Woman maimed by suitor. Assailants sentened to same maiming

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/pakistan.maim/index.html
Police so far have arrested three of her five assailants. Two have already been tried and convicted.

Their sentence: to be subjected to the same mutilation as Fazeelat. They are also to serve life in prison and pay a fine equivalent to $8,300.

This unusual sentence is in accordance with the Pakistani Penal Code, a blend of British and Islamic laws. Connect the World: Does revenge punishment work?

Prosecutor Chaudhry Jahangir explained that the mutilation sentence needs to be confirmed by the High Court. "I have no doubt in my mind. I think they are guilty," he said. "They committed the offense and they are rightly punished."

[snagglepuss]

1. I hope someone in Pakistan comes forward to pay for reconstructive surgery.

But the poor kid will never get over the emotional scars.

[FirstLight]

2. bastards!

This is the 12th century thinking that is rampant in the middle east, i wonder if we will ever see peace in those regions of the world where people treat eachother in such horrific ways.

I am saddened by this poor girl's story, but you know it isn't the first of it's kind...many women are beaten, killed or worse by their own fathers, brothers or husbands...women are chattel in these countries.
so very awful and sad...ugh.

I can't save the world, but I DO wish that this girl gets enough publicity that a 90210 dr. would come and fix her nose, even just to give her back her own confidence...

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. That poor, poor woman!

[electropop]

4. Use this on them:

[Cleita]

5. An eye for an eye.

It's very biblical but somehow I agree.

[SCantiGOP]

6. Cleita............

are you serious? You would repeal the ban on cruel and unusual punishment from our constitution? Put the bastards in prison for life, consfiscate their property to pay for her reconstruction, but don't forget what Ghandi said: An eye for an eye and very soon everyone is blind.

[Cleita]

7. Your Constitution. Are you Pakistani?

You are right, but still it seems like small justice.

[Mixopterus]

10. Maybe

They feel that there are higher standards for behavior than what a nation sets. You do realize that the most severe excesses documented by mankind were almost always legal in the confines of their nation, yes?

[Cleita]

15. Yes, I do and I shouldn't be feeling vindictive, but I would be

dishonest in saying that I think it's all right for this young woman to have her life ruined, and not to feel that an eye for an eye might be okay in this instance. I would like to make sure that the actual torturers are definitely identified without a question of a doubt before any retaliative action takes place. I'll make a bet, it's probably only one that is guilty. I'm sorry I can't be Ghandi this time although I agree he's right in higher planes of thought. I just can't be dishonest about my feelings about this.

[seabeyond]

19. it is dishonest to suggest anyone would say it is "all right for this young womans

to have her life ruined".

where in the world do you get the idea that anyone on this board is not terribly disgusted with what happened to this young woman, let alone, that it is "all right".

[Cleita]

22. You said they must turn the other cheek.

My reasoning, if you will allow me, is that women have been victimized by bigger and stronger men for about 4,000 years now. Men have owned most of the wealth and have had women contribute to that wealth by working for them for free in a domestic capacity known as marriage. Most of the time the arrangement is agreeable. However, if a young girl is so viciously attacked by the men, it seems we must turn the other cheek. I say why? Let's change this scenario a little bit and instead of the men, what if a bear attacked that girl and ripped her face off. You can be sure that bear would be hunted down and tormented in the most vicious way before it died. So why is it different when the bears are human?

[seabeyond]

25. you quoted the bible. JESUS said turn the other cheek. not me.

i was quoting the bible back. i cannot stand people pulling pieces of the bible out to work for them. when part of it is left out that doesn't work for them

eye for an eye was addressed by jesus in sermon on the mount. turn the other cheek.

i believe a person should own what they did and accept repercussions. i do not think it should be like to like. rape to rape. murder to murder. cut off hand of a thief.

jail for life works for me. they lost their right to live among decent people.

[Cleita]

30. The eye for an eye doctrine is originally from the Code of Hammurabi.

The Sermon on the Mount, although we all love it, didn't come from whoever the historical Jesus but was written a century later by someone with the poetic ideas to do it. Women are so brutalized through the world because the men who do it get away with it. It's time for them to do the same suffering. I'm sorry. I have to be honest about it. I can't feel any differently about it and you can hate me and be disgusted by it, but that's where it is with me. I actually have more sympathy for the bear but not these humans.

[seabeyond]

32. not a matter of me hating or disgusted, though i am by the act.

one of my first posts i stated, i understand revenge. i dont believe in it.

i do understand where you are coming from. i dont chose to be a part of it though.

no judgment. different of opinion.

BUT

thanks for the civil discourse. it is appreciated, even in disagreement.

[seabeyond]

13. vengence is mine sayth the lord.... and jesus says, you may hear eye for eye, but turn the other

cheek. sermon on the mount.

[Cleita]

16. That would be for the victim to do, not us.n/t

[seabeyond]

17. you quoted the bible with eye for an eye..... i was just finishing it for you. nt

[Cleita]

28. I wasn't quoting the bible. I was just mentioning the biblical

reference to it which is actually originally chiseled in stone in the Code of Hammurabi long before the Bible was written down.

[seabeyond]

31. this is what you believe in. it is about the family having revenge and could go beyond the crime

so

steal a loaf of bread, ..... death, if a family choses?

[Cleita]

34. Family isn't choosing here. It's a judge that is deciding this. n/t

[seabeyond]

35. *sigh*

i say bible, you say Code of Hammurabi. by that code it states that the family chooses punishment and can be greater than crime.

my only point was, if it is the bible to back vengence, doesnt work cause the quote wasnt finished and sermon on mount.

if it is embracing of the rightness of Code of Hammurabi ... then this is aprt of the belief in that

yes the judge decided by Code of Hammurabi, and it is their country to do as they choose.

and i disagree. i think it is barbaric. i think it is being the animal that they are, and i dont play that game.

[JoeyT]

36. If it makes you feel any better

I'm not sure what's going to happen to them now is actually worse than life imprisonment in prison in Pakistan.

I dunno, my way of handling it, were I in charge would be to sentence 'em to manual labor with their earnings going to pay for plastic surgery and therapy. To be ended when the victim was whole again. (Which would either be life or a really long time.)

[spoony]

39. Actually I've heard that 'eye for an eye' was to limit the retribution.

So, they'd steal something equal to a loaf of bread back. In any case, it's not something I'm for at all so I'll butt out now.

[pleah]

8. All punishment is revenge, we just call it justice here.

I hope she can be help by plastic surgery.

[Mixopterus]

9. Eh

In the most simple sense revenge is moral gratification to make an individual or a group feel better, and justice is a equalization of a wrong to re-establish equilibrium in society within the confines of national and international standards. So, no, on a fundamental level revenge and justice are worlds apart.

[pleah]

12. Hmmm. Maybe in your mind they are worlds apart.

They are not worlds apart and the gratification of to make an individual or group feel better IS what most people get out of so called justice. So, no they are not worlds apart. When you see mobs screaming for justice and saying "he got what he deserved" tell me that they are not getting some sort of gratification.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[seabeyond]

14. wrong. i dont agree at all. there can be punishment and it is nothing to do with

revenge.

[Cleita]

18. So what would you suggest that doesn't involve cutting off their noses

and other physical mutilation. You seem to be against that physical maiming, but not against other types of punishment. What is just to you?

[seabeyond]

20. prison for life works for me. they lost their privilige to be amongst civilized humans. nt

[Cleita]

24. That would keep them safe from any relatives of the girl looking for

revenge.

[seabeyond]

27. i dont believe in revenge. i understand it. i have never been a participant of it.

i dont want to become the animal that they are.

[Cleita]

33. Thank god, I never had to do revenge either and I have had people do

some shitty things to me, but they didn't mutilate me or ruin my life just because I didn't want to be part of their lives. But there comes a time when this kind of bullying has to be made to come to a stop, because that is what it is, bullying taken to terrifying extremes.

[Prometheus Bound]

29. Actually, it is a deterrent and a way to prevent the assailants from repeating their cruelty.

[Statistical]

21. Why not make the attackers pay (a lifetime of payments if necessary) for reconstructive srugery.

[Cleita]

23. Since they probably earn about $100 a year each, I don't think that's a

solution. Reconstructive surgery is not a panacea for the life long trauma and pain. Reconstructive surgery doesn't end the pain. Doesn't anyone get it?

[Number23]

26. Oh God. This is horrible. Oh that poor woman and her family. Her mother!

[aikoaiko]

37. The punishment sounds just.

I hope the fine money goes to the victim for reconstructive surgery.

[Vidar]

38. The punishment is appropriate.