The full body scanners would not have worked

[Motown_Johnny]

They allow you to place a metal plate over your genitals for modesty. Since the bomb was hidden in his crotch the plate would have covered it.

MSNBC should kill this story line, it makes them look foolish.

[tekisui]

1. If someone is determined to kill themselves as part of their weapon,

security will never be 100%.

[NJmaverick]

2. Explosive sniffing devices or bomb sniffing dogs would have worked

[Motown_Johnny]

3. I think bomb sniffing dogs is the answer.. I trust them far more than any technology

and add to the fact that the scanners still depend on humans to be alert and aware 100% ot the time and I think it is a huge waste.

We know that dogs can perform well and won't "break down" the way machines will.

[NJmaverick]

4. Animal labor can work, but they do get tired as well and they need to be cared for

I would expect that both the scanners and the dogs will see increased usage.

[MineralMan]

8. Is that a bratwurst in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

A dog's view of the world?

[dipsydoodle]

6. Yep but just need them

to ignore anything that smells like prawns.:9

[pnwmom]

14. Unfortunately, the puffer machines have turned out to be less reliable than

in the lab. Too much dust in the actual airports.

[napi21]

5. All this false modesty is just BS! I just listened to a pilot who

called in to a radio talk show this AM. He said he was one of the pilots that is armed to protect the cockpit from a takeover. He said all this scaning, taking shoes off etc. is just for show to make the public think the Gov;t is doing something. He admitted that nothing will make you 100% safe, but the full body scan would help. The flying public needs to make a decision on how much privacy they are willing to give up for better security.

I checked the images from the full body scanners. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS337US337&um=1&q=images+backscatter+x-ray+machine&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=21

BIG DEAL! You can see more explicit pics in Glamor & Vogue magazine!

You have to realize that there is NOTHING that will keep you 100% safe from a person who is determined to kill and die in the process!!!!

[alarimer]

18. I am not willing to give up ANY privacy for better security

Because we have given up too much already and it DOES NOT WORK. I think Nate Silver said that there has been 1 attempted terrorist attack per 11 BILLION flight miles. Let's face it, the risk is never zero and could not possibly be zero unless we all flew naked and sedated and maybe not even then.

So let's stop this charade and do some real things. This guy bought a one-way ticket IN CASH and had no luggage or carryons. I have had to undergo extra scrutiny when I flew one way (out of Gulfport, MS, a relatively tiny airport). All of those things (pay in cash, no luggage, flying one-way should flag anyone). My bag was searched and I was wanded (thought not patted down or searched by dogs).

But no amount of extra security is going to eliminate every possibility. What will help is vigilance by security personal (based on behavior, not ethnicity or religion) and by the rest of us (though with the caveat that we also tend to overreact).

[pnwmom]

24. Then don't fly.

The ticket was a round-trip ticket and he did have a small carry-on.

I'm not in favor of relying solely on the vigilance of security personnel in hundreds of other countries. Full body scanners in all airports would add a strong measure of security.

[backscatter712]

7. Be careful making sense here.

DU's very own authoritarian brigade will be here shortly to demand that you go through the electronic strip search without anything to protect your modesty...

And they'll explain to you over and over that there's nothing wrong with strangers looking at pictures of your genitals and mammary glands...

[NJmaverick]

9. When does that group, you are talking about, arrive?

[backscatter712]

10. 3...2...1...

Actually, it already arrived in my thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7347724

[NJmaverick]

11. Interesting, but I think what your thread is dealing with is not the same

as what this one is.

[pnwmom]

13. It's not as if they can connect your face to the images they are looking at in

a different room.

With the faces blurred I don't see a problem.

[seabeyond]

16. have poster above. false modesty. it isnt about modesty, false or otherwise. nt

[pnwmom]

12. Then they will have to change that policy. Simple enough.

The images, even without the metal panel, don't look especially scary to me. Faces are blurred and the images are being viewed in a different room by someone who can't see the person they belong to.

[backscatter712]

15. I don't care if they're blurred or viewed in a different room or not.

Why should I be forced to go through an electronic strip search just for wanting to travel? It's not a matter of if, but when this technology will be abused...

[pnwmom]

17. Why? Because it's the best way to make sure people aren't carrying explosives

on their bodies.

No, it's not perfect, but it will reduce the odds of an attack.

[HipChick]

20. Agree..I've sure given TSA a good eyeful by now..

I've been running through one for some months..:rofl: seems folks who do the least amount of travel are the loudest ones complaining

[pnwmom]

22. Though I do agree with one poster who said s/he thought there should be a

separate airline for people like him or her, who don't want to waste their time with all this unnecessary screening.

I mean, if they want to set themselves up to be the terrorist sacrifice, it's okay with me.

:rofl:

[hayu_lol]

19. If one has to fly, seems like the full-body scanner(sans plate)...

has arrived. Better to feel molested than blown apart.

Perhaps others will drive rather than fly. Teleconferencing should be able to handle the business traveler.

[alarimer]

21. 1 attempted terrorist attack in 11 BILLION flight miles.

ONE. For this we are expected to be felt up by TSA loser perverts with authority problems or ogled by someone unknown to us. That is just fucking creepy and I cannot believe how all the sheeple here are willing to go that far. And when that approach fails (as it inevitably will) what other rights are you willing to sacrifice?

Stupid rules about no electronics or books on your lap in the last hour will do nothing. Not one goddamn thing. I am not a sheep and I am not putting up with these infringements on my constitutional right to travel.

[backscatter712]

23. Amen.

Those that give up essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither.

One incident per 16 million departures is not an acceptable justification for strip searches, be they real or virtual.