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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:18 PM
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Media Preparing Loss for Democrats in 2010
Did anyone notice on MTP how many right-wingers they had on, Gingrinch, Bloomburg, one Milquetoast democrat, and another winger that I can't remember. And of course Gregory isn't anywhere near a liberal. Who could be when you make ten million a year, I guess, paid to slander, and push right-wing thought.

But not just the guests, our media is preparing a loss for Democrats in 2010. The whole idea of the discussion of how badly democrats will lose, the asking of the question "How many seats will they lose 'guest' " makes it more likely they will lose.

As much as I haven't liked the Senate's version of the bill, the fact we don't have bills reigning in bankers, and repealing some of the idiot trade bills that have pumped up the coffers of the rich, while screwing Americans left and right, clearly focusing strictly on the few democrats that have been bought off by corporate power, instead of the solid block of Republicans that have consistently wanted to keep us dying, promotes their goal of dethroning democrats.

And how much did that block of "do-nothing" republicans pull the bill to the right, get rid of single-payer, and any measures that would actually bring down the cost of insurance. How much did republicans have to do with throwing that mandate in there, only to accuse democrats later of forcing people to buy a product.

Clearly, the media isn't just reporting on it, they are trying to make a loss happen. Bush was so horrible, that not only did they lose in 2006, and 2008, but they lost much more miserably than the media could have ever predicted. So they've shifted back into the mode where they shove more republicans into office, where we'll be back to do nothing status.

Democrats who are bought off by corporations, like Baucus, Landreau, Nelson, and Lincoln are quite happy to get the "cover of no cloture" back again, and lose the non-filibuster majority. See how bad they look when they can't get anything passed, even with this massive majority?

Yep, I say we put even more democrats, real democrats. We need some real progressives to attack these tools like Baucus, and some way to get the po-folks out and voting. The solution isn't back-tracking to people who never, ever even tried to pass health care. We need to move forward, to more, and more liberals. Just be aware, and when the time comes, go vote. I know to most of us it seems like the evil of two lessers. But don't let the media do that to us. It is by their plan that they are trying to focus on the things that keep us home on election day.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:21 PM
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1. It's the end of December. The idea is appealing to the right wingers
but 11 months is an eternity, politically speaking.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:29 PM
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2. We have to be on top of it.
And our GOTV efforts will be at least as important as they were for Obama in 2008.

We can NOT sit back and expect him to "make change" happen without vocal popular and congressional support.

Revving up the energy and mobilizing high turnout is absolutely critical. Take a lesson from the Teabaggers. Noise works.

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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:32 PM
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5. +1
we need all our foot soldiers on the ground fighting for the GOTV effort.

My GOTV effort was stronger in 2009 than in 2008 (my first time doing any campaign work). It was easier for a less popular candidate simply because I had the experience under my belt.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:30 PM
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3. The media is not the culprit. "Our" leadership is.
This so-called HCR will have a devastating effect in 2010. Devastating.I hope all you who shilled this shit-bill will be happy. You will have "saved" no one, but cost our Majority in the Senate, and sliced it thin in the House. Good move, folks, thanks.
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:43 PM
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10. You say the media isn't the culprit
Then you recite what the media has told you to say.

Do they say "The democrats are terrible," or do they say " a few democrats were against the bill, but every single republican voted against health care, and wants to allow 45,000 people to die each and every year?"

It seems to me the few corporatocrats are being spotlighted, and the republicans are being given a free ride for their not votes.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:51 PM
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18. No, I figured that out all by my lonesome.
The Democratic "Leadership" are pro-corporate weasels. I Did not need the "media" to tell me that, I just paid attention. You know, the "media" is NOT always wrong, no matter how much you wish they were.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:31 PM
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4. The Democrats need to stop helping the media prepare for the loss.
nt
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:33 PM
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6. Just Remember
They aren't really "reporting" the news about 2010.

The media is trying to produce that result.

Maybe someone can help me here--what is that saying--if you observe something, you change it. That is the point. Saying it is going to be crap-city for democrats, will make it crap city. Bringing on tons of republicans, as they always have, will give them plenty of leeway.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:34 PM
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7. The media always has more right-wingers and milquetoast DINOs
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 12:36 PM by Kalyke
on their shows than liberals.

Heaven forbid that the average American might understand that they actually agree with most liberal ideas. That might make their corporate masters irrelevant.
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:53 PM
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16. Yep, why stop there
The media pretty much doesn't have "liberals" on television.

When is the last time you've seen Chomsky interviewed, or Mike Moore, or Chalmers Johnston, or Howard Zinn, or Ralph Nader?

Not only do they put more republicans on television, they also rarely if ever, put liberals on television.

And they are always calling Democrats liberals, and using the words interchangably, which is in my opinion, a very biased way to present them.

Even MSNBC rarely reports on how much money we waste with wars, or goes against the death penatly, or drug wars, or talks about the industrial complexes. Often they don't even bother pointing out the wars are about oil. Rachel Maddow did one night, meekly point it out, as if she knew she was going to get in trouble for it.

You have to keep an eye on them, but make sure you know the reporting is going to be biased right, and view it with a careful eye. They are going to always be manipulating you.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:38 PM
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8. If the Dem leadership acted like Dems instead of repubs,
they would most likely gain seats in 2010. The Dem leadership is doing a good job of losing support all on it's own. They don't need the media's help to lose in 2010. Though, the media and the Left will ultimately take the blame.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:39 PM
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9. I saw who was scheduled to be on the show and could not stand to watch it.
I can not agree with you more. We must start NOW to organize for the '10 election, and make sure to VOTE...I'd be very happy to see us pick up 2 or 3 Senators, and stay even in the House. The Media would be puzzled, and the GOP would shit it self....all that money wasted on TV and bribes, I mean lobbyists...

Let's really give them a shock in '10 and even more in '12.

Rec.

mark
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:43 PM
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11. It's not just the media
The corporatists are in the media, but also in the Democratic party, and everywhere else you look. Dems are dorn between being progressive populists with no chance of funding a viable election campaign, and toeing the corporatist line. Until Americans turn off the TV, get off their fat asses and start acting like Iranians, the corporations are going to continue to have it their way.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:44 PM
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12. Is it me, or are the Dems abetting them?
Once again.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:46 PM
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13. MTP has been heavily overloaded with Repubs for a long time.
So much so that I stopped watching it.

And also David Gregory is a fatuous sycophant.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:47 PM
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14. So the media is mirroring this forum. Shocking!!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:50 PM
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15. Wall Street loves A Centrist Dem. President and a GOP House and
Senate. Bill Clinton's 2ond term was their Dream.

The Democrats are handing Wall Street their dream.

The Democrats on the Hill never learn:
Given the choice of a fake Republican and a real
Republican, the American people will choose the real
thing every time.

Too many fake Republicans in the Democratic Party
turns the Media off as well as the people.

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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:54 PM
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17. Hell, the DEMOCRATS are preparing a Democratic loss in 2010.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:04 PM
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19. It is best to be ready.
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