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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:04 PM
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I take patriotism very seriously
and for Jim DeMint to be second guessing our commander in chief IN A TIME OF WAR, when WE HAVE TROOPS IN THE FIELD, is beneath contempt.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:05 PM
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1. rofl not sure if this is meant as humour but would you have said the same thing 2 years ago :)
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:07 PM
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5. I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. Speak a little louder next time.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:07 PM
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6. rofl im actually writing it on whiteboard as we speak for you. :)
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:06 PM
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2. pffft
Never was a patriot yet, but was a fool. – John Dryden

A patriot is a fool in ev’ry age. – Alexander Pope.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. – Samuel Johnson

In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary, patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first. – Ambrose Bierce

Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen. – Ambrose Bierce

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.” – James Russell Lowell

“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.” – G. K. Chesterton

Patriotism which has the quality of intoxication is a danger not only to its native land but to the world, and “My country never wrong” is an even more dangerous maxim than “My country, right or wrong.” – Bertrand Russell

Patrioism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. – George Bernard Shaw

You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy. – George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is an ephemeral motive that scarcely ever outlasts the particular threat to society that aroused it. – Denis Diderot

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. – George Santayana

The Athenian democracy suffered much from that narrowness of patriotism which is the ruin of all nations. – H.G. Wells

Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. “Patriotism” is its cult. . . . Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship. – Erich Fromm

One of the great attractions of patriotism–it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat, Bully and cheat, what’s more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous. – Aldous Huxley

Many studies have discovered a close link between prejudice and “patriotism” . . . Extreme bigots are almost always super-patriots – Gordon Allport

It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. – Elbert Hubband

Patriotism varies, from a noble devotion to a moral lunacy. – William Inge

Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism corrupts history. – Goethe

Into the cultural and technological system of the modern world, the patriotic spirit fits like dust in the eyes and sand in the bearings. Its net contribution to the outcome is obscuration, distrust, and retardation at every point where it touches the fortunes of modern mankind. – Thorstein Veblen

The standardization of mass-production carries with it a tendency to standardize a mass-mind, producing a willing conformity, not merely to common ways of living, but to common ways of thinking and common valuations. The worst defect of patriotism is its tendency to foster and impose this common mind, and so to stifle the innumerable germs of liberty. – J.A. Hobson

2. Patriotism and War:

At the bottom of all patriotism is war: that is why I am no patriot. – Jules Renard

No other factor in history, not even religion, has produced so many wars as has the clash of national egotisms sanctified by the name of patriotism. – Preserved Smith

Naturally the common people don’t want war . . . Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism. – Hermann Goering.

That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I abhor . . . This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism–how passionately I hate them! – Albert Einstein

3. Patriotism and Religion:

Patriotism is a kind of religion; it is the egg from which wars are hatched. – Guy de Maupassant

God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed. – Luis Buñuel

To be patriotic, hate all nations but your own; to be religious, all sects but your own; to be moral, all pretenses but your own. – Lionel Strachey

When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism! – David Starr Jordan

4. The American Syndrome:

If you have a weak candidate and a weak platform, wrap yourself up in the American flag and talk about the Constitution. – Matt Quay

How much longer are we going to think it necessary to be “American” before (or in contradistinction to) being cultivated, being enlightened, being humane, & having the same intellectual discipline as other civilized countries? It is really too easy a disguise for our shortcomings to dress them up as a form of patriotism. – Edith Wharton

The 100 percent American is 99 percent an idiot. – George Bernard Shaw

Treason is in the air around us everywhere. It goes by the name of patriotism. – Thomas Corwin

5. Three relatively positive assessments of patriotism:

A patriot is somebody who protects his country from his government. Or better yet: who has the guts to protect his country from its government. – Piotyr Dirk

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. – Thomas Jefferson

Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger

Blind obedience to authority is the enemy of the truth. - Albert Einstein

That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I abhor . . . This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism–how passionately I hate them! – Albert Einstein
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:13 PM
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10. .
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:53 PM
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11. Check mate!
Wow, that's really something! I'm gonna save these quotes for future reference. Amazing compilation!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 07:33 PM
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15. +1
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:06 PM
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3. As I detest hypocrisy
Did you also believe it was beneath contempt when Democrats second guessed Bush during his terms?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:08 PM
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7. There was clear evidence for that...
It wasn't a "second guess" it was known fact.
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:10 PM
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8. It's all opinion
In Dems' opionion, Bush sucked as CINC, in Repubs' opinion, Obama sucks as CINC.

It's either traitorous to criticize a CINC in war time or it isn't. To state otherwise is, as I said, hypocrisy.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 07:29 PM
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12. Bullshit...
I was here... and there was clear evidence that Bush was lying his fucking ass off. Not the same at all.
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 07:32 PM
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13. Bullshit back at ya babe
If it's traitorous to criticize a CINC during a war, it's traitorous, period, regardless of party.


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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:06 PM
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4. As if Demint is a Veteran either
Fucking Chickenhawk Shiten-his-pants Coward
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:12 PM
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9. He wouldn't know patriotism even if we redefined it for him.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 07:32 PM
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14. Well, DeMent's utter, complete, and incredibly obvious hypocrisy is beneath contempt,
at any rate.
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