72. Thanks! :) nt

[HipChick]

73. you can see through what people don't want to.

;-)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

74. Maybe I'm kinda jaded (my first husband was too much of a realist) but I think these

Naderite GOPers and Hamsherite GOPers know damned well what they are doing. They're just a bunch of nutjobs, wanting to belong somewhere, and they don't care how they fuck up the U.S. They honestly don't give a flip what happens to this country. I think that's why Ralph Nader was found to be accepting funds from the GOP. Remember that? He doesn't give a F about this country. It's all him, and watching this country deteriorate gives him some pleasure. If he can't control things, he'll destroy them. Same with the Hamsher whackjob.

[HipChick]

75. Good point...I've spent a lot of time overseas, and I see what happens in other places

so its easier for me to be objective about what I see here..

[Sarah Ibarruri]

76. It is. I lived mostly abroad - France, Spain, England, Israel

tho I'm not affiliated with the military. I see what things are like abroad and things are like here, and I've never encountered such stupid people as Naderites and Hamsherites. If they can't make their stupid leaders happy, they'll destroy the country.

[Dragonfli]

78. How many protests were you at? 6 less than me I gather. Lies are not acceptable and yet you lie

about people you never met.


I have not yet protested Rahm's policies as I hope to be one of the many voices from within the party that hold feet to the fires and steer policies toward the Democratic platform.

It is a courtesy I extend to my party to do so in house for as long as possible.

I believe you either to be a DLC Whore or a regular Republican sent to disrupt the party platform and destroy party unity in a bid to made the Democratic party an annex to the Republican party.

You do not appear to have any goals other than to insult Democrats.
It is pathetic really, why don't you promote the party platform rather than attack those that do if you are REALLY a Democrat?

I am waiting, what is the most important plank to you (you may find we are in agreement)?
Have you even read the platform?

Please, dazzle me with your support of our platform. I would like to see it and watch it rise to the front page.

If your goals are to further the party, I would think you would be passionate about our platform.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

81. Were you at any anti-Republican candidate protest?

Which one(s)?

[earth mom]

103. Totally agree with you Dragonfli!

:thumbsup:

[Mari333]

84. Not everyone here wears Presidential kneepads

get used to it.

go Dennis!

[suzie]

89. Oh yeah, rah rah for the guy who wants to destroy every other Democrat whose

name is not Kucinich, because no one voted for him in the primaries.

Dennis Kucinich is the same as Lieberman.

[Mari333]

91. not everyone wears Presidential kneepads on DU

not everyone wears Presidential kneepads in the USA
deal with it.

edit to add: Lieberman is FOR wars. so he is more like Obama.

[suzie]

92. Lieberman is exactly like Kucinich.

Neither felt they received the recognition they deserved in the primaries. Both felt they should have been the Democratic candidate.

Each is determined to make the Democrats pay as much as possible for ignoring their wonderfulness.

Both are arrogant narcissists.

[Forkboy]

93. To idiots.

[Donnachaidh]

104. you two should get a room

both acting like repukes trying to shut down dissent. :puke:

[madrchsod]

8. well dah...what else is new?

there is the carter/reagan doctrine to justify just about anything a president wants to do in that area.



the presidents work for the multi national oil and natural gas corporations and use our countries blood and money to protect their interests. let us not forget india,china,and europe who receive these resources and contribute nothing in return.

[treestar]

11. Dennis would have been a war President too, had he been elected

Anyone sworn in on 1-20-09 was.

[L0oniX]

38. Project much?

[ProSense]

67. You should know better

Hypothetically, Kucinich would have ended both war the weekend after his inauguration.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Oh, come on, Dennis, killing is good now that it's our guy in charge of it. K&R

Not to mention profitable.

[HughMoran]

18. .

:tinfoilhat:

[bluestateguy]

19. What a sniveling little whiner

Oh, and did I say crybaby too?

[madrchsod]

44. i guess he`s in good company then

do you remember these cry babies -wayne morris and ernest gruening? i do.

[winyanstaz]

32. K & R,,,,thank you Dennis Kucinich..

and look at this too...

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1887-dred-scott-redux-obama-and-the-supremes-stand-up-for-slavery.html

Talk about some bad news :(

[L0oniX]

41. Kucinich 2012

IBTL
:popcorn:

[Wilms]

48. Damnit, L0oniX.

Your sig line just gave my monitor head lice.

:D

[L0oniX]

51. This should help...

http://www.aragonproducts.com/products/lice1%2Ejpg

[Wilms]

52. .

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

53. do`t feel bad ..that sig line always makes me look.....

especially with a dog in the house!

[LWolf]

58. k & r for the best Democrat standing, bar none. nt

[phasma ex machina]

66. +1 One of the better ones at least. K&R nt

[HipChick]

71. Unrec'd..until he can explain what he was directed to do by a UFO

and the rest of that New Ager stuff...:shrug:

[chill_wind]

87. Rec'd. Also recommend this article by Rep. Eric Massa on 12-23-09:

Christmas Eve Is the 3,000th day in Afghanistan and 30th anniversary of the Russian invasion
By Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) - 12/23/09 03:33 PM ET

(...)

As a 24-year retired military officer and former special assistant to the then Supreme Commander of NATO, General Wesley Clark, I am deeply troubled by the fact that we have yet to even define victory. Having recently witnessed an election where Hamid Karzai "won" despite having about 1/3 of his ballots thrown out for election fraud, I also know that we cannot continue engaging in nation building by partnering with one of the most corrupt narco-governments in the world. Additionally, being on the House Armed Services Committee and having listened to the testimony of General Stanley McChrystal, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, there is nothing that convinces me that we can force Democracy on a tribal people through continued military occupation or escalation.

History has shown us what happens when military forces try to occupy Afghanistan, and we can learn a lot from the Russian invasion which began on December 24th, 1979.

Our friends at the Brave New Foundation have been working on an ongoing project called ReThink Afghanistan and today, they released a great piece on the lessons we can learn from the Russian invasion. I HIGHLY recommend watching this video and sharing it with your friends and family:(see link)



Last week, I signed onto a letter with several members of Congress to demand a Congressional debate followed by an up or down vote in the House on the escalation. It has been eight years since Congress has had any sort of meaningful debate on this critical issue and the public deserves to know where their member of Congress stands.

This is where you can help

If you agree that the American people deserve an up or down vote on the escalation in Afghanistan, then I urge you to call your member of Congress and Senators to tell them to support an Up or Down vote on this issue.

Nothing gets the attention of a member of Congress quite like returning from the holidays to discover 500 voicemails demanding action.

(...)

videos at link and the rest of his writing:

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/73515-christmas-eve-is-the-3000th-day-in-afghanistan-and-30th-anniversary-of-the-russian-invasion-rep-eric-massa

[Greyhound]

96. Boy, do the cheer squad hate him...

I guess they think they'll be the Capos.
:kick; & R

[MilesColtrane]

100. Gee, he must have not read this before he voted for it.

HJ 64 ATH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 64
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

September 14, 2001
Mr. ARMEY (for himself and Mr. GEPHARDT) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations


September 14, 2001
Committee on International Relations discharged; which was considered and agreed to


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


JOINT RESOLUTION

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens;

Whereas such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad;

Whereas in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence;

Whereas such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it


Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.