Let's all quote "1984" and show how smart we are.

[cliffordu]

War is peace.

[slackmaster]

1. We have always been at war with Eastasia

:kick:

[Confusious]

59. I thought it was Eurasia

oh,, dear me, I'm afraid I have some bad news :(.

[MrMickeysMom]

2. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

[NoPasaran]

3. If you keep the small rules you can break the big ones.

[leftstreet]

4. This was no boat accident!

[DBoon]

5. He loved Big Brother (nt)

[ThomWV]

10. For me its the most chilling end possible.

[patrice]

6. Smart is Dumb.

Or is that Dumb is Smart? I always get those mixed-up.

[Cruzan]

7. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

[depakid]

53. +1

I'm old. Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough.

[Cruzan]

61. The middle of a drought and the water commissioner drowns. Only in L.A.

[Electric Monk]

8. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake.

We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

[Fumesucker]

9. I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit..

It's the only way to be sure..

No, it's not from 1984, but it's appropriate for so many situations..

[MrMickeysMom]

14. Aliens does it for me, too.

:thumbsup:

[Iggo]

22. "Game over, man! Game over!"

And for good measure, "Why don't we put HER in charge?"

[TK421]

89. "Hey Vasquez..have you ever been mistaken for a man"?

"No....have you"?

[NYC_SKP]

11. "Your worst enemy, he reflected, was your nervous system."

But give me a few hours, some instruments, and a LOT of chloral hydrate, and I can take care of that for ya'!

[TuxedoKat]

12. Double plus good thread.

Hope I got that right.

[EFerrari]

13. No one can know how glad I am to find / On any sheet the least display of mind.

[Electric Monk]

15. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.

How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

[Greyhound]

16. ""War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere,

or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent."

I'll bet Orwell never thought he was writing an instruction manual.
:kick: & U

[SidDithers]

17. Something about chocolate rations?...

it's been a while :)

Sid

Edit: found the complete works of George Orwell online
http://www.george-orwell.org/
Enjoy!

[Kansas Wyatt]

18. The DLC is looking out for our best interests.

[phasma ex machina]

21. unthinkable

[Cirque du So-What]

19. Under the spreading chestnut tree

I sold you and you sold me:
There lie they, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree.

Strap a cage containing a starving rat to a guy's face and you can get him to confess to pretty much anything.

[The Stranger]

46. Oh, you bastard.

You beat me to it -- the spreading chestnut tree.

Poetry can be so fucking haunting.

[dem mba]

20. Panama!

Panah-ma-huh!

[Iggo]

23. ...oh-oh-oh-oh!

[BootinUp]

27. lol

a Van Halen reference for the rock music challenged.

[Dr. Strange]

37. I've got it bad, so bad.

I'm hot for teacher.

[Bluebear]

24. Copyright 1949

Oh...

[robdogbucky]

25. You mean

cite neologisms from Orwell's dystopian tale?

A little Orwellian background from Wiki:

"Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950),<1> better known by his pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist and journalist. His work is marked by keen intelligence and wit, a profound awareness of social injustice, an intense, revolutionary opposition to totalitarianism, a passion for clarity in language and a belief in democratic socialism.<2>

Considered perhaps the 20th century's best chronicler of English culture,<3> he wrote literary criticism and poetry, as well as fiction and polemical journalism. He is best known for the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949) and the satirical novella Animal Farm (1945). His Homage to Catalonia (1938), an account of his experiences as a volunteer on the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, and his numerous essays are widely acclaimed. Orwell's influence on culture, popular and political, continues. Several of his neologisms, along with the term Orwellian, have entered the language...

CLIP

...In June 1949 Nineteen Eighty-Four was published to immediate critical and popular acclaim..."

quite a story, read it all at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell



Just my dos centavos

robdogbucky

[Fuzz]

26. "Game Over man! Game over!!!!" Wait, that was Aliens.

[chaplainM]

28. "Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death." eom

[derby378]

29. "We are the priests of power. God is power." (n/t)

[LWolf]

30. No, thanks. Our government already does a pretty good job of it. nt

[Peacetrain]

31. I sold you and you sold me... under the spreading chestnut tree

thanks jane for nothing

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. There's been a lot of that going around lately.

[phasma ex machina]

64. .

:puke:

[Greyhound]

73. He can't help that he has to ride th short bus into DU every day.

:rofl:

[happy_liberal]

33. sometimes I wish this book was never written

it just gave the nutcases too many ideas

[Greyhound]

74. You mean the nutcases that own us? n/t

[whatchamacallit]

34. One of the more obscure references

"Fuck Chickenhawks"

-George Orwell

[ThatsMyBarack]

35. "War is Hell--but there's still time for cocktails!"

No, wait...that's M*A*S*H! Sorry. :hi:

[Book Lover]

36. From orwellweb.com

The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. Its real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act. Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it. All marriages between Party members had to be approved by a committee appointed for the purpose, and—though the principle was never clearly stated—permission was always refused if the couple concerned gave the impression of being physically attracted to one another. The only recognized purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the Party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way it was rubbed into every Party member from childhood onwards. There were even organizations such as the Junior Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. This, Winston was aware, was not meant altogether seriously, but somehow it fitted in with the general ideology of the Party. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so. And as far as the women were concerned, the Party’s efforts were largely successful.

Set aside Orwell's sexism if you can; it's a powerful statement on how sexual attitudes are shaped and distorted.

[bigtree]

38. more to the point, war is an imposture

"The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word "war," therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three superstates, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This -- although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense -- is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree/1349

[proteus_lives]

39. "Yes, I am serious,"

"And don't call me Shirley."

[StarfarerBill]

40. "...Imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever."

[Touchdown]

41. I'm not paying this back. I consider it asshole tax!

...oh' sorry. Fight Club.:evilgrin:

[cliffordu]

42. I likes me some fight club....

[rug]

43. "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake.

We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

[omega minimo]

44. Ollie North is a Hero.

[KittyWampus]

45. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy

oops, that's Animal Farm. :)

[grantcart]

47. "There's no fighting in the war room"

If your going to go nihilistic I prefer Peter Sellers and retention of my bodily liquids.

[cliffordu]

70. I sure loved that film.....

howareya??

[Karmadillo]

48. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will.

nt

[Bobbie Jo]

49. "The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was....

not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in."

"Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."

:nuke:

[HughMoran]

50. Two Minutes Hate

[gopwacker_455]

51. Freedom is Slavery

[gmoney]

102. Pigs is Chickens.

[divideetimpera]

52. "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the future controls the present"

that is why the rich work so hard to control the american mythology: if they control what people think happened in the past, they control what will happen and what is happening now.

Here is a quote from ME: All war is propaganda.

[Luminous Animal]

54. I am positive that even idiots can quote "1984".

Your point?

[cliffordu]

56. You just proved it, thanks.

[Luminous Animal]

58. I don't think I have and I think you are being condescending towards

your fellow DUers. You are unwilling to acknowledge the importance of collective intelligent short hand. There is value in cultural iconography.

Veni, vidi, vici

Out, out, damn spot

Moi d'etat

Let them eat cake

War is peace


These are all phrases that intelligent people are able to derive deeper meaning from without a treatise.

[cliffordu]

69. ...And a lot of people use them as a substitute for critical thought.

[harun]

80. I don't. They are referencing implications of certain authoritarian

and hypocritical behavior. It is naive to think they are going to take the time to lay out the entire premise and argument Orwell did just to eventually make their point.

It is an easy way for them to raise a "danger" warning for policies they see as serving only the party or authority.

I'm glad they do it and welcome it. The uses of it I have seen have been appropriate.

[cliffordu]

88. ...So you think using the Orwell references, which were used

throughout the Bushy admin, is the same, and acceptable, shorthand for the Obama admin.

If so, then it's all easy peasy. No thought required.

[Selatius]

94. Intentionally using Orwell references under both administrations might signal a deeper opposition.

Some people just don't lean authoritarian on issues, be they pushed by Democratic or Republican administrations. If I saw an Orwell reference dropped in relation to a thread dealing with the Obama Administration wanting the roving wiretap provision of the Patriot Act renewed, I'd understand what they were talking about.

[harun]

100. When Obama goes to the U.S. Miltary Academy at West Point and basically

gives a "war is peace" speech, I think it is most certainly warranted to use the Orwell references.

Obama could have very well gave a speech in front of the U.N. or any number of other humanitarian or aid organizations on how the world must come together to build a constructive society in Afghanistan and how the U.S. should not be doing it alone. That the interjection of more violence and military authority is not the answer and aid for a war torn people is what is needed.

That is not the speech he gave nor the venue he chose.

[Luminous Animal]

101. When you assert that, you need to provide evidence of such.

[anaxarchos]

55. Let's bounce around like a ping-pong ball and show how confused we are

There is no amount of political sophistication or real politik which can turn lies into truths, fraud into a strategy, or war into peace.

Hypocrisy is bankruptcy.

[cliffordu]

57. Flakiness is spontaneity, criticism is insight

vocabulary is intelligence, angst is activism....

See? Anyone can pretend to be an expert.

[anaxarchos]

63. Expert in what, cliff?

Situational ethics, maybe?

[cliffordu]

67. Really?? Do Tell!!

:bounce:

[WCGreen]

60. Being able to quote Orwell correctly show that you have blessed with a

a well rounded education.

You can be terribly dull and still quote Orwell.

You can be well read and be able to quote Orwell.

But if you are never exposed to Orwell and so can not quote his works, that still doesn't make you unsmart...

[gleaner]

62. My favorite .....

Do it to Julia.

"Under the spreading chestnut tree, I sold you and you sold me," as quoted by a character in 1984. Particularly apt for the way we live now.

Can we do "Ape and Essence" next?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

65. I think Orwell would be appalled...

That people are taking his words and using them as their own form of "Newspeak," as a way to avoid recognizing the nuance of life and language, as a substitute for informed discussion. I think he would mortified to know that people were using his works and words as a way to shut down debate rather than encourage it.

[Greyhound]

75. I think he would far more upset that his work is used as an instruction manual. n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

77. Have to disagree -- I think he would have fully expected that

But when otherwise thoughtful people hurl allegations of "Thought Crime" as a way to short-circuit honest discussion and and stygmatize principled disagreement, I think that would be painful.

[Greyhound]

81. To what specifically are you referring? n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

90. I'm referring to every person who brands a disagreement as "Hate Speech"

regardless of the intentions of the person who says it. I'm talking about the person who assumes that anybody who disagrees with him is just another mindless tool who "loves Big Brother" rather than critically analyzing the argument the other person makes.

[Greyhound]

99. OIC and agree. n/t

[peekaloo]

66. Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!

:+

[cliffordu]

68. Very NIce!!!!

I have a mineshaft gap, my own self.

[Edweird]

71. "I forgot my pencil"

"I don't FEEL tardy".
"Gimme something to write on, man"

Do I win?

[Iggo]

91. Bom-buh-dee-duh, bom-buh-dee-duh...

Bom-buh-dee-duh, bom-buh-dee-duh,

Bom-buh-dee-duh, bom-buh-dee-duh,

Bom-buh-dee-duh, Dee-duh, Dee-duh...

(Oh wait. That's Diver Down.)

[Mad_Dem_X]

72. It's time for the Two Minutes Hate.

[n2doc]

76. Ted Rall does today...

[whatchamacallit]

78. What's the point of this turd?

Anyone know?:shrug:

[fascisthunter]

83. Not Sure if He's Pointing Out the Hypocrisy of Obama

and those that call war peace or if he is mocking those who take issue with the hypocrisy.

:shrug:

[whatchamacallit]

84. I suspect the latter

unfortunately.

[anaxarchos]

86. It depends on which day it is...

Tuesdays and Thursdays, the former... The other days, the latter.

Complicated, ain't it?

[cliffordu]

98. Yep - except for the full moon dates and then it runs consecutively.

Go figure.

[Individualist]

96. Condescension

[cliffordu]

97. Draw out the blanks.

[harun]

79. I don't think anyone is quoting it to show how smart they are, they are showing

how well the book predicted Gov't (and party) behavior.

[Echo In Light]

82. After working for the BBC, he realized "perception management" wars would be fought in the future

[fascisthunter]

85. well, it means those that do use his quotes are in agreement

with the quotes themselves... and giving credit to him for it. I don't believe people are trying to prove to you that they are smarter or just smart.

[Echo In Light]

87. That's a driving element as to why certain personality types fervently deny conspiracy theories

... your last observation pertaining to intelligence. I can't tell you how many online encounters I've been part of, or witnessed others in, where the smug CT denier is clearly fueled by a rage that stems from feeling as though 'lesser/inferior' people know something they do not. Drives em bugfuck!

"Even open-minded people will often find themselves unable to take seriously the likes of Chomsky, or Zinn, on first encountering their work; it just does not seem possible that we could be so mistaken in what we believe. The individual may assume that these writers must be somehow joking, wildly over-stating the case, paranoid, or have some sort of axe to grind. We may actually become angry with them for telling us these terrible things about our society and insist that this simply 'can't be true'. It takes real effort to keep reading, to resist the reassuring messages of the mass media and be prepared to consider the evidence again." ~ David Edwards

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

92. Ain't passive-aggressiveness wonderful? -nt

[tabasco]

93. Telescreens!

[JFN1]

95. "Bush is a hero!"

Oh, wait...that was 2004, and Fox News...