Like many here, I am "torn" by the news about Rush's chest pains.

[johnaries]

First, let me explain that I don't believe in "Evil" as such, but I do believe that people perform "evil" deeds. It's a very nuanced position that would take a lot of explaining and a lot of justification, but just suffice it to say that "it works for me."

On the one hand, Rush has performed a lot of "evil" deeds - he has purposely twisted the truth and misled people for his own, selfish gains. I honestly believe the world, and certainly America, would have been better off without his lies and vitriol.

On the other hand, he is a human being. Not much of one, granted - and one who seems to delight in the misery of other human beings.... but he is still human (more or less).

That is only the beginning of my personal musings. In my mind, I have even compared him to a "cancer" that should be cut out or even like the anal boil that kept him from serving.

But he is a human being, and I don't want to lower myself to his despicable level of wishing another human harm - no matter how justified.

But, I have come up with a wish, prayer, vibe, etc that I can live with.

I hope that Rush survives, but has a NDE that shows him the error of his ways so that he can retract his former lies and make amends for them.

I don't really see that happening, it it makes me feel better wishing for it.

[hlthe2b]

1. I can't honestly say the world would not have been better off

if he'd never been born. But, he was. So, like you, I can only hope he has some "survival epiphany" and tries to do some good with the rest of his life.

[left coaster]

7. Pathological narcissists like Rush..

..don't ever change, so I wouldn't expect a better person to come out of this..

[hlthe2b]

10. nor I....

but I suppose hope springs eternal...

[johnaries]

26. Yep. But even if he returns to his evil deeds - I will feel better about

myself.

I define myself. I refuse to let him define me or my feelings.

[knowbody0]

2. without darkness there would be no light

[johnaries]

8. True! But I don't know how many others here will understand

what you are saying.

Darkness and Light are man-made perceptions. They have no relevance except to each other - and that only because of the perception of the observer.

Neither have any meaning without the other. They complete each other.

[paulsby]

37. so what?

so are concepts such as "mammal" "reptile" "bright" and pretty much EVERYTHING we perceive.

iow, this is sophistry at its finest.

all our perceptions are man-made. because we are human beings. unless one believes some perceptions are "god given or inspired" or some such.

[depakid]

3. I don't care about that lying buffon in the slightest

He could live- or die- or suffer- or play golf and sip martinis.

Don't pay him the slightest bit of mind.

[BrklynLiberal]

5. Exactly...my first thought "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

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[rwheeler31]

4. Atwater did it I have little hope Rush will , but like you I wish death

on no one.

[TK421]

6. We can make jokes about this, but I doubt many here seriously wish death on him

I don't

[johnaries]

11. But it is fun to joke about, isn't it? This is just comic gold

and I'll admit no one deserves the comedy more!

I'm gonna to make lots of jokes about it! But I'm not going to lose "myself" in the process. I'm not going to lower myself to his level in the process.

[TK421]

20. Well, I suppose that is admirable n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

17. Speak for yourself.

The reduction in CO2 emissions alone will be worth it.

[TK421]

19. heh...see? you made a funny, and I have no problem with that

[Nikki Stone1]

27. You clearly haven't seen my thread.

.

[TK421]

30. Probably not..there are so many up there now, I'll look n/t

[johnaries]

28. See how he is controlling you? Even though you hate him

he is controlling those thoughts of hate.

Like it or not, he is defining you and your feelings - at least for him.

Take back control of yourself and your feelings.

[Nikki Stone1]

33. He's not controlling anything.

But DU is being controlled by a fear of what others will think. I can understand that: not good for the image of the site.

[murdoch]

9. What would Tom Coburn do?

He would probably tell Americans to pray that Rush's show never gets back on the air.

Then he would act shocked that people accuse him of wanting Rush's health to fail.

As for myself, compared to new teabaggers coming up like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh looks like a genius. Rush looks like a warm humanitarian - compared to Ann Coulter. He seems like a jolly, happy person - compared to Michelle Malkin. He seems like a friend to all people, races and creeds - compared to Michael Savage. See, I can say nice things about Limbaugh.

[johnaries]

16. Hey, you should write his eulogy!

*stop it, brain! stop wishing he were dead!*

Still, I think it is better if we prove all of these asshol... I mean "people" wrong, rather than attack them personally. Regardless of how much they make themselves such easy targets of ridicule.

Why do people believe such bullshit? That's what we have to figure out.

[blues90]

12. I believe in Karma .

I don't believe in heaven or hell. Once I go I will be like before I was born.

So this is to say if anyone knows it and goes out of their way to make life hard for anyone for whatever reason they should find themselves living it what they brought on others.

If one treats people fair and with respect no matter who they are then they have all the fair treatment they offer others.

[johnaries]

22. Are you familiar with John Lennon's song "Instant Kharma"?

I read an interview with him once in which he stated that he wrote the song because so many people mis-interpreted the meaning of "Kharma". Which I agree, too many people try to interpret it within the context of "judgement" or "cause and effect". When actually this world is just a "classroom" and no one is "punished" or "rewarded" for past deeds. It's all just part of the lesson.

For instance:

Let's say that someone is a cruel and vicious slave-owner in one life. Then in the next life he is a slave to a cruel and vicious slave-owner.

Some people would claim that his "Kharma" is that he is being punished for his past life.

In fact, Kharma simply wants him to experience both sides. He could have been the slave first, and then the slave-ower. Kharma doesn't care, as long as he experiences BOTH sides. It is not judgement or punishment. It is learning a lesson.

This is important because many "fortunates" have tried to use Kharma to justify their own cruelty or self-centeredness. "Ha-ha! You're poor because you were bad in a previous life, and I'm rich because I was good in a previous life!"

No. No matter how you were born, you have a lesson to learn. So PAY ATTENTION!

[aquart]

13. It's not like there will be a vacuum of rightwing lies if he dies.

So I don't really care. I have no problem if he suffers, however.

My father, upon being similarly rushed to the hospital, beckoned me to come closer. When I did, he whispered vehemently, "Don't ever have a heart attack. It hurts!"

[johnaries]

29. LOL! Kudos to your dad for a sense of humor! nt

[pscot]

14. M reaction is much simpler

I HOPE THE BASTARD DIES.

[rwheeler31]

35. That is horrible. Think

[liberal_at_heart]

18. Thank you for your thoughtful response

I am going to take a break from the board. Just too much anger and hatred. I hope everyone has a good night. We will have a big beautiful blue moon on New Year's.

[emilyg]

21. Happy New Year.

[johnaries]

25. Happy New Year!

And I honestly mean that, for all of us! Enjoy the moon!

:hi:

[debbierlus]

23. Oh please. He is a horrible human being and it will be a net gain for humanity

When he takes a dirt nap...

Miserable, hateful, lying, scumbag. Inciting rage and hate in the minds of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.

Wishing people ill - I don't go around wishing horrible things on people, but when they happen to the worst of us, I am not going to pretend I wish them better then they deserve.

Some people make the world a worse place...

[johnaries]

24. And torture is justified, right?

We're better than them. At least, I hope we are.

[debbierlus]

34. There is a huge difference

Between advocating for torture and supporting politicians who would institute such practices and thinking that the death of Rush Limbaugh is a good thing for society.

I would fight for even the likes of him to have a fair trial. I would never advocate violence against him or anyone else. (Which is more then I can say about how he would talk about me - I am a 'liberal' with a capital L).

I am not advocating to DO anything against him. I just am not going to pretend that it is any loss or terrible thing that he might die. I think the country will be better off without his hate filled speech polluting the air. And, frankly, I bet most others here agree, no matter how much they will try to say 'oh no, we have to be respectful'.

Of what?

Someone spews hate and intolerance and promotes violence and we can't think that there demise from the world is a good thing?

Sorry, I am not a saint. I am responsible for my actions, but my feelings are pretty much the norm.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. This thread describes pretty much how I feel

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7362425&mesg_id=7362425

My opposition to the death penalty is rooted in an issue of justice versus vengeance issue. In that same vein I don't wish death upon anybody because I see it as wishing for vengeance. What I do wish for is justice, and Rush owing his life to somebody who embodies everything that he hates would be a step in the right direction for justice.

[alarimer]

32. Why should we say nice things about someone so despicable ever?

It is the height of hypocrisy to say nice things about someone we despise. Rush Limbaugh deserves every ounce of pain and suffering coming his way and I hope there is a lot of it. I also hope that his medical bills bankrupt him (although not much chance of that I suppose) or that his insurance company (if he even has one) denies his claim.

There is not an ounce of anything good in this man. And I will be very happy when he is dead and I hope it is soon.

[rwheeler31]

36. No he is a person and all people need respect.

Granted he is nasty and vile and corrupt,but he is a person.