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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:47 AM Original message |
Charter School entrepreneur Eli Broad in 1996: "We have our cake..and are eating it, too." |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. K & R. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. Do you know where the profit goes? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They don't donate much if any to public schools, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. In Los Angeles, all you need do is drive around town... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. how swell.. dusting crumbs onto the floor, for the peons to fight over |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. He gives billions to education... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. So has Gates. But now both are using their money to enable |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Like I said before... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Teachers have been asking for decades for reform |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Pfft, teachers. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. If they did know as much... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. How? By not teaching? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. The statistics are better... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. How are teachers supposed to become billionaires? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Anybody who says charters are better |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Really? So when are you going to provide those stats. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. if they knew as much about education as billionaires they'd be billionaires? how's that? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Broad and Gates don't know shit about education |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Well, you just showed your IQ card... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. "Self-made"? LOL. Gates' mom's family associated with National City Bank (Citi) |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #72 |
115. They may be intelligent men, JuniperLea, but |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Ever known a billionaire? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Yes and oooh they are so dreeeeeeemy and smaaaaaaaart! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Graduated as accountant, married up, partnered with wife's cousin, got loan from |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. Can't take criticism from the "little people"? Maybe you should tell your boss to quit trying |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
78. Bullshit. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
114. JuniperLea |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No, he isn't. You need to read the Broad Report |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No, he is not really supporting public schools. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. LA is turning over 250 schools to private outside bidders. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What do you propose they do? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. All is working as planned. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Nail on the head. n/t |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Again I ask... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You are defending privatizing of education. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I see... you can't answer... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. It rather looks like you're the one not answering. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What is here is half the story... |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Why don't you do the research on Broad, who is rabidly anti-public school, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I worked for him for 8 years... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
90. To bribe them & direct what they do, duh. The schools he funds continuously = charters. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
117. I looked up Broad's contributions. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. If they were truly interested in helping public schools |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Broad does donate directly to PUBLIC schools... |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. Here's some edification for you... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
91. The "prize" is his only public school donation, & it goes to schools who implement his ideals. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
65. I propose they don't give public property to private parties, i,e, I propose they don't behave like |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
116. Money -- that's what will end the charter school movement. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. you need to look more carefully. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No I don't... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Uh, yes, you do. A simple visit to their website would show you what they fund, education-wise, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I worked for him for 8 years... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I see. You work for him. Maybe you should check out his frigging website. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Maybe you should actually check HIS site... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. now look behind the shiny surface & see the corruption. e.g. broward county, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. All I see is people not wanting to be accountable... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. pfft. The most definitive study to date = 17% of charters do better, 39% worse, & the rest the same |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. These Broad "fellows" are infesting districts all over the country |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Nonsense... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
119. I think that judging teachers by how their students perform on |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
66. The last thing public schools need |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
118. The idea of "merit pay" for teachers is absurd. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. I understand that you admire your boss. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
85. +1 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. All you have to do is look at their website & reports to see what they fund & IT ISN'T PUBLIC ED. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Gee... last I heard the Los Angeles School District WAS PUBLIC SCHOOLS! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
93. Did you look at the list of "current investments," or do you just want to spam your |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
122. Meaning no offense, but what does doing better mean? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. Competition in learning creates "winners" and "losers." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. +1 |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is so f**king horrific!!! Thanks for all the work you do to keep us informed on this.. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. + 1,000,000 |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. How true! |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. Eli Broad has his name all over chartible enterprises in LA. That's how they do it. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So now it's bad to give away billions to worthy causes? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. You have to assume destroying public education is a worthy cause. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. +1 |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. There's nothing left to destroy... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
94. BULLSHIT. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
52. Expecting accountability isn't destroying public education... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
95. The agenda of folks like Broad has *nothing* to do with "accountability". |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Charters have no school board that is accountable to voters, i.e., the public. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
33. Expecting a return on philanthropy is NOT philanthropy: it's theft. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. The returns go into the pot... |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Not theft but bribery |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. How is it against PUBLIC education to donate MILLIONS to PUBLIC Schools? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I don't believe schools should be run like businesses |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. What is wrong with accountability? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I'll give you a prime example. My father taught in the public school system for over 35 years |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. One history test, one student, one school... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. It's no secret that Eli Broad and his philanthrocapitalists pals |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. They want teachers to make the same as daycare teachers |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
108. I had a friend who taught at a charter school briefly |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Reforms are needed in public ed, but not in the way the privatizers envision |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Not to mention school boards |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I was going to mention school boards in my post |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I agree with you. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
105. Well, for starters |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 05:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
120. Historically, public schools are about community. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. It's time to draw a line in the sand on this |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. It's really all about class, not classrooms |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. What's wrong with accountability? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. LOL It's the 'teachers hate accountability' meme |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Future income streams is why. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. Please keep finding and publishing this information |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Want to see how Broad supports PUBLIC schools? |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. Have I expressed how much I appreciate you recently? |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. k and r |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. The Broad Residency. Control school districts by leadership programs.. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Every Broad person has been a disaster |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
99. They're being seeded into districts around the country, & it's a classic |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I think some admins in our district are getting this training |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
101. Education "industry." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Let's make public safety an industry |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
82. Here are the folks on the Board of Broad Center for the Management of School Systems. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
84. More |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
88. K&R |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
104. No matter how visibly failed or demonstrably repudiated |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Well put! The billionaires are tinkering. That's pretty much it. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Unfortunately, you have people right here on this board |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. Good rant, I agree. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 06:00 AM Response to Reply #104 |
121. Eli Broad is not what I would call a Democrat. |
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